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First Book of 2018! Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race by Reni Eddo-Lodge

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I read the Kindle version to read "Why I'm not talking to white people about race anymore" because, I do not speak English and I could translate it as I read. I have had to go back several times to start from the beginning to understand everything better and I do not regret it. Now I wonder, how would I feel if the color of my skin was not white? If I discovered that what I consider my peers do not Do you see as an equal? That at a time in history my ancestors did not treat them as Human Beings? I try to think about it and it gets a lump in my throat and I feel like crying.

Hi Meagan, I am also in Canada and received very little, if any, education about race relations. I have been quite horrified at learning about the residential schools, and the treatment of First Nations people.
I lived in the US from 1964-83, and 1993-4. In 1969, my husband and I sold a house, and the buyers were a black family. That did not go over well in our previously all-white neighbourhood.
I have read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee which documents well the history of the truly awful treatment of First Nations people in the US, but I haven't heard of a similar book based on Canada's atrocities. I need to look more.
Can't write more - have to leave for workmen to come in...

For Canada, you can read Indigenous Writes by Chelsea Vowel. I look very much forward to reading it.

She writes about treaties and stereotypes and all kinds of interesting things. Things that settlers need to know for modern-day Canada. I really look forward to reading it.

This week, coincidentally, I've been exploring African American authors and books... So, really, truly, exciting!
Thanks, Emma!

However, if I had a chance to talk with the author, I would ask her in her opinion for a "Top 5" list of talking points or something of that nature. It is not easy to have these conversations, and the defensiveness of my white family/friends/colleagues is very strong (as she asserts right at the beginning of the book.) I can't imagine being a person of color trying to have these conversations. But I am a big fan of lists, and a bigger fan of action, so put the 2 together, and I would feel more empowered to make my role a little clearer and more impactful.


I totally agree with you, and I will have to pass on the reading for now due to this criterias. I cannot afford to spend that amount of money right now in a book and I do not want to get it illegally. I will still try to have a look in second hand stores but I have little hope.
I will however keep it on my to read list and hope to have the pleasure to discover it soon!

I have been a feminist for many, many years now, and have discovered new challenges every step of the way, discovered my own and the movement's flaws as I go. But that is, in a way, part of the "charm." We aren't perfect, we don't have all the answers, but we are on a quest to find them -together.


I listened to the audiobook. I'll have another listen on my next road trip. Too many excellent points I want to think about further but when I'm driving, I really don't want to stop and try to make a voice memo about something she just said so i can think about it later.
Good choice, Emma!

I am from Puerto Rico and here, on the Island, I am a white girl. As soon as I step anywhere else in the world, I am labeled as latina, hispanic, mixed race. At first, I was so confused and enraged that people treated me differently. I no longer felt privilege when I left the comfort of my Island.
I am going on a trip to New York soon and I am mentally preparing myself for the racism I know I will encounter. Maybe they'll hear my name? Maybe they'll hear me speaking Spanish? When I travelled the US before, as soon as someone would hear me talking to my family in Spanish, the dynamic changed. I was no longer white. I was a hispanic and they were rude. I can't imagine how awful black people are treated in the US and in the UK. My experiences are but the tip of the iceberg. And now, in my Island, I have to think about what other Puerto Ricans go through. Puerto Ricans who are darker skinned, tanned--those who are not as privileged as I am. Racism in Puerto Rico is alive and well and I must use my privilege to bring this racism to light.

I am looking forward to getting a new perspective.

I just got the book! It was difficult to get a copy. I was fortunate to receive swiftly from an Amazon seller the Berkeley Bear! I am anxious to delve right into it now to catch up with everyone! Emma wrote such a great review I felt I needed this now.
Anyway..Happy reading as we are to tackle this important issue.
Thanks
There is so much racism, both in our past and present, that is not acknowledged and accounted for. I know this to be the case from my own education, and I know there is so much more for..."



The nature of a privilege is that we are not aware of it. As a woman I am not aware of the fact that I can get extra toppings on my ice cream because the guy behind the counter likes the way I look. But my boy friend would spot it because he does not benefit from that privilege. White privilege is not an attitude it is a fact. White feminism is not an attitude either, it is a fact. Becoming aware of the existence of privileges instead of simply denying a reality will help our children to live in a world full of more opportunities than we have today as minorities. The challenge is to be brave about our privileges and not blind.


