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High Voltage Spoiler Thread
Denisa wrote: "SHOOKITHA JONES wrote: "So I guess I should just let you guys know, Karen and her fans have been personally attacking people over critical reviews. Yes, even Karen herself. If you look into the fac..."Denisa, I agree with everything you said.
I was in tears when I finished HV- because I was so sad and let down. That does not make me a hater, nor am I obligated to love anything. Things are out of control in the Facebook group
Thanks you guys so much for your kind words! I was honestly nervous even just posting in this thread. Aww Denisa reading that my balls to the wall Dani stanning made you see her differently is like balm to my hurt fangirl soul right now lmao so thank you!!
I've spent the past few years on here coming up with theories with you guys, counting down the days, posting news, making edits (which Karen even posted)- all of that. I'm just honestly kind of heartbroken and angry that this is how I've been treated by the author herself. Like fans can say whatever they want, that's what they do but when the author eggs them on instead of being a professional about it and telling people to knock it off-that's when it's too far. Like this is just a book!! it's not that serious. I don't see JKR or GRRM behaving this way.
I just wanted to give you guys heads up as well if you see people harassing you over a review that's less than 5 stars.
I’ve read some of those comments in the FB group as well and those people are ridiculous. I hate when fans of authors think that no one can have a negative opinion on a book or you’re not a real fan. Nobody is perfect and KMM’s last few books have been nowhere near as great as they make it. They’re encouraging people to come to GR and either give negative reviews a thumbs down or to post five star ratings to boost the book. 🙄
Shookitha Jones, dear heart don’t worry about the peeps comments. You need to remember that all of us will experience the books with our own emotions and Yes ,you were disappointed,.Yes ,Ryodan is not the same beast that we came to love🤪in the previous books.This is all fine ! What matters to me is that you are fine and your opinion are RESPECTED.You are a STARDUST girl just like me and not a Macbook and that is 100% fecking Fine!! but this will always cause trouble as we don’t go with the flow. Rice up and stay in the stars
I just saw on FB group KMM wrote this about 11 hours ago. " I've been so sick this week, fever and bad head cold since returning from Dublin and spent most of the afternoon sleeping, resting up for the signing tomorrow. I missed a lot of these posts, the feed moves so fast. As Vicki Michelle Robinson said, please focus on positivity and don't single out any reviewer or review. That's not something that's healthy or constructive and it perpetuates an unpleasant cycle. I know you guys mean well and I realize the comments you were seeing at GR yesterday (which are no longer up) as well as what was posted here in this group a few nights ago was disturbing but the best way to approach it is to write your own thoughts about the book you read. Please don't bash. It's not who you guys are. "
Thank you so much for your words of support everyone! I said this previously to someone trying to stick up for me in my review's comment section.I'm honestly a little embarrassed by the weird erratic bully behavior of these 40-year-old fangirls, the only people this is reflecting badly upon is themselves and KMM. Their immature and unprofessional attitude and their inability to take criticism without personally attacking the disappointed fans who write honest reviews about why they didn't like the book speaks volumes about them. Contrary to what these fangirls seem to think I am not some hater with an agenda, I really genuinely wanted to love this book and no one is more disappointed that I didn't end up loving the book than me myself. As far as I know not liking a book is not a crime.
If they can't handle seeing diverse and opposing viewpoints on a website encouraging such discussion then maybe they should just go back into their fangirl echo chamber.
Not to mention kmm herself has tried over the past three days to imply that we supposed 'haters' are literally making fake sockpuppet accounts to like our own reviews lmao! The idea that people may simply just agree with what we have to say doesn't seem to be an acceptable thought for these out of control fangirls.
Not only that but she has openly tried to sully our reputation as long-term fans of the series completely dismissing our reviews as simply whining cries from hater trolls. You guys have seen me and shookitha on these fan forums for years and if nothing else I thought it was obvious our love for Dani was very real. I'm honestly feeling hurt by the fact that we are literally getting crucified for writing an honest book review lol. I don't think I'll ever be able to look at this author and her followers the same way again.
