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Rick | 2261 comments I'm sure it's not news, but I just saw a preview/clip for the upcoming xmas special. It looks wonderful.


message 2: by Travis (new)

Travis (travishiltz) | 2401 comments The trailer is pretty awesome.
I will miss Capaldi fiercely, but Moffatt seems to be doing right by him with the season finale and this special.


message 3: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 768 comments Mod
I look forward to episode, but, by the same token, I, too, will miss Capaldi. He brought some of the magic back to the show.

Sigh. 😑

I hope Jodie Whitaker can keep the magic alive.


message 4: by Rick (new)

Rick | 2261 comments Yeah, I have mixed feelings as well. I'm really looking forward to seeing the special, but knowing that it's Capaldi's last leaves me feeling sad.

I'm also thrilled that they're folding David Bradley in as an "official" first Doctor. I really enjoyed the docudrama An Adventure in Space and Time, he did such a good job as William Hartnell and as Hartnell as the Doctor.


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Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 768 comments Mod
Rick wrote: "Yeah, I have mixed feelings as well. I'm really looking forward to seeing the special, but knowing that it's Capaldi's last leaves me feeling sad.

I'm also thrilled that they're folding David Bradley in as an "official" first Doctor. I really enjoyed the docudrama An Adventure in Space and Time, he did such a good job as William Hartnell and as Hartnell as the Doctor."


Yes, I really enjoyed An Adventure and he's very good as Hartnell/Doctor! Did you get a kick out of Delia Derbieshire dancing around in the background putting the theme together?


message 6: by Rick (new)

Rick | 2261 comments Lori S. wrote: "... Did you get a kick out of Delia Derbieshire dancing around in the background putting the theme together? "

Yes, I did. I was so pleased with every aspect of film. My only regret was that it wasn't longer - or that they had made one for each of the classic Doctor's eras.

I just heard there's going to be a Peter Capaldi as the Doctor retrospective following the xmas special. I hope they include that on the disc release.


message 7: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 768 comments Mod
That would be nice.


message 8: by Travis (new)

Travis (travishiltz) | 2401 comments So, I thought I was recovered enough from last Jedi to tackle another emotional, end of an era roller coaster...

I was so wrong.

So, a good cry in a quiet corner and I'm feeling capable of coherant thought again.
I miss him already.
So well done on almost every level, that I find myself even missing Stephen Moffat.
He tied up just enough loose ends and gave us just enough story to leave room for some brilliant moments between the two Doctors.
The old Tardis set is so pretty.
And how great was Mark Gatis?

So, good and it's going to be a long wait till next season.


message 9: by Rick (new)

Rick | 2261 comments I haven't seen either Twice Upon a Time or The Last Jedi yet. So I'll probably be avoiding further discussions here until February when it will be out on disc. But it seems like it's ALWAYS a long wait for the next season.

In the meantime, I've started re-watching the old series from the beginning. I just finished The Crusade this afternoon. Tomorrow morning I'll start on The Space Museum. ;)


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Matthew Kresal | 119 comments I've written a full review of the special over on Vocal's Futurism page for anyone who is interested: http://futurism.media/doctor-who-twic...

Suffice to say here that I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was a run around but after the overblown messes we've had the last couple of regenerations I don't think that is a bad thing at all. Especially when it's as well done as this was.


CaptKirk42 Classic Whovian (klandersen) | 184 comments Loved it.

I noticed one "goof". Hopefully this bit isn't much of a spoiler. When The Doctor (12) had everyone follow him to jump onto the chains that were hauling the TARDIS. The order of jumping was Doc 12, Doc 1, The Captain, Bill, then Bill again (or she's adjusting from her jump). With that scene when they slid down the chains to the top of the TARDIS I thought, "that must hurt their palms". Not as bad as rope burns but still might hurt the hands a bit.


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Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 768 comments Mod
CaptKirk42 Classic Whovian wrote: "Loved it.

I noticed one "goof". Hopefully this bit isn't much of a spoiler. When The Doctor (12) had everyone follow him to jump onto the chains that were hauling the TARDIS. The order of jumping..."


