The Way of Kings [Apr 10, 2018]

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

I pulled out my book:

If you go back to chapter 1, the page before it says

Part 1

Above Silence

Kaladin * Shallan




And when you reached part 2, it said:

The Illuminating Storms

Dalinar * Kaladin * Adolin



I don't think these are spoilers, since the part titles are a type of poetry invented by Sanderson, and don't directly correlate to the material...

[Sedat]

I was gonna come and say "I'm in" then I saw 1 full page of discussions, the br hasn't started yet! What the hell? Lol

[EchoBaz(Unofficial World's Fastest Reader)]

Iain wrote: "MorteTorment(Unofficial World's Fastest Reader) wrote: "Iain wrote: "The beginning throws you in before it starts explaining everything...

The Prelude is some setup... then the Prologue is an even..."

That's a plus. But I'll take it that it's supposed to like there's no one main character?

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Sedat wrote: "I was gonna come and say "I'm in" then I saw 1 full page of discussions, the br hasn't started yet! What the hell? Lol"

We are sanderson fanatics... someone always starts early... and some of us are planning re-reads...

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

MorteTorment(Unofficial World's Fastest Reader) wrote: "Iain wrote: "MorteTorment(Unofficial World's Fastest Reader) wrote: "Iain wrote: "The beginning throws you in before it starts explaining everything...

The Prelude is some setup... then the Prolog..."

This series is 2 five book arcs... so 5 main characters and a large supporting cast... the main characters of the 2nd arc are supporting characters in the first arc...

[Blandio]

I’m getting into the meat of the book at the moment. Shallan seems kinda badass tbh. For me the world building picked up in Kabranth! Superb so far!

[MikMurphy the Spinecreaser]

Is anyone planning on starting this on the 10th? I dont want to be behind all you other early birds haha.

I've been torn about starting this series. I've heard people say you should read Warbreaker first, is that true? Is Sanderson fairly reliable with publishing new books in a timelyish manner? I don't want to forget everything before new books come out. And I'm also intimidated by the size even though I've read book bricks before.

[Em*Greedy* (Iniya)]

Sedat wrote: "I was gonna come and say "I'm in" then I saw 1 full page of discussions, the br hasn't started yet! What the hell? Lol"

Same feeling :-P I started this book a while back, and was stuck at Dalinar's POV where he has visions/nightmares... Liked Kaladin's POV the best and Shallan's was okayish... Dalinar's POV is way too gloomy...! Will try to resume with the discussions going on here.!

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

MikMurphy wrote: "Is anyone planning on starting this on the 10th? I dont want to be behind all you other early birds haha.

I've been torn about starting this series. I've heard people say you should read Warbreak..."

Don't worry... there are plenty of people waiting to start on time... Siobhan and Zaara I think... and I won't be starting my re-read for another few days, I don't think...

Most of the early starters are newer to the group, I think, and haven't overloaded on Buddy Reads yet... just gives us something to respond to when we get there...

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Iniya wrote: "Sedat wrote: "I was gonna come and say "I'm in" then I saw 1 full page of discussions, the br hasn't started yet! What the hell? Lol"

Same feeling :-P I started this book a while back, and was stu..."

This is definitely a series about flawed characters... (view spoiler)[Dalinar regains confidence that he's not crazy over time... (hide spoiler)]

[Em*Greedy* (Iniya)]

Iain wrote: "Iniya wrote: "Sedat wrote: "I was gonna come and say "I'm in" then I saw 1 full page of discussions, the br hasn't started yet! What the hell? Lol"

Same feeling :-P I started this book a while bac..."

oh I'm impatient though.. His POV's are gloomy..!

[Em Lost In Books]

I remember the first time I read WoK, PoV of Dalinar used to put me to sleep. but on the re-read they became one of the best chapters (after Kal's, of course). these chapters have lot of information, confusing though in the start but they does make sense as you progressed in the series.

[Em Lost In Books]

so give him some time, i hope you will end up liking him. :)

[Em Lost In Books]

Iain wrote: "I won't be starting my re-read for another few days, I don't think......"

how many times have you read this?

[Em*Greedy* (Iniya)]

Manju wrote: "I remember the first time I read WoK, PoV of Dalinar used to put me to sleep. but on the re-read they became one of the best chapters (after Kal's, of course). these chapters have lot of informatio..."

I think that makes sense ;-) I'll be patient :-)

[Em Lost In Books]

oh I so want to re read first two books!

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Manju wrote: "Iain wrote: "I won't be starting my re-read for another few days, I don't think......"

how many times have you read this?"