Inanda wrote: "Shookitha Jones, dear heart don’t worry about the peeps comments. You need to remember that all of us will experience the books with our own emotions and Yes ,you were disappointed,.Yes ,Ryodan is ..."That is beautiful! I agree!
@fresiako i know girl ): and honestly where are those evil reviews? I kept Track and didn't see anything. Just a Lot of people ugly crying their sadness )): sigh.
Inanda wrote: "Shookitha Jones, dear heart don’t worry about the peeps comments. You need to remember that all of us will experience the books with our own emotions and Yes ,you were disappointed,.Yes ,Ryodan is ..."aww Inanda thank you, you made me smile. Yes I saw that as well Sbcurious and I'm glad she said that. But that doesn't change the fact she's been egging them on with her very own comments for three solid days, sending her most obedient fans on witch hunts. It's not as if she simply missed all those hate filled comments, she was engaging in them, stoking the flames. So as far as I'm concerned the damage is done. I won't be supporting this author anymore.
I'm really sorry about what happened to you! I read your review and I liked it. When you didn't like something you explained why in details and there wasn't anything mean about it. You and the others girls here made me want to join the forum because for once I could talk with people who love Dani. I have been following your posts here as well for years, and I know (we all know) that you love our girl like crazy. They might not like what you wrote but I love reading your thoughts on the series.
I hope they left you alone even if the damage is done. I read the comments on the group too and you have a right to not like it.
SHOOKITHA JONES wrote: "Inanda wrote: "Shookitha Jones, dear heart don’t worry about the peeps comments. You need to remember that all of us will experience the books with our own emotions and Yes ,you were disappointed,...."Oh I know it. I know personally how she and her mods can be. I was banned on her page from posting several years ago when I had the nerve to ask if the forum was coming back. Others expressed their disappointment on how it was taken down like it was and bammo.
Ladies,this is what happens with all the book releases it’s one of the main reasons I don’t get to involve with the groups anymore.I am a horrible reviewer I struggle to get my thoughts out with out confusing everyone 😂😂 for that reason I keep it sweet and short.When Feversong was released I only wrote one word “Disaster” 😂 I was never a Dancer fan and though the hole V-card thing was sorted by Dancer... then Dancer was sorted by the heart disorder! Ryodan changed in Feversong and I was very,very disappointed.
But I am I living breathing human being and my heart was sore but my Brain was shouting Dude it’s just a story and Shit I will rather live my life in technicolor because I only have one life too live before I move on to do other stuff surely I can not get that obsessive about fictional characters and ignore my own beautiful life.
Stay true to yourself!!
If you want to become a writer become one.
If you want to be a singer be a singer
It’s your life it’s your story you need to remember that.
Enough talking !
I’m out!!
🌺
Inanda wrote: "Ladies,this is what happens with all the book releases it’s one of the main reasons I don’t get to involve with the groups anymore.I am a horrible reviewer I struggle to get my thoughts out with ..."
lmao Inanda <3
Jade wrote: "I'm really sorry about what happened to you! I read your review and I liked it. When you didn't like something you explained why in details and there wasn't anything mean about it. You and the oth..."
Thank you Jade, I appreciate your kind words <3
@Sbcurious, I remember you telling us about that, that really sucks. I'm obviously not the first person to be burned by her/this fandom and I'm sure I will not be the last. around Burned fans were pretty vicious to reviewers as well. I wondered why the author never attempted to put a stop to that, I guess I know why now. I remember one review was even completely taken down for mentioning her defense of Phil Gigante. Who btw, is also banned from even having his name spoken in that group. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion on that.
lmao Inanda you're an absolute gem and an inspiration!! Words to live by ;P
I realize this is a book discussion and not Shookitha's Story Hour lmao so I'll leave you guys to it. I'll just say that I'm glad people are finally seeing what we've all seen all along in our girl. It may not have worked for me, I may have been disappointed but I'm glad Karen got the chance to write Dani's story, that reader's gave her the chance to see her story through. She's fought hard for it and has said it was a story from her heart and I'm happy at least for that. She should focus on the positive, there's a lot to be found instead of seeking out the bad that really, isn't even there.