There is so much racism, both in our past and present, that is not acknowledged and accounted for. I know this to be the case from my own education, and I know there is so much more for..."
Thank you for choosing this book, it taught me a lot about the continuing racial prejudice in today's society and gave me a stronger level of awareness and understanding of race issues. I work in the justice system in New Zealand, where the criminal justice system is predominantly white judges and white lawyers making decisions regarding defendants of minority races, and the picture is certainly not one of racial equality.


Alecsky wrote: "Dear Emma. If you really get panicked when someone call you are racist, then, excuse me, but something's wrong. The only way to know whether you racist or not is to ask yourself. And of course you ..."
Ugh, your post was really dismissive tbh. racism (or sexism etc) is not just about the intent. Overt racism is generally condemned already, the problem is that it doesn't solve the systemic inequality.
If you see someone saying that all white people are racist, then rest assured it refers to the subconscious racism. Many POC have internalized racism as well (against other POC, not against whites).
You got very defensive here. Nobody actually hates you for being white. What you did here is called gaslighting.
European culture being superior? It just has the best PR. how much do you even know about other cultures? and there's no single European culture, it's more of a patchwork.
I agree that nobody should feel bad for their looks, race etc, but sometimes we absolutely deserve to feel bad for our actions and opinions. We should overcome our kneejerk reaction to criticism and give people the benefit of doubt. Hopefully you'll do this with this harsh-sounding post too ;) If you get defensive I'll try not to reply as I believe I've given you enough starting points for checking your privilege.

You got very defensive here. Nobody actually hates you for being white. What you did here is called gaslighting.
European culture being superior? It just has the best PR. how much do you even know about other cultures? and there's no single European culture, it's more of a patchwork.
I agree that nobody should feel bad for their looks, race etc, but sometimes we absolutely deserve to feel bad for our actions and opinions. We should overcome our kneejerk reaction to criticism and give people the benefit of doubt. Hopefully you'll do this with this harsh-sounding post too ;) If you get defensive I'll try not to reply as I believe I've given you enough starting points for checking your privilege."
Aaaaah, thanks for your comment. You phrased it with the words I'm so often missing - why does it have to be so complicated to explain systematic racism and privilege? :-)


I was very surprised by how British education features American civil rights activists, but don't highlight any of their own. As an American, I feel like we're always some of the worst examples of how race relations are handled, but this had me really questioning my insider perspective.


I found the chapter on "Fear of a Black Planet" chilling in relating to those key buzz words I had heard in my own country's past election fueling the extremist paranoia . "The fear takes on many guises. We hear it in forms of "concerns about immigration.."
"We hear it in the form of preserving our national identity as the core of the fear is the belief that anything that does not represent white homogeneity exists only to erase it. (p 118)
I find it chilling that nations are becoming more closed using the race issue as a platform for candidates to gain the status quo of votes to win elections on the basis of like minded hate. I find that we are living in scary times. Politicians are baiting people, dividing the line in the sand, using words and to divert what the real issues are.

Awww :) I basically majored in English but it can be hard to write on this topic, yes.
hehe your profile says you're from Karlsruhe? i have a friend there :)

Hehe your profile says you're from Karlsruhe? i have a friend there :) "
I'm actually French, but I've been living in Karlsruhe for nearly four years now. However I'll move in a couple of months!

"You don't have to be the leader of a global movement or a household name. It can be as small scale as chipping away at the warped power relations in your workplace. It can be passing on knowledge and skills to those who wouldn't access them otherwise. It can be creative. It can be informal . It can be your job. It doesn't matter what it is, as long as you're doing something."
To me, those lines really spoke to me. There's been so many times where I've doubted myself and felt that people didn't hear what I had to say. Those lines really did give me hope, and now I'm happy to say that this book has pushed me to not be afraid to stand up for what I believe in, and to always look at different perspectives. Thank you Emma, for choosing such a great, educating, powerful book.

I see that it is hard to relate to something you never experienced, never felt or had to deal with. We all like to focus on our problems where as other problems that does not excists. But it does, and as the world is now. it will stay for a long time. We need to change the mindset of all. Will change come? history has tought us that it will. But will change bring equality or a different kind supression.