Just the once... but I've read the rest of his stuff in the meantime... so I KNOW things now :)... and I can pay closer attention to the epigraphs...

[dianis.]

Hey! So I'm gonna start this now and I'm terrified of how long it it'll take me to finish. Especially because I have exams in 2 weeks and won't be able to read much.
Let's see how this goes!

[Lena]

Audio helps Diana.

[Em*Greedy* (Iniya)]

Reached 27th chapter, and now in My favorite POV which is Kaladin's. (view spoiler)[ Dalinar finally went to battlefield but is still having conflicts,,, I don't like the way he is trusting Sadeas.. Hope his trust doesn't hurt him too much.. Waiting for his confusions to be resolved...

Kaladin, on the other end, is still struggling with his Bridgemen... (hide spoiler)]

[Blandio]

Sorry for starting early. I read the date wrong ;P

[EchoBaz(Unofficial World's Fastest Reader)]

Man this sucks! The past few days I've felt so tired, so I haven't been in a state of mind where I can absorb the books words.

[Lena]

Found the door to my future library.

[EchoBaz(Unofficial World's Fastest Reader)]

God! I've done it again.

Sorry about this, but I need to be honest with myself. I don't want to continue this book. I don't know why, and I've spent the last few hours trying understand why, but I can't. What I do know is that I want to read something else.

Why do I keep doing this to myself?

[Lena]

It happens. Try again next year.

[Brian]

It happens. I’m loving this but I felt like that when I read Mistborn. Sometimes external stuff can make a great book seem not so great. That’s the great thing about books though....:there is always more. 😀

[Dani]

Hi guys, for anyone who cares to know I'm out. I've been stuck at chapter 24 for the past week (i did not read the date wrong but took a head start since I'm a s-l-o-w reader) and after some careful consideration I decided to not keep torturing myself and give up. It was just too much of an uphill struggle to read this. All my buddy reads seem cursed or something.

@Zaara - sorry to do this to you... again.... words fail me :-((((((((

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Here I was, coming to say I'm starting my re-read today, only to find I missed all these bow-outs...

Anyone else's notifications all saying Invalid Date?... started yesterday...

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Thoughts on re-read:

Prologue: (view spoiler)[I feel so bad for Taln(view spoiler)[regardless of what he said near the end of Oathbringer (hide spoiler)] (hide spoiler)]

Prelude: (view spoiler)[ Lookie here... first mention of one of (view spoiler)[Shalash (hide spoiler)]'s depictions being missing/destroyed (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 1: (view spoiler)[Visible air disturbances around Kaladin (view spoiler)[proto-Sylphrena letting herself be seen by random people? (hide spoiler)] (hide spoiler)]

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

I'm probably going to do that commenting on notable things in each chapter... they should be safe to click... anything that's a real future-knowledge spoiler will be in another set of spoiler tags inside... click THOSE at your own risk... altho so far, even those are minor/vague comments, I think... we'll see how explicit I get in the future, once I/we get to the meat of the story... nothing like Scott's awesome Malazan Dissections...

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Chapter 7: (view spoiler)[ Talenelat-Elin, Bearer of All Agonies (view spoiler)[How did this bridgeman know this?... Is this an early Death Rattle?... or is this referring to something OTHER than the fact Taln is the Herald left to suffer in Damnation alone?... (hide spoiler)] (hide spoiler)]

[Sha]

Iain wrote: "Anyone else's notifications all saying Invalid Date?... started yesterday..."

Mine are. I was wondering if it was because of me meddling with my laptop clock, but apparently not.

[Sha]

Also this is one of my absolute favourite books I wonder if that opinion will change on a re-read.

//sobs because eshonai

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Sha wrote: "Also this is one of my absolute favourite books I wonder if that opinion will change on a re-read.

//sobs because eshonai"

Don't get me started on Eshonai... that's book 2, mostly, anyway...

I'm hoping to be more forgiving of Kaladin's depression this time around... but I can feel my opinions about Shallan in books 2-3 coloring my perceptions of her in book 1 a bit (negatively)...

[dianis.]

Iain wrote: "Sha wrote: "Also this is one of my absolute favourite books I wonder if that opinion will change on a re-read.

//sobs because eshonai"

Don't get me started on Eshonai... that's book 2, mostly, an..."

I am actually enjoying Kaladin's POV more than the one of Shallan. The depression aspect is making me enjoying it even more haha

[dianis.]

Lena wrote: "Audio helps Diana."

Yeah, actually I'm hearing the GA, thanks!