Inanda wrote: But I am I living breathing human being and my heart was sore but my Brain was shouting Dude it’s just a storyIt is just a story, but in my mind it was the story that was going to turn the series around and bring back the magic! It was supposed to save the fever world lol
And Dani was so special to a lot of us. Throughout the first part of the fever series KMM taught us to appreciate the edgy, dangerous, and lethal types like Barrons and Ryodan that own up to and don't apologize for what they are. But in this book, who the hell knows why, KMM decides to make Ryodan a whiny little emo fuck, and she basically marries our girl to the unworthy piece of shit he has become! Like OMG! The story of Dani O'Malley needs to be an epic (like the literary genre) where she goes to battles and conquers and shapes the world. Not a fucking romance. I mean I love a romance as much as the next person, but let's face it, a romance is formulaic and basic. A romance is a fucking cage! What in the world was KMM thinking?
She wrote on her Facebook page that Dani's theme was Rise Up by Imagine Dragons :'(
And here I was praying for a Dani book whose theme was more along the lines of Codeine Dreaming.
Sad to hear about the stuff on FB. Not a FB user so out of the loop from that PoV.What are people's thoughts on the plot arc of the next book; in particular, the seemingly inevitable war with the Fae? I was thinking about it some more and, as much as I am hoping Ryo and Dani could be involved in kicking butt, it has occurred to me that this would be difficult on at least two fronts: firstly, Dani has already been told that as a young hunter she will not be able to do a genuine 50/50 split of her time until she is much older, so Y'rill would need to help her change back to give her 'free time' earthside. Secondly, we need to remember that the previous time there was a conflict between humans and the Fae (eg. the fight at the Abbey), the Hunter that flew Mac to the fray told her that it would not fight with them to save the Sidhe Seers, so I am thinking that even if Dani was able to turn herself human for a short amount of time to fight in the war, her Hunter peers may disapprove of her participation from the point of view that they are effectively 'neutrals' in the conflict. What do people think?
Denisa wrote: "Inanda wrote: But I am I living breathing human being and my heart was sore but my Brain was shouting Dude it’s just a storyIt is just a story, but in my mind it was the story that was going to t..."
Lol Denisa! haha I agree with your point of view.
I was hoping that HV would be like "Iced: The sequel". I was waiting for the epic twist in the Fever series that Dani would bring.
Oh, well.
Yea, it feels like Mac is coming back to save the world again to me too. She went through that whole "I'm depressed and I don't know who I am" thing from Burned to Feversong. So if she comes back her arc should be different. I'm curious to see how...I wonder if she has made any fairy allies. Maybe some fairy prince or princess does like her there but Mac has a hard time trusting them because of the V'lane/Cruce debacle and she has to learn to deal with that in order to be a good queen. Maybe she'll become some type of Unseelie Queen to Barron's Unseelie King by the end of it. My personal desire for the Dani storyline is for her to find a new group of people to hang out with that will help them against the war with the old gods. Preferably a group that doesn't like/trust the Nine and can give Dani another perspective of them. Like maybe she can learn what it's like to be on their bad side and what she thinks of that/Ryodan when he's mean to others. Preferably a group that allows the Nine to be dangerous and cool and complex once more.
I hate the Christian/Kat storylines so in my mind they continue being there in case info dumps are necessary.
Another thing I am wondering is if the Sidhe Seers will continue aligning with Ryodan and the Nine or if there's going to be drama there. With Mac being queen and with Barrons and Dani together with Ryodan now, these groups are practically in-laws, so probably no conflict there.
Does anyone ever remember him calling her stardust or her mom calling her that before this book? Maybe I just don't remember.
No. This book was the first time it ever came up. That's why it seemed so weird. It pulled me out of the story each time he called her that, and he did it a lot.
I'll wedge in here too guys, since I see I'm not the only one disappointed by the book ;-( The only time i recall stardust reference was in FS when Dani referred to herself as made of passion, fire and tea spoon of stardust...