I am an older, white, American woman who recalls travelling during my childhood and seeing signs - "No dogs, no Negros, no Mexicans" - "whites only" - and more throughout the Southern and South Eastern USA. It was as recent as 1968 that the Federal Housing Admin would make home loans to black Americans. Redlining created ghettos and so people of color had to establish alternatives outside social and economic mainstream systems. Many of America's discriminatory practices are banned today because of the civil rights movement. However, life outside of white America is still not very well known or appreciated by whites. One sad example is the disappearance of black cemeteries which were necessary for centuries because black slaves, emancipated slaves, and black American citizens could not be buried in white, established cemeteries. Much of early black American culture and history is lost because of these racist customs and practices. Here in the US, many black-skinned citizens have roots going back to the beginning of our nation, and they are Americans, period. Not African Americans, Negros, blacks, or whatever label is affixed to a race.
Reni Eddo-Lodge wrote about the persistent, destructive, wasteful notion that the white race is supreme rather than just one of six racial categories currently recognized in the US. The world's economic class systems are based on white supremacy and those arrangements erode slowly. I appreciate how insane it must be to talk with people like me about the harm racism causes. I would never have thought about black cemeteries if my friend had not told me about her black sorority sister project of restoring one in Missouri. We did not debate, we talked about how these places came about and what happened to them. That conversation prompted me to find out more. My friendships with people of other races have made my life better and I hope what I've shared about how I live has been equally enriching.


Thank you for choosing this particular book.


It didn't just ask us to challenge underlying assumptions and structures in the wider community. For me, it asked me to recognise the privilege that I benefit from, to listen to the experiences of those most affected, and to challenge those who do not recognise their privilege - even if thats on a small scale.
I feel with every page I learnt so much from this book, and I am so thankful it was selected for the first book of 2018.

Anyway, I realize that I'm most likely the minority here, not being feminist or female, but I've been a member since last year, and have meant to introduce myself to you all, and tell you how much I've genuinely appreciated the monthly PM's and book recommendations. Thank you, everybody.

Coming from a 99.99% white Catholic country (when I was growing up, the statistics might be a bit different now, though probably not by much) any knowledge I had about racism related to US, and now living in UK, and having quite diverse friends& colleagues cooperating at work, it has never occurred to me to ask about the racism in UK. It shouldn't, knowing about UK's colonial past, but I haven't.
Now that I read the book I feel informed, and also very much humbled for how naive I was being before.
This was an excellent important read to be recommended to others, but also a stepping stone to further educate myself.

Coming from a 99.99% white Catholic country (when I was growing up, the statistics might be a bit differ..."
Even though i was raised in in CA, I'm from the Philippines, i learned the value of life and had humble life growing up, learning to respect our elders and everyone who came before me, no matter there age, race, gender or, where they came from. were all the same no matter how you look at it.

Coming from a 99.99% white Catholic country (when I was growing up, the statistics might be a bit differ..."
I doubt it's the case but it feels like Austria is 99,99% white. Catholic, no not 99%, but maybe 80? Definitely the majority...