[Lena]

That’s great. I’ll continue reading starting the 10th. I have about 200 pages to go. Knowing you guys are with me will push me to finish!

[Lena]

Iain remind me who Shalash is?

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Lena wrote: "Iain remind me who Shalash is?" (view spoiler)[Herald of Beauty, associated with Creativity and Honesty... after breaking the Oathpact she started going around destroying all images of herself on Roshar (hide spoiler)]

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

I finished Part 1, read Part 2, and started Part 3 at work last night...

I find myself shaking my head a lot when a character shows up, thinking Oh, *insert name here*... so many character have such rocky roads ahead of them...

The Chasmfiend Hunt: (view spoiler)[Dalinar seems to glow... I'd forgotten this tidbit (view spoiler)[since it takes 2 whole books for Dalinar to become Radiant... (hide spoiler)] (hide spoiler)]

The epigraphs in Part 2: (I list some epigraphs in here and their references to Elantris, Mistborn, and White Sands... further Stormlight Archive spoilers are buried in deeper tags)(view spoiler)[

"Ati was nice once, and look how he turned out... Rayse has always been loathsome" -- it had been so long since I read Mistborn when I first read this that I missed it... Ati is the avatar of Ruin...

"In case you have turned a blind eye to that disaster, know that Aona and Skai are both dead, and that which they held has been Splintered. Presumably to prevent anyone from rising up to challenge Rayse. " -- and now I know these are the avatars of Devotion and Dominion from Elantris...

"You have accused me of arrogance in my quest. You have accused me of perpetuating my grudge against Rayse and Bavadin. Both accusations are true. " -- and I know Bavadin is the avatar of Autonomy on Taldain (White Sands), mostly from the wiki... interesting, in connection with the theorized correspondence from Bavadin (view spoiler)[to Hoid (hide spoiler)] in the epigraphs of Oathbringer: (view spoiler)[

"Cephandrius, bearer of the First Gem,

You must know better than to approach us by relying upon presumption of past relationship. You have spoken to one who cannot respond. We, instead, will take your communication to us--though we know not how you located us upon this world. We are indeed intrigued, for we thought it well hidden. Insignificant among our many realms. As the waves of the sea must continue to surge, so must our will continue resolute.

Alone.

Did you expect anything else from us? We need not suffer the interference of another. Rayse is contained, and we care not for his prison. Indeed, we admire his initiative. Perhaps if you had approached the correct one of us with your plea, it would have found favorable audience. But we stand in the sea, pleased with our domains. Leave us alone.

We also instruct that you should not return to Obrodai. We have claimed that world, and a new avatar of our being is beginning to manifest there. She is young yet, and--as a precaution--she has been instilled with an intense and overpowering dislike of you. This is all we will say at this time. If you wish more, seek these waters in person and overcome the tests we have created.

Only in this will you earn our respect." (hide spoiler)] (hide spoiler)]

[Beste]

I was so looking forward to this book and now I don't know when I will start this. 1007pages is scary long.

[Zaara]

Beste wrote: "I was so looking forward to this book and now I don't know when I will start this. 1007pages is scary long."

And nothing that you can't handle, you!
So read with us.

No Dani?
Were you fearing I wouldn't show, Dan?
See I'm here.
+ no Morte either?
Oh the irony....
😂😂😂😂
Never mind you two. No pressure, no fuss + there are always other books.

But still 😂😂 & where the heck is that Shivorn?

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Catching up on Temeraire and Obsidio and something else, I think...

I'm already on Part 4, Chapter 55 I think... post some more thoughts after work...

[Zaara]

Iain wrote: "Catching up on Temeraire and Obsidio and something else, I think...
I'm already on Part 4, Chapter 55 I think... post some more thoughts after work..."

Hmmm.
Thanks for all the spoilers...

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

Zaara wrote: "Iain wrote: "Catching up on Temeraire and Obsidio and something else, I think...
I'm already on Part 4, Chapter 55 I think... post some more thoughts after work..."

Hmmm.
Thanks for all the spoile..."

My spoilers are dangerous... they mention events in certain chapters, then tempt you with REAL spoilers in deeper tags that most people probably shouldn't click...

First-timers should just read the top level stuff as things to pay attention to... things that might seem innocuous if not paying close attention, basically... altho I burned through the book too fast to do that with every chapter...

[Sarah]

So many of you guys are already so far in.

I won't be starting until tomorrow....

[Timelord Iain, Tech Support]

I'm almost done with my re-read now... the ending sequence is great... still love it... the Kaladin's (view spoiler)[depression (hide spoiler)] is easier to bear on re-read, and is probably my favorite of the 3 storylines after reading Words of Radiance and Oathbringer...

