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I could also figure out a way to toggle more "if" functions witha another column for "complete". So that the pages only tallied if there was a "Y" next to it. (I'd prefer not to have to spend time doing that though.)
Thank you, Rob and Saar, glad you agreed with me.I don't usually bother with this kind of thing but my OCD is in pain looking at the scoresheet that's not accurate xD
Also Saar, you can read any kind of books, it doesn't have to be fantasy or sci-fi
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Any genre is allowed. The only downside is that some might not get you challenge bonus points. Other than that minor issue, anything is game.
Rob wrote: "I could also figure out a way to toggle more "if" functions witha another column for "complete". So that the pages only tallied if there was a "Y" next to it. (I'd prefer not to have to spend time ..."Don't. You have done enough man! Seriously, I'll buy you a drink if we're in the same city!
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Agreed. I'm going to try and organize our scorecard so that at least we know how we're doing lol. I'll see about managing our team's spreadsheet better too as soon as I have a moment.
Petrik wrote: "Rob wrote: "I could also figure out a way to toggle more "if" functions witha another column for "complete". So that the pages only tallied if there was a "Y" next to it. (I'd prefer not to have to..."Fantasy Buddy Reads New York Metro area meetup then :) Though that'd be a loooong flight for you.
I don't know if it's worth the effort, but if you really want to add a function to only add read books we could add two columns, the first for a read date, it stays blank until you truly read it, then a column behind the 'Total book points' for 'true total book points' (ok... we should find a better name :D). When you fill in =if(B4=' ',0,J4) the last column should show the total only if you add a reading date. If the date is blank the score is zero (B must be the date column and J the total book score). And of course, the total score must be calculated with the last column then... I hope this make any sense I'm not good at explaining stuff...
Rob wrote: "Petrik wrote: "Rob wrote: "I could also figure out a way to toggle more "if" functions witha another column for "complete". So that the pages only tallied if there was a "Y" next to it. (I'd prefer..."I'll go to that :-)
Anni wrote: "I don't know if it's worth the effort, but if you really want to add a function to only add read books we could add two columns, the first for a read date, it stays blank until you truly read it, t..."Anni - why don't you try tweaking your sheet with a proposed formula and showing it to me.
Rob wrote: "Anni wrote: "I don't know if it's worth the effort, but if you really want to add a function to only add read books we could add two columns, the first for a read date, it stays blank until you tru..."I made a copy of my sheet because I don't want to mess things up, maybe you could take a look? :) It's named Copy of Anni.
It only counts the words for book 1 because this one has a date.
Anni wrote: "Rob wrote: "Anni wrote: "I don't know if it's worth the effort, but if you really want to add a function to only add read books we could add two columns, the first for a read date, it stays blank u..."got it, thanks. gives me an idea :)
Saw your changes, this is even better and exactly what I thought of first. But it didn't work out as I tried... Maybe I messed up the brackets on my phone :DI think it's me who should thank you, the sheet is amazing and makes things so much easier! ;)
Anni wrote: "Saw your changes, this is even better and exactly what I thought of first. But it didn't work out as I tried... Maybe I messed up the brackets on my phone :DI think it's me who should thank you, ..."
you're welcome.I should have done what you suggested right from the start though. I'll implement it for everyone later this evening.
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Yes, you should only input books you have read.
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Here's a question, that maybe the mods might want to discuss?This won't apply for a good long while, but will there be bonus points for completing a challenge (if started at the beginning of 2018)?
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This won't apply for a good long while, but will there be bonus points for completing a challenge (if started at the beginning of 2018)?"
We are already in discussion about bonus points, but we won't be announcing anything until we've worked out all the kinks of the basic setup. :) Great suggestion though!
Gotcha, yeah I'm not trying to add anything more on top of what's currently being figured out haha. That just popped into my head as I've been seeing all the challenges updates, so I figured I'd ask =]. Thanks Jenna!
Sorry to be a buzzkill but what's gonna happen if people signed up aren't participating?
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On the other hand, I wouldn't be too concerned just yet... some people are still wrapping up 2017 books that don't count... and others just don't have time to read as much as others... so they're just participating at their own rate... that's why Niki and the mods tried to balance the teams on books read... considering how close some of the team scores have been, I think it's been a success thus far...