It was weird when suddenly Ryo switched to that for sure! At first I thought - what's wrong with me for getting freaked each time it happened, instead of melting? But I find comfort in the fact I wasn't the only one LOL
But "babe" killed me even more than "stardust" tbh!
And in general, among all the uber-hyped positive reviews, which I cannot relate to at all, and the many negative reviews, which it least crack me up and give me sense of saneness (while reading I was literally wondering if I'll be the only Debbie Downer about it), the final feeling left for me after this book is such a deep disappointment and a tea spoon of depression LOL
For the ICED lovers out there, who relished in the perfect writing style back then, which made the book stand out like a million levels above all the rest - i send you a big hug! Ever since Burned kill me (us?), I've been waiting for that kind of quality of book, but each time it was just meh for me, with the hope that next one (or at least the next Dani book) will wash off the bitterness of the sudden writing change.
But it seems ICED was the outlier. It just sucked that it took a Dani book to highlight it for me.
Sorry for the moping guys, it really put me down ! xD
@Anomis dw about it girl hahaha i think we all feel the same way.In my deluded head once KMM went back to writing about Dani her writing style would become electric again. Tight and fresh and not just a huge 300-page monologue. Sadly this book woke me up to the reality that KMM's writing style post iced has just gone to the shitter.
I think this week has been wild as hell for everyone! My friends wouldn't even believe me when I said a new york times best seller was attacking, stalking and sending her fangirls after me lmao!
Yes, its been crazy the past week for sure! LOL i lost my sleep for awhile there. No idea how come i let myself get so agitated over a book, but i guess in some way the emotional investment makes it difficult to let go of your favorite series even once your tastes start to separate.My burn is slowly reducing however (thankfully i am entering blissful acceptance and letting go) and i wanted to say that whoever loved/hated/med-ed and ect this book, but feels like discussing it - not to feel discouraged to do so here! ;-)
For instance - i always had the hidden hope of Dani being a total slob, which would drive organized Ryo insane xD it's not what turned out since she vacuumed tirelessly throughout a number of pages, but i ll probably always hold on to that fantasy LOL
@Anomis lmao ur so right. i feel more burned because of how hardcore my emotional investment was. yess i love ranting about this book! Everyone pls share yo thoughts/likes/dislikes about this book.
hahaha anomis i almost feel like ryodan ended up being the secret slob since he's always breaking all his fucking furniture lol.
i hope dani leaves her hair all over ryodan's apartment lmao.
also i said this to melissa already but do you guys also find it tacky that dani and ryo's romantic couple song is literally a song about how good lor is in bed? gaggggg
Fresiako wrote: "also i said this to melissa already but do you guys also find it tacky that dani and ryo's romantic couple song is literally a song about how good lor is in bed? gaggggg"
Well Lor was always a big fun part of Dani's life so im guessing this was a way to sneak him in the hole pile of red threads too xD
Oh now i remembered how in the dating car (*painful eyeroll xD*) Dani was telling Ryo Lor most probably was spying on her while naked. Was that an attempt to make him jealous or smthng? Its crazy how much hatered the 9 had for Mac and love for Dani, and in the end it was Dani who tried to play the split-the-boi-band card...
I thought all the musical connections were horrendous, dancing naked was eye rolling. I just felt like the stardust thing was very forced and made no sense to me. And besides the info dump of Kat and Christian and a side bar with Barrons there was no one else in the book. NO really good side storylines and character development. The hunter storyline was just another storyline that is a creature with limitless powers that we will never understand their history or real timeline. Its like these beings-like the nine- fae- hunters- are continuously getting created with no substantial background or finite rules. They just bend as her story progresses.
two areas of intrigue were the tribunal was again mentioned. And it felt like Dani's parentage-father may become one day relevant.
I actually like Dancer more after this book. It almost made me feel like ryo was just a place holder until dancer and dani reunited.
