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Jul 07, 2014 02:49PM
What do u think happened to the room of requirement after it was attacked by fiendfyre - was it damaged irreparably and no longer worked, or do u think that later students were able to use it?
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I don't know...It seems like Fiendfyre, being magical, should destroy a room, but the Room of Requirement would be able to appear unburned to anyone who needed it. I suppose it depends on which magic is more powerful.
Well...considering that the purpose of the room of requirement was to act as whatever the seeker needed, I think it'd be fine. That particular option - a place to hide things, might be all charred or whatever. Maybe the fire simply vanished when the room did. Or maybe it would forever be on fire....I don't really know. But I think the room would still be able to be used as other things.
I think that I read hat it didn't work anymore, but I'm not sure of the source of this information...
I agree with Kristen. The Room would probably still be completely usable, but the Room of Hidden Things would suffer fire damage. I think you'd still be able to go inside there though.
its weird... i think it might follow the theory of mcgonnagal's abt vanished things - how they go into "non-being, which is to say, everything" - where exactly are all the other rooms? technically, the other rooms arent really connected to The Room of Hidden Things, so one would imagine that the others would be fine. But it depends if the spell was damaged or not... i think Harry wonders briefly if it would work afterwards.
this sorta hurts my brain ;)
If the room was closed before the magic of the fire destroyed it then the fire and everything in the room would have vanished meaning the fire would go out. If the fire destroyed the magic before the room closed then the room of requirement would be no more.
Tim wrote: "... If the fire destroyed the magic before the room closed then the room of requirement would be no more. "If the fire destroyed the magic before the room closed, the room would not have closed.
One might well think that but the fire may well have destroyed the room and it folded in on itself when it died. After all the room itself was magic so if it was destroyed it would close right?
It all comes down to what came first the close or the destroying of the spell.
Tim wrote: "One might well think that but the fire may well have destroyed the room and it folded in on itself when it died. After all the room itself was magic so if it was destroyed it would close right?"If it was the magic that made the room close, once the magic is destroyed, it loses it's power to do anything at all.
At the time of the fire, the room was in existence. Whatever it was before that doesn't matter.
At least, that's what I think.
The books don't really go too deeply into the mechanics of magic. A room like this one might exist alongside all the other possible options, and are just not visible until needed. I don't really see how the room could come into existence and cease to exist based on desire and need, since everything in the rooms exist - every item in the room of hidden things was physically put there by Hogwart's students or staff or whoever. Those things can't just cease to exist because the room does.
Tim wrote: "It all comes down to what came first the close or the destroying of the spell."We don't actually know that the spell was able to be destroyed...or if the fire would have done it.
well, the horcrux spell was definitely destroyed by the fiendfyre... and if that's able to be destroyed, i would imagine tht the spell for the room of requirement may be able to too. Also, i dont know if im making this up, but magic that isnt finite wont hold - everything in this world has a beginning and end. So it doesnt match with the theory of the universe that the spell cant be destroyed - if it can be made, personally i believe it can be destroyed.
The book doesn't say but I always thought it to be like the vanishing cabinets with a twist. When the room is closed everything in the room is elsewhere. When the room is open everything that was in it is transformed into what ever the user desires or has need of. When the fiendfyre spell burned out in elsewhere what was left could be transformed again. When things burn they aren't totally destroyed they are transformed to ash. That ash could then be transformed by the room back into what ever even the potions book of untold value. The vanishing cabinets however where tricky things that broke often. The room was made by someone of great power and wisdom to have not broken in so long a time. The spell may well have done it in.
B wrote: "well, the horcrux spell was definitely destroyed by the fiendfyre... and if that's able to be destroyed, i would imagine tht the spell for the room of requirement may be able to too. Also, i dont k..."The horcrux spell wasn't destroyed, the horcrux itself was. The horcrux was only one item of many in a complex spell. Destroying one item didn't affect the others.
Just like with the horcruxes, the magic making the room of requirement what it was, may just be one small piece to a much bigger spell or magical element.
Personally, I think the room of requirement is just one small part of the magic that makes Hogwarts what it is.
The school almost described as a living thing. It was capable of thinking and making judgements by the way it gives aid to anyone who asks and deserves it.
I think the room of requirement is another manifestation of it's personification. Hogwarts is the thing that senses what specifics the person who is seeking the room is in need of. And then the room manifests.
If that is true, I don't know that the concept of the room of requirement would be able to be destroyed unless Hogwarts was completely destroyed.
Tim wrote: "The book doesn't say but I always thought it to be like the vanishing cabinets with a twist. When the room is closed everything in the room is elsewhere. When the room is open everything that was ..."I might agree with the comparison, except with the vanishing cabinets, the sole purpose was to transport things from point A to point B.
You put one thing into the cabinet and it shows up at point B. Unless broken, and then it sort of floats out in the middle of nowhere for a while at least.
The room is much more complex and unlike the cabinets, there is no point B for the things to go to.
Assuming your idea is correct, every option in the room of requirement would be in the 'cabinet broken' stage forever.
Also, as soon as the room closed any birds or pixies or whatever were in the room would have been dead like the bird that Draco was trying to transport.