Yeah, I noticed that too, though at the time I couldn't figure out what was wrong with the scene.

I did like the episode. It definitely had some truly sad moments, like the Christmas Truce scene, and the scenes between Bill and the Doctor, etc. I do not think Bradley did a bad job with the First Doctor at all. Some of what he said was definitely dated, but it was nice to see how much the Doctor has progressed since his first appearance.

That smile on Jodie Whitaker's face at the end of the episode and her "Brilliant" makes me really hopeful.


message 13: by Rick (new)

Rick | 2261 comments Lori S. wrote: "... I do not think Bradley did a bad job with the First Doctor at all. Some of what he said was definitely dated, but it was nice to see how much the Doctor has progressed since his first appearance. ..."

I really enjoyed him as William Hartnell in An Adventure in Space and Time, so I had high hopes for his appearance as the actual Doctor. Good to hear it went well.

As I said, I've been re-watched the old series, and am always amazing at how little has changed in some ways and how much has changed in others. The chauvinistic attitudes being among the latter.


message 14: by Stephanie (new)

Stephanie | 5 comments Watched it during Christmas night and all that I could think about afterwards was how fast these four years have passed by. It'll be interesting to see where Chibnall and Whitaker will take the show next.


message 15: by Travis (new)

Travis (travishiltz) | 2401 comments My problem with the first Doctor wasn't so much the casual sexism, but rather Capaldi's near pearl clutching shock ( because he's always been so sensitive when dealing with other people) and the near shouting 'We are so much more enlightened then this!" because Moffatt knew those bits would get him internet hate.

The first was stuffy and old fashioned, fine write him that way, but the over done, obvious attempt to create a shield from criticism for a writer who also has a rep for making some callous sexist remarks was more offensive to me just because it was so clunky.

It could have been done so much better.
The later scenes with the First and Bill were really nice, but everybody is fixated on the early stuff.


message 16: by Rick (new)

Rick | 2261 comments I saw this the other day:

http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/every-...

I don't agree with all the rankings, but there's some interesting observations.


message 17: by Lori S. (last edited Dec 29, 2017 07:35AM) (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 768 comments Mod
Rick wrote: "I saw this the other day:

http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/every-......"


Yes, there are several that, to me, are too high on the list and should be slipped back several spaces. Otherwise, an interesting list.

Here's another list to compare: https://theportalist.com/doctor-who-c...


message 18: by Rick (new)

Rick | 2261 comments Thanks Lori, interesting how different some of the opinions are. ;)


message 19: by Jadetyger (new)

Jadetyger Sevea | 73 comments Just saw it. I'm a bit late to the party. Not sure what to think of it, honestly. Certainly, not enough information to judge Jodie Whittaker's Doctor yet.

David Bradley as One: Of course he's not Hartnell, and he hasn't got Hartnell's cadence, however, I think he's got One's spirit, so that bodes well.


message 20: by Matthew (new)

Matthew Kresal | 119 comments Jadetyger wrote: "David Bradley as One: Of course he's not Hartnell, and he hasn't got Hartnell's cadence, however, I think he's got One's spirit, so that bodes well. "

He does quite well and I think capturing the spirit and ethos of past Doctors is the secret to making it work. He certainly does a fantastic job on audio with the new First Doctor Adventures set from Big Finish.


message 21: by Jadetyger (new)

Jadetyger Sevea | 73 comments Matthew wrote: "Jadetyger wrote: "David Bradley as One: Of course he's not Hartnell, and he hasn't got Hartnell's cadence, however, I think he's got One's spirit, so that bodes well. "

He does quite well and I th..."


Re: Big Finish: I'm glad to hear that! I have the boxset, but have not listened to it yet. :)


message 22: by Rick (new)

Rick | 2261 comments Matthew wrote: "... He certainly does a fantastic job on audio with the new First Doctor Adventures set from Big Finish."

I really, really need to get more of these audios. :(

I've only got a handful of the Eighth Doctor's adventures. Someday ...


message 23: by Rick (new)

Rick | 2261 comments I just ordered my bluray copy. It should get here sometime after Valentine's Day. I can't wait, I can't wait, I can't wait ...


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