Allegiant (Divergent, #3) Allegiant discussion


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Cassie    'The Thinker Go Go Go Go' Mis. Roben Goodfellow'\Isabelle Lightwood I never even got to read the explainsion on why she did it


Bitterblue  The Penguin yeah, same here


Jasmine I cried at the ending more because I was pissed about how it ended. I don't need a "happy ending", but at least let me finish a book feeling complete. I mean seriously...Tris passed thru Death Serum...only to get shot....by a man in a wheelchair...and on her last dying breath...she hit the button to erase everyone's memories? I mean come on. That was the most selfless act but she didn't even have to go like that.


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Eva I actually liked the ending of the series, Allegiant was my favorite book out of the trilogy. Tris made the ultimate sacrifice in order to help a greater cause. She put thousands of people above her relationship and her life, which I loved, because it showed how strong Tris really was. Too many YA books are about girls that depend way to heavily on a guy, and Tris's actions sort of showed that she was stronger than that. Also, I liked how the epilogue showed how Tobias was slowly moving on from Tris.


Jasmine Ria wrote: "Jasmine wrote: "I cried at the ending more because I was pissed about how it ended. I don't need a "happy ending", but at least let me finish a book feeling complete. I mean seriously...Tris passed..."


Very true. I did have an "eye-roll" moment in the second book when she finally decided...'she wanted to live' and she wanted to stop running off to get herself killed. I felt that was ridiculous.


Online Eccentric Librarian The ending makes sense when you consider that the whole point of it was that she had aspects of several factions. The ultimate expression of the abnegation portion of her is the ultimate sacrifice - her life.

I just hated it because that sacrifice was kind of stupid and could have been more poignant.


Rosalynn Jasmine wrote: "I cried at the ending more because I was pissed about how it ended. I don't need a "happy ending", but at least let me finish a book feeling complete. I mean seriously...Tris passed thru Death Seru..."

OMG that is my exact feeling. She survives through all of that crazy stuff to be shot by a guy in a wheelchair. For someone who has survived death serums, crazy Erudites, and variouse other way more Tris-like potential deaths that's a pretty sucky way to go. I also just rrreeaallyy hate it that she died alone. No one was there to comfort her, Tobias didn't even know. I also dislike that she died for her no-good-rotten-traitor of a brother. I mean, i get that that was the whole point, sacrificing herself for someone who really didn't deserve it and all that jazz, but it still bothers me.


Dusty Bibliophile Explained that way, it seems like Tris was a Jesus figure. She died to wash away the everyone's sins and give them a chance at a better life.

Too heavy on the metaphor for me.


Line Anyone got a link to VR's explanaition?


message 10: by Dennis (last edited Jul 29, 2014 01:28PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Dennis John It was pretty brave and selfless at the same time. When she had to press the button instead of CALEB. I think that what it's all about. To show that TRIS is both BRAVE & SELFLESS. But I didn't really like the fact that she died.

THIS JUST POPPED OUT IN MY MIND:
*Tris is:
Dauntless-Erudite-Abnegation-Divergent
Get the initials. It gives you D.E.A.D

THIS JUST POPPED OUT IN MY MIND (part2):
*Veronica Roth should've entitled the last book "EMERGENT" to have "DIE SERIES" as a result.

DIVERGENT-INSURGENT-EMERGENT


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Bri I'm just still sad/mad that Tris died and that her and Tobias didn't get their happy ending like I had hoped they would get.


Kendra G. ツ ~There is some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for~ Bri wrote: "I'm just still sad/mad that Tris died and that her and Tobias didn't get their happy ending like I had hoped they would get."


YESSSSS


Kendra G. ツ ~There is some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for~ Dennis wrote: "It was pretty brave and selfless at the same time. When she had to press the button instead of CALEB. I think that what it's all about. To show that TRIS is both BRAVE & SELFLESS. But I didn't real..."

*cries* yeeees


Kendra G. ツ ~There is some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for~ Line wrote: "Anyone got a link to VR's explanaition?"


message 16: by Tana Lovegood of Dumbledore's Army✞~ (last edited Aug 05, 2014 10:46AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Tana Lovegood of Dumbledore's Army✞~ Rogers/America Here's her explanation: “Well, it’s actually been set up that way,” Roth explained of the outline for her dystopian series. “At the end of the first book, she almost experiences death. She’s in that water tank. She gets saved at the last second by her mother. At the end of the book, she kind of plays with the idea of self-sacrifice by letting Tobias almost kill her. Like, ‘I’m going to sacrifice myself for him or whatever,’ and that’s not quite right, so she lives. In the second book, the same things happens. She goes to her execution in this act of bravado and self-sacrifice, and it’s not quite right, so she survives.”

But the lessons of the first two installments prove pivotal in the third, in which Tris truly comprehends what it means to give up one’s life for another.

“In the third book, she learns what it actually means to sacrifice herself,” Roth continued. “It has to be necessary. It has to be about love. She says all those things. And to me, it felt like it was her finally understanding what her parents were trying to teach her in Abnegation and finally understanding what it means to be an adult and make a grown-up decision because you have to, not because you particularly want to. So, to me, I was proud of her. I was so proud. It was like she finally became a grown-up.”

Roth said she didn’t have many misgivings about killing her main character, and — perhaps surprisingly — neither did her publisher or editor.

“I think they knew I would only do it if it worked or if it felt like the only way it could end,” she explained.

But that doesn’t mean she didn’t consider alternate endings.

“I thought about other options,” she said. “But the more I thought about them, the more I felt like they weren’t really doing justice to her story. This is a very intense transformation that she undergoes, and to have her just be like, ‘OK, well, we saved the day. Let’s wander off into the sunset together,’ it just didn’t feel right. She earned a more powerful ending to her story than that.”


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Line Thanks, Tana~


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