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Marie wrote: "You know what weirds me out though? [spoilers removed]"Maybe a Malachai ancestor hooked up with a sea goddess or sea demon (or monster) maybe?
I was surprised when I read that too. I was like: oh? He can do this apparently?
I guess he was just down there looking for underwater allies to go up against Azura (since she rules water and all). But still I can't get the image of Adarian basically gathering up is power kinda like Aang when he went in his first Avatar state in Avatar: The Last Airbender and he's just down there all chill.
Careful. Spoiler tags
Marie wrote: "Bren wrote: ...About Will: [spoilers removed]"
Yeah I was thinking about that as a theory too! They both are Simeon Mages (still not sure exactly what that means though). Is it ever really explained? It just means that they're wizards right?
Not many people even visit the Goodreads group anymore so I think it's fine to talk without spoiler warnings. Especially since "spoiler" is in the very title of this thread.
Well in the past Charlotte would announce when we could start talking about it without spoiler tags
She usually took it down after the first week or two. Which I think it has been. Only 4 people usually come on here anyways for real.
Malachaibubble12 wrote: "Marie wrote: "You know what I am maybe, mildly disappointed by? I kinda of thought [spoilers removed]"(view spoiler)
Bren wrote: "Malachaibubble12 wrote: "Marie ..."I guess that's possible too. I don't know what to think about the Arelim. On the one hand, they seem to be trying to end the world swiftly so the future apocalypse headed by Cyprian doesn't happen. On the other hand, they also seem to be allying themselves with Cyprian to mess with Nick. I just don't know what their deal is anymore
Marie wrote: "I guess that's possible too. I don't know what to think about the Arelim. On the one hand, they seem to be trying to end the world swiftly so the future apocalypse headed by Cyprian doesn't happen...."Same, they're a very strange breed. I don't remember where I read that the Arelim have their own realm to live in because they're so easily corruptible. Which explains how half of them ended up on Cyprian's side.
Bren wrote: "Marie wrote: "I guess that's possible too. I don't know what to think about the Arelim. On the one hand, they seem to be trying to end the world swiftly so the future apocalypse headed by Cyprian d..."It was in Illusion when Kody visited the realm and noticed that they were now divided and Suriyel and Adidiron told her why.
Seems like first they were trying to kill Nick and every Malachai ever, but when Kody rebelled they fought amongst themselves and as a result one side allied itself with Nick's enemies... I think. But it's hard to tell anymore. They messed with Kody's memories so it's hard to rely on her POV
So back to my earlier question: are the Simeon Mages just wizards? Cuz when they were talking about the rings they mentioned wizards and i'm not sure if a Simeon Mage was ever properly explained or not?
Either they weren't or I missed it. But they're apparently so powerful it's no surprise to anyone in Death Doesn't Bargain that both Bart and Will are Devyl's highest ranking deadmen on his crew
I couldn't find any explanation as to what they are. So maybe wizards?
Malachaibubble12 wrote: "Marie wrote: "Bren wrote: ...About Will: [spoilers removed]"
Yeah I was thinking about that as a theory too! They both are Simeon Mages (still not sure exactly what that means though). Is it eve..."
First of all, my apologies for not being on the site very much this week (beyond reading y'all's posts), as I have been extremely busy at work. I had intended to post a lift on the spoiler warning earlier this week, but as I just mentioned, I got caught up with work.
However ... I am requesting that in the future, you DO NOT DECIDE FOR ME, when to lift the tag warning. Please and thank you.
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That said, I will simply say that I finished the book last week, and enjoyed it tremendously.
Oh ... and yes, you may continue without spoiler tags.
I see that Nick's father has reared his ugly head...
Actually, not so much. Kinda disappointing
Neona wrote: "I see that Nick's father has reared his ugly head..."I really wish he had.
We really need Adarian to actually interact with the main characters in this next book. I wanna see what makes the Malachai go back into hiding after he thought he was all ready for a coup de tat!