Ugh every pop culture reference in HV was tacky. But my eyes almost fell out of my socket when the Miley Cyrus one came up. WTF??My pain over this book is numbing too. After giving it some thought I've come to the realization that KMM might be going in a new direction with the feel and content of this series from now on. It's been happening since Burned came out. And KMM is completely within her right as an author to write the story as she wants. I have resigned myself to that. But since this series is starting to feel more and more like the typical UF series that doesn't do it for me. And the character development is really off. New somewhat fascinating characters enter the scene and are killed or shuffled aside unexpectantly. I was not ready for the roach god to go. He was an interesting character.
I saw some people in the Spoilers page say that KMM will not write a bad book because her level of writing in this genra is above other authors. I mean personally I don't compare KMM to other authors when I read her. I compare her to the previous books she wrote, namely fever 1 to 5 and Iced and she and she's not doing well at this point.
The thing that really irks is the whole transformation thing. She uses it for everything. Part of me wonders if she knows how transformation or evolution works...slowly over time.Things don't do a 180 turn every book. I'm frustrates with her using transformation as an excuse or answer for everything.
Something that could have redemed this book for me was if Ryo t least had shown a smidget of his earlier self. Like be tender and play Miley for all I care. But give us a scene where he rips someone's heart or does something smart too. Why can't both parts of his personality be present in this book? Why is he so split?
Interesting reading all of your takes on this book. I actually liked it for the most part. Maybe because I had zero expectations going in. Iced was my favorite and the books thereafter were terrible. I didn’t even read the last one although I bought it. This will probably be my last for this series. I get the impression she’s going back to Mac next book and I can’t deal.
What did you do to go into this books without any expectation? I tried but it's hard because the characters have been around for like 9 books and they are so established. It's not like I could pretend I was meeting them for the first time. I also felt like the writting style in this book was choppy and that had nothing to do with the overall plot of the story.
Hehe i read a theory about mac which nailed it for me based on how things are going in the recent books - that she ll come out of this room like 300 years later or something and she ll look at barrons and be all like - who are you, you fae killing monster?!
LOL i ll not stick around for that either most probably xD
haha! Where did you read that theory? That is hilarious!!
I thought KMM was beyond the cliches. But after HV I no longer put it past her to go that direction lol
Basically after reading the first five books about Mac and her incessant inner monologues and wishy washy ways I was glad to see her story end. I read Iced and fell in love with Ryodan and Dani. They have a great dynamic together even though she was 14. I was excited that she would get three books. But, instead we go waffling Mac back and cold blooded Jada. It didn’t help that the subsequent books weren’t written well. I didn’t read Fever Song, I guess I should. When I read she was telling Dani’s story again I was happy but wasn’t expecting much. Not after the last time. So, I set my expectations low. That way I would be pleasantly surprised if the book turned out to be any good.
Haha :)) it was on a random discussion group full of mourning dani lovers.Idk, i guess that would be too much, indeed!
For the not having expectations that you asked... Wel you liked Iced i presume? I think if you loved it and got frustrated with the next string of Macbooks, then it is almost for sure you ll feel let down by HV.
By now i see we had no chance. We've been idealizing (rightfully) Iced for so long and have been starved for its continuation for so so many books, after being left hanging at the begining of Burned - that we (me.. and probs many others) turned a bilnd eye to the symptoms of the story development.
I have to admit that Dancer love story was also a shocker for me (i know kmo loves shocking her fans and stuff.. but this wasnt a good shocker at all based on how things were left in Iced). We were told that Jada was something Dani had to thaw from so it wasnt our real Dani. And FB left a whisper of a promise for Dani's return and also finally some Ryodani (like Fresiako said - that back licking scene during the tattoo stroke more flames in her ryodani loins than any of the HV sex scenes lmao! And my RD lions second that xD). And then in FS we had the whole Dancer thing which - how do you reject, when having a sweet boy dying?..
So then after eos of postponement we get the HV... which supposedly was supposed to have many sexy times and bunch of other things hinted in earlier teasers but just non-existent in the actual book... put that together with all the weird things sprinkled on the so called romance b/w Dani and Ryo and you've got yourself a book bummer for life xD.. We had no chance!