But I agree with your idea that the things transform when the room closes. Sort of....It would have been helpful if Rowling would have given a bit more of the mechanics. The only option I can really imagine is a parallel universe idea. Which is sort of discredited in Prisoner of Azkaban....
But anyway, I don't think the fire was powerful enough to destroy the room. I think the room closed and the fire was put out. Any time in the series when 2 different spells clash, the more powerful one wins. And I think the room was alot more powerful than the fire.
Especially since (as I said in my previous post) I think that the room was only part of the magic of Hogwarts.
Kristen wrote: "B wrote: "well, the horcrux spell was definitely destroyed by the fiendfyre... and if that's able to be destroyed, i would imagine tht the spell for the room of requirement may be able to too. Also..."If the spell wasn't destroyed, then where did the piece of Voldemort's soul go? Why shouldn't the spell be destroyed? A spell needs to be attached to something material in order to exist - where would the spell go if the object was destroyed? The night Voldemort killed Harry's parents, the piece of Voldemort's soul flew to the nearest living thing, which was Harry. But this can't apply to the Horcruxes , firstly because they don't attach to living things, but also because then the Horcrux would never be destroyed. If the spell isn't destroyed, then i don't see how the the soul is gone, or wherever it goes when a Horcrux is destroyed.
But what you said about destroying one item not affecting the others - personally, i think that on the contrary, it HAS to affect the others. When the physical Horcrux is destroyed, the soul is obviously affected. I don't know if it's destroyed too, or if it's reunited with the original piece, but my guess is the latter, because only remorse can truly heal it. So the only thing left for the piece of the soul is, a) to disappear into non-being, which seems unlikely - i mean, what does a soul do there? If we're holding by the "moving on" theory, i think that the soul somehow needs some sort of closure, some place to go on to afterwards. Which leaves only one more option i can see, which is, b) the soul being destroyed, in which case proves that when one item of a spell is tampered with, they all are affected, especially when they are so closely intertwined and co-dependent on each other. The soul cannot be tethered to the physical world without a physical object to attach itself to, which is either a body or an object that together with the soul is made into a Horcrux; and the object is nothing without the soul. If the object is destroyed, the soul is definitely affected - the question is how, and judging from the whole journey of destroying Voldemort in the sixth and seventh book, it seems that the soul is destroyed along with the object. And if the soul is destroyed, then where is the spell? It seems obvious that if an item of a spell is tampered with or destroyed (especially with a complex spell), then the spell can no longer function - a vital ingredient is missing. If all the items are needed to construct the spell, it seems to follow that if one object is destroyed, the spell collapses without it.
So anyway, connecting back to the Room of Requirement, it seems that the spell would need something physical to tether itself to. I guess the question is if the room was destroyed, or maybe damaged, but still in functional condition...?
B wrote: "If the spell wasn't destroyed, then where did the piece of Voldemor..."If, by your thinking, the spell were destroyed when a horcrux was destroyed, then after the diary, the entire spell would have been broken and there would have been no more immortality for Voldemort. But that wasn't the case.
I sort of think of it like the part of his soul went into a container. Once the container is broken, that part is gone. It doesn't destroy the other parts or the spell as a whole though.
Concerning Harry - Voldemort was performing the spell at the time. That's the only reason a piece of his soul latched onto Harry. Harry was the one he intended for the sacrifice to make the spell work. Which makes me wonder what object he was trying to turn into a horcrux....
But what you said about destroying one item not affecting the others - personally, i think that on the contrary, it HAS to affect the others.
I'm basing that on the fact that Voldemort had no clue that the horcruxes were being destroyed. Also, they all functioned perfectly independently of one another. Their power did no weaken as each was destroyed. Or else, the snake would have been barely able to move by the time Neville kills it.
In a series like this, anything could be possible since so much is left unsaid about these particular things. But I disagree with you. It's never specified that anything comes after. For all we know Dumbledore could have been in limbo until that scene with Harry at the train station, but everyone else just ceased exist when they died.
Personally, I don't think that's the case. But as far as Voldemort is concerned, I think he forfeited his opportunity to "move on" when he divided up his soul hoping for immortality. He was so sure of himself, he wasn't concerned with what would happen if he failed.
I mean, the ghosts in the book can't ever move on because they made a choice not to and can't change it. I believe it's the same with Voldemort.
A point I would like to point out the ghost can move on as they fade away, and ghost don't always have a choice for instance those summoned by the stone, as well as some spells like the one when the wands matched cores. We farther can't relate fully our world to hers as it is clear that things work there that don't in our world.
The biggest unresolved issue is why did this fabulous book series end so badly? Here's the correct ending. Harry and Voldemort fight to the end when both appear to be killed. But Jenny (it should really have been Hermione), through the sheer force of her love, revives a spark of life in Harry because the true thing that separates the two combatant's is that Harry is loved.And then the trio receives a hero's welcome when they return. As it was, no one hardly knew they were there. And the post-script: pointless.
My theory is that J. K. Rowling was sick of the story and just wanted it over. She apparently had too much editorial control as the book was 700 pages with 300 pages of camping. An ending everything landed with a thud and could have soared. A very disappointing anti-climax to the best piece of late 20th Century literature in the English language . What do you think?
im not sure that's really an unresolved issue....
As we see snippets from the world still now and again I can't say I agree.
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