Malachaibubble12 wrote: "We really need Adarian to actually interact with the main characters in this next book. I wanna see what makes the Malachai go back into hiding after he thought he was all ready for a coup de tat!"Saame. I need to know what happened, how did they defeat (?) him and sent him back into hidding in human jails.
Also, if Caleb doesn't show up in the next book I'm rioting.
It would be a nice twist if the reason he's chasing them everywhere right now is actually because he wants them to help him close the gates that accidentally crashed open so he doesn't have to deal with all the riff-raff that escaped with him. Like, he doesn't want to deal with annoying demons invading the world he's claimed for himself. But he's also seizing his chance to kill the gods right now because if he ends it now he won't have to continue with the awful life he's led and he can finally be free.
I mean, he can see the future to a certain degree right? What if he knows that, if he fails to end them now, the gods (specifically, Cam) will set him up so he'll hurt Cherise (which he doesn't want) and have an heir (which he really doesn't want) that will be partially raised by the gods he hates (Aunt Mennie). I mean, Mennie meddled with Fate when she did that and she did it because Adarian had grown powerful enough to be a real threat to the Primals. So maybe he wants to kill the Primals while he can because he knows they can't afford to ignore him anymore and sooner or later, they'll come for him. And if he can see his future, he knows what that entails and possibly wants to spare Cherise the pain.
I think I'm just romanticising his character right now, but it would be really interesting to see some more how much Cherise changed him. Since that's not gonna happen in CON or DH, I'm relying on Deadmen Walking and Adarian's ability to see his own future.
Marie wrote: "It would be a nice twist if the reason he's chasing them everywhere right now is actually because he wants them to help him close the gates that accidentally crashed open so he doesn't have to deal..."I always thought that him meeting Cherise was a super surprise to him and him having Nick was unexpected. Like when Adarian flashbacks to when he met Cherise and pretended to be a student at her school he didn't seem to know what was gonna happen. Also, he was genuinely surprised to find out that Nick was alive as a toddler when Cherise brought a 2 year-old Nick to meet his father. Adarian's thoughts pointed out that he thought his kid was dead cuz he assumed it would be because he thought that Cherise was human. So he assumed his child wouldn't get very far at all in life since he was half-human.
Plus, maybe Cam and them found a way to block his future from him so as to keep Cherise as a ultimate surprise and not an avoidable factor that Adarian can just not meet if he went to a different city.
But if the future is always in flux, and Mennie messed with Fate in engineering Nick's birth, then maybe Adarian sees the possibility of those events and that's enough to motivate his actions in Deadmen-time. Plus, from Mennie's own account of those events, Adarian would not be able to resist the lure of Cherise. That's what made it such a good trap. So just because he knows what can come from hanging around Cherise like he did after he met her, since the future is always in flux and he can't resist her anyway, he might have talked himself into thinking that he could stay near her without hurting her.
Likewise, I'm pretty sure someone messed with fate again to save Nick as a kid. And in CON, Adarian also says he named Nick at birth (his true demon summoning name) and so he had to have know about him. But if "the future is in flux", then Adarian could have reasonably assumed his son would die young..since it was still a possible outcome.
But Adarian said that he named Nick Aloysius when he first met him. The first time he met him being when Cherise visited him in prison with Nick in her lap.
Aaah my mistake. In Illusion, Ambrose says "the thought that they could have had a child together that would survive past its infancy had never dawned on him. He’d assumed the infant she’d carried was long dead and buried". Even though he didn't know Nick would survive so long, he DID know Cherise was pregnant and would have given birth to their child. He didn't expect it to survive, but he was aware she had a baby, so I thought he'd named him Aloysius when Nick was still a baby. I forgot he said he'd named him when they met.
Neona wrote: "about Thorn [spoilers removed]"Bren wrote: "You know what bothers me? That there wasn't any info on Thorn's wife. I honestly just bought the book so I could find out who it was, and they're apparently going to leave us hanging until next boo..."