Probably if you hide from fandom, and read the series as your average random book - you d be just fine with the whole thing/ or not care about it at all...
Hmmm...I really loved Iced so much. There was no way i could have had low expectations about this book. I wish KMM had said that it wasn't going to be in the vein of Iced. She just said it was going to be different. Maybe sbe could have hinted that it would be a tad slow and introspective...Then I would have read with an open mind. The more I think about it the more I feel that KMM might have really wanted to write this story this way. I mean she knows what readers want. Action. Sex. Character interactions. But there was nothing like that in this book. Why would she do that??? And lol Anomis, I'm a page skipper so i turned to the last chapter when I got the book and knew there was a sex scene there. But I kept telling myself, there must be something else beforehand. There has to be! Gaaahhhh! I was so wrong!
Jada was so unnecessary. Dani had Shazam. Why did she have to be so emo? So much that could have happened between her and Ryo if that storyline had been scrapped.
Anomis wrote: "Haha :)) it was on a random discussion group full of mourning dani lovers.Idk, i guess that would be too much, indeed!
For the not having expectations that you asked... Wel you liked Iced i pres..."
Lol, I just came here to do a similar type of post-mortem for my love of Dani/Ryodani and why we never had a chance, and why we should have seen this coming instead of clinging on to hope...
Taken together, the pacing and delivery of Dani's story was always very choppy, and happened mostly off-page. Looking back, that scene in Burned where Jada is back was a sign of how things would play out. Instead of getting to focus on everyone's reactions, we get Mac's rambling completely overshadowing the occasion. That pretty much set the tone for the way Dani's story was delivered altogether. All the things that shaped Dani’s development in the Silvers, we did not get to see. She started out with a fragmented personality that is alluded to several times, only to be told that oh by the way, she integrated and assimilated those different aspects while she was Silverside because she’s just brilliant like that. Done and dusted.
Next, we’re told she’s now a bad-ass vigilante in Dublin, but we never get to see that in action either. Nor do we see her signature intelligence once Jada begins to fade. The line of demarcation of the author showing us instead of telling us happens around midway through Feversong, and after that, we don't get to draw our own conclusions because everything is spelled out to us, sometimes several times over. So I guess this is what the author means by her writing style evolving. I wish I could have evolved in this direction as a reader, but seeing the series lose a core element of what made it so gripping to begin with is sad and baffling.
I did my best to go into HiVo with no expectations, just a sincere hope that the magic that was Dani and Ryo in Iced would in some form or other be back. It wasn't. With the next book, it sounds like Mac and Barrons will be front and center again. I might read it or I might not, time will tell.
I think I remember KMM saying in some post that many parts of this book were re-written. So it could be that a more dynamic version of the story was left on the cutting room floor. Sounds like many M&B fans learned to love Dani & Ryo with this book though, and that's great. I just never thought that after all this time, my only feeling about Dani and Ryo in the end would be 'meh'.
oh guys, i hear ya.. There is indeed a lot of talk about evolving, and how we all the debbie downers cannot appreciate Dani growing into a woman etc. But tbh, if Dani's 14 yo version is so much better than her 20-something yo one, then she didn't do a good job growing. She had basically grown to become yet another woman in this series with tastes in sexiness and dressing up and decorations and monologue-ing.
Dani used to stand out. Now we just basically have two very similar heroines, Mac&Dani. And yes one will at times be sadder than the other, but the difference is pretty much minimal.
Why all 20 year-olds sound so mature and dry once they reach "their final form" in this series... i would never know. You can be mature all you want and still be firecracker at the same time, its just all about writing a different personality...
Dani's character used to be so unique, synonymous with anarchy even. She was so not conforming to the stereotypes.... And now she is just your average Mac, mediocrity and all.. it kills me. It killed her love story with Ryo too. All the tacky stuff we complain about which ruined it all for us - I'd call that mediocrity. But hey - at least now she's mainstream enough to relate to, yes..