Iain wrote: "There is a stipulation in the rules about participation, but it functions on a more long-term basis I think... so next time there are signups added, those teams would get replacements... but I don'..."That's true about the scores being somewhat close. I was just worried because of the same things you mentioned about replacements and the team getting too far behind.
Hopefully everyone participates and it doesn't become an issue.
What about book with an audiobook as most popular edition on goodreads? Captain's Fury for example only got 20 pages... This would be pretty unsatisfying...
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Not sure we need to have the librarians change anything this time... there is a reason after all... if anything, goodreads could use a new field in their book data, so a book can have a page count and an hours count...
I know that the 20 pages indicate the hours of the audiobook, I just want to know if it is according to the rules to use the pagecount for the second popular edition ;)I'm a goodreads librarian myself, but I won't want to change the pagecount because it's widly used this way with one page per hour...
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A small clarification - does "All genres" mean non-fiction? Like say history or biography?
@Arkadeb: Yes, that includes it too.
Saar wrote: "@Arkadeb: Yes, that includes it too."Excellent! Thanks :)
Sorry if it’s been asked before ... does a buddy read count if I take more than 1 month to complete the book?
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Iain is correct - we understand that some people are speed readers and some like to take their time. As long as you started around the time as the group, you can count it towards your challenge if that's why you're asking. Also, as Iain mentioned, it has to be started in 2018 to count toward the challenge.
...and those forced to take their time by insane school/work/life distractions...
Chris wrote: "...and those forced to take their time by insane school/work/life distractions..."That would be me. Work is insane right now.
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We were wary, since it almost feels unfair the way me and Choko can schedule a Buddy Read like this and finish it within a day or 2...
Niki had this to say on the subject:
I'd ask in the main rules for the challenge if the other mods think that's okay. I'm of the mindset that if you're both changing schedules to read a book at the same time and are making an effort to discuss it (in an official thread here) then it should count. Not that either of you need help with points. ;P
Given we did this once before already with Heart on Fire @ https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/... and Margret said there was little reason to add it to the Master List, I also floated an idea of just giving us a folder and we can make the threads ourselves in the future, if we keep doing this, and it's okay...
I don't think I see any question related to short stories or anything under 7,500 words. Do they count as well for this team challenge?
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You'd have to read a lot of short stories under 10-30 pages to start gaining any sort of edge on the fact that the minimum challenge bonus is 0.1
I see. So a minimum of 10 pages... Which is around 5000 words. Okay, will see at the end of the year if I still need to include them for points :D
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And short story points. Isn't the spreadsheet set up to round everything up even if it falls under .5? I know a lot of things have been tweaked since as started, but I remember all things adding up as a point of emphasis.
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I ran a page count total on the spreadsheet this morning, and we've recorded 112,345 pages to the spreadsheet across all 41 active readers...
Luckily, we're not planning to read the book until next weekend, regardless...
On the topic of pages, the spreadsheet rounds down pages and rounds up bonus points... and does the bonus point calculations before rounding anything (unlike the initial rules, but it doesn't matter since everybody uses the spreadsheet)
So... a 4 page book is worth 0 points, but is worth .1 points in Buddy Read points and Challenge points... the Incomplete Series challenge or the Overflowing Bookshelf challenge are probably the only challenges where that wouldn't be a waste...
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That's good that we have a week. :)
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How Does the Scoring System Work?
Scoring will be based on pages. Since page counts vary among formats, we will accept the highest (rated) page count listed on Goodreads for whatever book you're reading (this is also how you will determine a value for audiobooks).
You will earn .1 points for every 10 pages read, rounded to the nearest tenth (pages/.01). For example:
354 pages = 3.5 book points
866 pages = 8.7 book points
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Suggestion for the future: we should probably increase the number of comments necessary for sign ups.There are plenty of other challenges that are open for all, independent if the person comes here once a week/month or year.
This one requires participation and when people disappear without notice it might damage the chance for a team to even catch up at the future, due to the balancing distribution done when assigning people to teams.
The minimum comments necessary should be much higher, i.e. 500. This would ensure that people is often here, interacting with others.
If new people wants to participate, they would just need to interacting with the group. 25 comments is easily attained in one day.
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Agreed. This was how the sheet was to be completed. I posted it in the notes section on the scoring page of the sheet. Please remove page totals until you have actually completed the book.