In The DH book Son of No One (Hellchasers, #6; Dark-Hunter, #24, Lords of Avalon #3, Were-Hunter #8) which came out in 2014
they talk about Thorn's Son (Cadegan) and the woman (it actually tells you who they are) that birthed him, in the first book (Deadmen Walking) he says or thinks they are the only 2 he had ever loved. when someone brings them up i think its his dad. Thorn threatens that person to never mention them again. If Sherrilyn Kenyon Gives thorn his own book he'll either be reunited with her or find someone who truly loves him completely faults and all. and she didn't, was horrified by what he truly was.
Oh, I know about Brigid, but as far as we know she's still a frozen as a statue somewhere and the last time we saw her and Thorn together they didn't seem to be on the best of terms, so I don't think she's the wife he was referring to.
She's a statue? Why???
I have a question. is Brigid Aeron's sister or is she some human lady? I always forget.
She's a goddess and Aeron's sister
Marie wrote: "She's a goddess and Aeron's sister"Thanks. ;)
Marie wrote: "She's a statue? Why???"Yep
Thorn turned back toward Cadegan. “I don’t understand. If they can’t drain your powers, what happened to your mother when she came here? I always assumed she became a midling.”
Cadegan rolled his eyes. “Morgen turned her to stone. She still lives … as a permeant resident in Morgen’s garden of people who pissed her off.”
I wonder if she'll come back at some point
Marie wrote: "I wonder if she'll come back at some point"I guess, there must be a reason why she's been kept as a statue instead of just being killed off.
Normally, I'd agree, but with these books? Remember when War was unleashed by Stryker and attacked Nick? There was a brief moment of him becoming enraged when thinking about an ex. That moment seemed significant in such an insignificant character (he was defeated quickly after) but nothing ever came of it. I thought War would come back or his ex would be revealed and their history would play a role but...nope! So for some characters to be statues and not simply dead? I wouldn't read too much into it
So we learned of another Cthonian in Death doesn't bargain Scathach who happens to watch over Europe and should still be alive in Nick's time since Cthonians are very difficult o kill meaning there are 10 living Cthonians.
On the Chthonian page on the website, I think there is a list of Chthonians that are still alive. Is she on it? because if not, I don't think she's still around in Nick's time
Though, interestingly, Scáthach's residence is referred to as "Fortress of Shadows" in Irish mythology. Hey, isn't it odd that Bathymaas is the "significant other" of Chthonians on the race's profile page?
Marie wrote: "Though, interestingly, Scáthach's residence is referred to as "Fortress of Shadows" in Irish mythology. Hey, isn't it odd that Bathymaas is the "significant other" of Chthonians on the race's pro..."
I think it's just a joke reference to how Styxx is one of the last cthonians and he's married to Bathymaas/Bethany.
I wonder who Scáthach's daughters are. The IRL version of her had one daughter, but the DH version is a Chthonian with two adopted daughters. I wonder if they're still around
What a fantastic read so far!!!!
Bren wrote: "Marie wrote: "She's a statue? Why???"Yep
Thorn turned back toward Cadegan. “I don’t understand. If they can’t drain your powers, what happened to your mother when she came here? I always assume..."
Wait! What?? This is in Death Doesn't Bargain? There has been a heated discussion between friends about Thorn and this info changes everything!
Where is it please!
I'm pretty sure it's in Son of No One.
deleted user wrote: "about Thorn [spoilers removed]"In the very back of Son of No One there is a bonus scene where it plainly describes Brigid as the one that Thorn loved. Reading that as well as what has become of Brigid I wonder how anyone can still believe Karma is in the running as anything but a friend.
Cadegan is 1/4 with Thorn as his father. Knowing now some of the background of the Devereaux clan ET would have to be showing some demonic tendencies by now I would think.
*me, pouring gasoline on the fire to feed the debate*: Check Sherry's website to see who the hero and heroine of Hex Life is!
Lol yeah, but it's a short story so I don't think Misery is his actual mate. I feel like ADD answers the question about who his wife is.
About Will: (view spoiler)[ The ring used against Kalder was a Simeon Mage's ring. Thorn is assuming that they missed one or more when they destroyed the other rings like it, but what if Will had one and that's how Vine is using Will against the crew? Will and Bart are Simeon Mages, right? (hide spoiler)]