Yikes! I don’t think I could ever say Dani was now another Mac. On her worst day, she is still leagues ahead of Mac IMO. Eighty million books later and Mac is still the same-fluffy pink and rainbows and everyone hoping she gets her sh*t together.
Anomis wrote: "oh guys, i hear ya.. There is indeed a lot of talk about evolving, and how we all the debbie downers cannot appreciate Dani growing into a woman etc. But tbh, if Dani's 14 yo version is so much b..."
Same page, same bloody word. The 14 year-old Dani was in ways much wiser and saw thigns more clearly than most people ever will, and that's what made her unique. And totally onboard with the anarchy aspect, I think that's on of the reasons I was never down with the Dancer storyline. That was just conforming to the "teenage romance" trope which for a while I though she would escape from.
Anomis wrote: "oh guys, i hear ya.. There is indeed a lot of talk about evolving, and how we all the debbie downers cannot appreciate Dani growing into a woman etc. But tbh, if Dani's 14 yo version is so much b..."
"Dani is nos mainstream enough to relate" --> yep my thoughts exactly!
HV felt like my fave character died ):
How well put! That was one of the things I wanted to scream about that Dani no longer stood out and likes thw most bening things. Why is that synonymous with growing up in this series? Why is she so badly differentiated that she has to take on Mac and Ryo's likes and dislikes like that. One thing about grown up Dani that I wanted to rip my hair out for was the insistance that Ryo was what she needed and KMM saying she was like a wounded thing that needed to be won over. I always imagined a grown up Dani delivering for herself what she needed because she would be wise enough to know that you never rely on other for what you need. I imagined her getting to a point where she easily accept and appreciated what others were offering though. Idk, Dani did noy strike me as good vulnerable.
And did anyone get the vibe that Ryo was transforming into Dancer 2.0. He said all the things I imagined Dancer saying to Dani. Like in my mind he went, hey if it worked for the other guy it should work for me too. lol
LOL @ Ryo turning Dancer 2.0! I swear if he pulls out glasses at certain point.....Im so afraid it'll go some similar twisted way as Mac/Barrons pre-destined thing.. like some incarnation stuff like when the mother of Barron's son was basically Mac as well in different form and they've loved each other forever and forever after....
And now with Ryo and Dancer I have a feeling it's all gonna be intermingled in one great love for Dani that split into different persons across time and space and in this life time two manifestations happened to be at the same time or whatever...
And I dig stuff like that normally! I have no idea how kmo managed to make it so off putting in the case of Dani&Ryo.. it just felt so tacky wacky..
@Kyra, LOL, ok I agree! I hope I never live to see Dani becoming like Mac completely! But the stilettos and the 50 shades of red and the floor swiping were definitely giving me a fright ! xD
LOL honestly, a lot of his "romantic" talk sounded a little like Dancer. Although I found Dancer calling Dani "wild thing" a lot cuter and more natural than this "stardust" that seemed to come out of nowhereI'm a Dani fan first and foremost- I always thought I'd be fine if Dani didn't even end up with a love interest as long as she was happy. Yes, if she was to be with Ryodan I wanted him to be more open and have more of a romance than Mac and Barrons. I don't find M&B to have the kind of relationship that I'd personally aspire to or even find very healthy. But I wanted to see that evolve naturally, with some tension. Ryodan wasn't any sort of Ryodan I could recognize from the moment he mumbled that "romantic" bunk under his breath. I always liked Ryodan because he showed more respect to Dani's thoughts than I'd ever seen Barrons show Mac imo. But in this he literally tells her "you're forgetting who the man is shall I remind you" it's supposed to be a sexy innuendo but it was infuriating. I thought Ryodan was supposed to see women a certain way. But I guess that just means he can't handle a woman crying or something. WOMAN EMOTIONS! STOP THEM IMMEDIATELY!! lol
This book was full of pages and pages of introspection and very little action. That never used to be Dani's gig. Maybe foolishly I realize now, but I was hoping to see Dani's time in the silvers. For an author who puts so much emphasis on transformation she didn't even fully commit to showing arguably the biggest and most important transformation of all. I think that shows the intention behind aging Dani up clear as day.