Coming from a 99.99% white Catholic country (when I was growing up, the statistics might be a bit differ..."
Hi Emma. Yes, that was a bit of a hyperbole on my part in lieu of the meaning of 'almost all' in my personal vernacular. The country I speak of is Poland, where as of 2011 census 87% of citizens testified as being Catholic, and 7% didn't want to give a reply, and considering Polish circumstance most of the people were likely baptised into Catholicism anyway, no matter if they identify as such any longer. According to Catholic Church unless they filed for apostasy (and act that is complicated and if successful entails being basically cursed by the Church - the famous anathema- which does not make your life in Poland or contact with still Catholic family easier) you are the part of the headcount so the official CHurch reocords are likely to be much higher than census statistics. Example me: I would actually love to leave the Church officially, but the hassle is too much especially since I don't live in Poland atm and you have to do it there, with multiple visits in your parish etc, so as per Polish Church I'm still Catholic. I do not identify as such but that doesn't matter. Moreover, Poland is very much culturally Catholic, where the Church year influenced the state holidays etc. If you happen be a part of a minority ( which would be tiny number of Orthodox Christians, small number of Evangelicals, some Jewish and Muslim communities, some pagan and Slavic religious reconstructionists) you still are a part of a largely homogenous and predominantly Catholic culture, down to having all Catholic holidays (not just Christmas) marked in even secular calendars, religion influencing market sales(thematic holiday sales), businesses, working hours, social & family life (yes Poland is one of not many countries having a concordate agreement with Vatican which influences weddings), Church and Church official have special rights, crosses are displayed in schools and official administrative entities next to the country enbmlem etc. Unless you live in a big city and then even not always then, you might not meet a non-Catholic in your life, and in most cases, people would assume they haven't because Catholic is pretty much the default for many people. As for race again with Poland being Mid/Eastern European, and ethnically mostly Slavic country (to the point where Wikipedia entry about Demographics of Poland they do mention ethnicity but not race not at all), almost all people, and definitely most of the citizens are white. With Poland having been pretty closed off till 1989 when communism fell, the numbers of foreign residents are still not high, and locals are so so white. Being born in 1980, I haven't met a non-white person till my late teens. In high school, I met a Japanese teacher who volunteered in Poland, and my mum's Nigerian language school friend, and that's likely because I lived in the 2nd largest city that also had the only official school teaching Polish to foreigners (mostly for Uni students coming to peruse Polish universities) in the country. That was the state as of late 90s and early 00s. In big cities or near special economic zones, you would meet more POC in 00s and early 2010s but these would be mostly foreign students or business people/ corporate workers from abroad, or people in food industry. My white passing Jewish Dutch-Enlish friend I made at the time, who moved to Poland for a while with her kids and Irish husband, said that while she felt fine in Poland, POC workmates in her Western corporate tech company, did feel somewhat isolated and closely observed if not outright approached or attacked. Their corporation would warn people about that, and ofter a while most of POC opted to leave for other pastures/countries). And that was probably the most tolerant if still predominantly white and unused to otherness Poland was in a long time. Last few years with the current government being largely anti-immigration and anti any sort of otherness, the alt right sentiments have flamed up and been given too much space to breathe. People with darker skin, considered Muslim, or even sometimes speaking a foreign tongue have been occasionally attacked in the street. All of that does not create a good environment for POC wanting to settle or feeling safe in Poland at all at the moment. Especially since in the sea of white faces all around, theirs are immediately visible. Meanwhile, a generation has grown up, where there are children with mixed heritage who are Polish, but they are few and far between (most people of Xennials & Millenials and have POC partners, prefer to not raise their mix race families back in Poland), predominantly located in big cities and mostly will always have to keep replying to people about 'where they are really from' and might be gawked at in the streets if not be in danger in current climate (generally now it's worst not to be black really, but to have broadly defined middle easter features, because terrorists, bla bla bla or some other bullshit, but being black comes after. Eastern Asians have it the best relatively, but recently I even heard a white Danish family was beat up for speaking Danish- so not Polish- so who knows anymore). To a lot of people world Polish national basically equals white and Catholic, and you can get called non-Polish or anti-Polish if you are not, or not reverential enough to culture or history.
Which is sad and funny as Poland used to be one of the most diverse societies of Modern times in continental Europe (though still probably not many POC then, diverse religiously, ethnically and culturally back then, -hell even my homtown used to be known as 'city of four cultures-Polish,German,Russian and Jewish before WWII) but there you have it.
In short it was an exaggeration, but unfortunatuly it pains a picture that is quite realistic. :/

There is so much racism, both in our past and present, that is not acknowledged and accounted for. I know this to be the case from my own education, and I know there is so much more for..."
Thank you for sharing this book and suggesting it. I must admit I've always thought I was open minded and accepting of others, no matter their background. This book really opened my eyes wide, and profoundly challenged me, to reconsider certain events and their significance. I was oblivious to just how deep and complex some of the power relations are that structure our every day events. Thanks for suggesting it - looking forward to the next one!
With love
Francesca

Like many of the previous commenters/readers have mentioned above, this book was eye-opening for me in that it made me look at my own behaviour and thoughts, and how while I may think I'm 'not racist', I am experiencing all the privileges in being white - and that's not something I have really, truly analysed about myself before. I really would like to read more like this in the future, so I can keep unpicking this in my own life.

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