I guess I'm on the Kaladin-train now guys!... :D

Cusicesh: (view spoiler)[is speculated to be(view spoiler)[the 3rd Bondsmith spren, and so maybe another "godspren" like the Stormfather and Nightwatcher... possibly referred to as The Sibling in some Gem Library epigraphs in Oathbringer (hide spoiler)]... this might explain why sudspren only appear in Iri (hide spoiler)]

Almost all the Death Rattle epigraphs have meaning, now, after Oathbringer (and WoR): (view spoiler)[

You've killed me. Bastards, you've killed me! While the sun is still hot, I die! -- (view spoiler)[Possibly refers to the death of Jezrien at the end of Oathbringer (view spoiler)[by Moash (hide spoiler)] (hide spoiler)]

“Victory! We stand atop the mount! We scatter them before us! Their homes become our dens, their lands are now our farms! And they shall burn, as we once did, in a place that is hollow and forlorn.” -- this one is HUGE given the revelations in Oathrbinger (view spoiler)[this sounds reminiscent of the revelations that humans are the Voidbringers and the Parshendi are the Dawnsingers... but since the Death Rattles are all actually foretellings, this has more to do with the Battle of Kholinar (hide spoiler)]

“I'm standing over the body of a brother. I'm weeping. Is that his blood or mine? What have we done?” -- I've seen this attributed to (view spoiler)[ the flashback to Tien's death (hide spoiler)] but I think it could also refer to the inevitable fight between (view spoiler)[Kaladin/Moash (hide spoiler)]

A woman sits and scratches out her own eyes. Daughter of kings and winds, the vandal. -- pretty clear reference to (view spoiler)[Shalash, daughter of King Jezrien (Herald of WIndrunners) in hindsight (hide spoiler)]

Re-Shephir, the Midnight Mother, giving birth to abominations with her essence so dark, so terrible, so consuming. She is here! She watches me die! -- Pretty direct references (view spoiler)[ to the events in Oathbringer, Part 1, if I remember correctly... (hide spoiler)]

They come from the pit, two dead men, a heart in their hands, and I know that I have seen true glory. -- I pointed this out when I read Words of Radiance, but this is (view spoiler)[when Kaladin and Shallan survive their fall into the Caverns and come back with a gemheart... (hide spoiler)]

I see them. They are the rocks. They are the vengeful spirits. Eyes of red. -- Thunderclasts

Let me no longer hurt! Let me no longer weep! Dai-gonarthis! The Black Fisher holds my sorrow and consumes it! &&& The burdens of nine become mine. Why must I carry the madness of them all? Oh, Almighty, release me. -- (view spoiler)[I assume this happened just before the end of Way of Kings, when Taln shows up... clearly he does some healing in Words of Radiance, considering his opinion on the matter in Oathbringer... (hide spoiler)]

All is withdrawn for me. I stand against the one who saved my life. I protect the one who killed my promises. I raise my hand. The storm responds. -- more Death Rattles about (view spoiler)[Kaladin/Moash (hide spoiler)]

They break the land itself! They want it, but in their rage they will destroy it. Like the jealous man burns his rich things rather than let them be taken by his enemies! They come! -- Pretty clearly the mentality of (view spoiler)[the Fused (hide spoiler)]

Light grows so distant. The storm never stops. I am broken, and all around me have died. I weep for the end of all things. He has won. Oh, he has beaten us. &&& I hold the suckling child in my hands, a knife at his throat, and know that all who live wish me to let the blade slip. Spill its blood upon the ground, over my hands, and with it gain us further breath to draw. -- I dunno what these mean, but they sure speak of Dark Days to Come, I think... (hide spoiler)]

spoiler-tags galore... I think that's enough for now :)

[Yanique, Thread Master]

Sarah wrote: "So many of you guys are already so far in.

I won't be starting until tomorrow...."

I just decided to join this today. Will start tomorrow also!

[Siobhan]

I'm scared to read any of this thread because things you rereaders/fast readers don't consider spoilers are in fact things that still spoil enjoyment for me and others...

Thanks for tagging as much as you can though, Iain. :)

Zaara, you want to start tonight? I am still in the middle of Temeraire but can try and read the first chapter tonight. :)

Dani and Morte, sorry you're not feeling it! Maybe one day you'll feel like picking it up again. :)

[Siobhan]

Also, my English copy is split into two 600 page books. Bite size chunks.... Scary shit! Haha.