My thoughts are this isn't much to discuss in the book. Really again nothing happened. I was --again can't believe I'm saying this- wondering who Rae's dad was...is cruce really dead? Ryodan seemed so lame, so did Lor, so did all of the 9??? i can't read anymore stupid stories of how hot the 9 are and how women, even famous ones can't resist their charm. i thought the Dani Ryodan relationship would at least put them in a position where they saw their other as an equal. even with Danis abilities as a SS- she had to become a Hunter for them to stop treating her with kid gloves. WTF???
What was the point of Jada??? i hated the concept but now she's completely gone from the persona and it makes really absolutely no sense.
Yeah, I wouldn’t want Mac and Barron’s relationship. It seems sex is all they have in common. I would rather be called Stardust over “Wild thing” any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Maybe if I actually liked Dancer then I might find that cute. I got the feeling he calls her stardust out of the blue is because of the star she wrote her message on. He couldn’t very well call her that in Iced because she wouldn’t have understood. And probably would have went ballistic on him. As far as the tears thing, didn’t Lor tell her back in Iced that Ryodan could never handle a woman crying? In HV I think he got frustrated when she cried because he couldn’t touch her to comfort her. I realize I sound like a Ryodan apologist but 🤷🏾♀️
Kyra wrote: "Yeah, I wouldn’t want Mac and Barron’s relationship. It seems sex is all they have in common. I would rather be called Stardust over “Wild thing” any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Maybe if ..."haha Kyra you bring up good points. I don't think I'd want to be called either personally tbh ahaha. I loved Dancer a lot so perhaps I'm biased. You're right if Ryodan tried to call 14 yr old Dani she'd look at him like dafuq u just call me??
feel free to be whatever you wanna be lmao say whatever you feel like saying. that's what keeps discussion on and poppin!
@June I think it's heavily implied Rae is Cruce's and she's growing wings. I have no desire to read about a possible Cruce daddy redemption lol. But what one person hates, another person loves.
Kyra wrote: "Yeah, I wouldn’t want Mac and Barron’s relationship. It seems sex is all they have in common. I would rather be called Stardust over “Wild thing” any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Maybe if ..."LOL Kyra!! We (probably) all love Ryo boy too xD the book frustration is stemming in all directions! For the first time since ever I actually miss having Mac around coz we could vent all that book annoyance at her and blame her for everything in the universe lmao!
Stardust sounds for sure romantic, it just dropped so random and unconnected that it puzzled me i guess.. I mean I knew the man from the beach was Ryodan obviously, and that probs meant the stone was from Dani, since it smelled to him like uber-woman, but I also knew that Dani didn't know about, so I was thinking, ok now there will be some reveal or something... and then I remember being mainly puzzled at Dani for not demanding more explanations or looking at him weird like he has ten heads or smthng.
Then again - there were also the moments when "kid" and "boss" were also dropped and that also felt super weird. Because she wasn't kid anymore and he isn't her boss any longer..but she got annoyed at him like a kid, which felt unfitting based on the whole grown-up person that was being pull off at the moment.. so my brain twisted even further because it seemed dropped just as a tribute to their Iced interaction, however it failed to recapture the same feeling.. and even the Baaa sheep moment in one of her monologues felt off and at that moment I checked my pulse to see if im actually dead inside!
June wrote: "My thoughts are this isn't much to discuss in the book. Really again nothing happened. I was --again can't believe I'm saying this- wondering who Rae's dad was...is cruce really dead? Ryodan seem..."
Rae will probably be interesting character until she grows up and becomes femme fatale #3! But hopefully before that we get something interesting off her! I guess she's pre-destined to be paired off with someone too, once she grows up in the near future books. Maybe Christian who'll be teaching her to tame her darkness and they can be the dark wingy couple...
I paid $14.99 for this book. Months ahead of it being released. How is that a "gift" when I spent my own money on it? KMM doesn't lounge on her computer typing away to give me gifts and do me favors. This is her job and I am a customer.
I don't understand people at all...