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George
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Sep 04, 2017 04:42AM
So i fell on the pages of the so called MRA's. They argue that feminism is about female superiority and they don't even like Emma Watson. What about them? They are just miss-informed or another hate group?
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A marginal group with nothing credible to say. Don't ever open their pages and stay away from them.
That sounds challenging. That can be interesting conversation with them. I need check them out .
Agnes wrote: "That sounds challenging. That can be interesting conversation with them. I need check them out ."I tried to hold a discussion with them but they blocked me in the early stages. They don't seem very apte for discussion.
George wrote: "So i fell on the pages of the so called MRA's. They argue that feminism is about female superiority and they don't even like Emma Watson. What about them? They are just miss-informed or another hat..."Someone has to respond to their allegations right?
I don't have anything against people advocating for the rights of men. It is just a question of what they advocate for.No more putting women down. You can advocate for men without putting others down. If they do put others down tho, then I have a very real problem with them.
Sometimes, it is better to do nothing. We are enough smart to discuss. They don't want to. Why bothering ?
George wrote: "George wrote: "So i fell on the pages of the so called MRA's. They argue that feminism is about female superiority and they don't even like Emma Watson. What about them? They are just miss-informed..."No one needs to do anything about them. They are a marginal group losing its followers already. Emma has made it clear that feminism is about equality since her speech. And as MeerderWorter said if they did not put women down we wouldn't have a problem with them, in time maybe they understand this and stop putting women down, thus becoming feminists.
I overreacted, thank you for making me understand that.
The ones I've come across seem more interested in derailing discussions of women's rights and harassing feminists (the she's not the he's) than doing anything positive for men's needs. I have no reason to seek them out, but if you're a woman with any kind of online following that dares to bring up feminist issues they will find you.
George wrote: "George wrote: "So i fell on the pages of the so called MRA's. They argue that feminism is about female superiority and they don't even like Emma Watson. What about them? They are just miss-informed..."Sometimes they also talk days to you and you don't even reply anymore. It's like stinging in a wasps' nest. Once you piss off one, they come back in groups. Pretty embarassing actually.
Once again, some ignorant people who don't even know what feminism is and act to preserve a society model which is useful to them.
We should do nothing given my experience. I have engaged with them a few times to see what they were about and if they had a point. They are quite simply blinkered and scared of change. If they have some positive input let them make it publicly and not hide behind anonymous accounts in the meantime steer clear is my advice. They are misogynists in the truest sense there fear hidden by hate.
They just don't want to share. Their positions of power. Their influence. Their govt. control. They see the wave of change coming and are scared shitless.
There are pages making fun of them, you might want to follow some of these.
MeerderWörter wrote: "I don't have anything against people advocating for the rights of men. It is just a question of what they advocate for.No more putting women down. You can advocate for men without putting others ..."
I hadn't heard of MRA as a formal group before this discussion, but I wanted to address what you said, MeerderWorter, because "putting others down" goes both ways. There are women's rights activists who put men down, and that's not supporting feminism either in its truest sense. And I do believe there are "men's rights" that need advocating for - not in the sense that women's rights have been advocated, like getting the vote for women. I'm talking more socially. A lot of men hide their emotions for fear of being seen as weak or incorrectly labeled as being part of a group that their not (the most common one is calling an emotional man "gay"). I often see threads on FaceBook about how if we (women) want equality, fine then men will stop holding the door open for us or carrying our bags or giving up seats on the bus for us, etc. I believe (from what I'm reading on this thread) these can probably be attributed to MRA and are incredibly misinformed. The first time I saw such threads, I hadn't yet identified as a feminist, but I still found them absurd. For one thing, I view holding the door open for someone as a common courtesy you should show anyone, despite age, gender, race, etc. It's just how I was raised. And if a man doesn't want to give his seat up for me, I'm perfectly happy and capable of standing. I don't expect that. And I carry my own bags. I have never asked someone to carry my bags just for the sake of not having to carry them myself. The only time I have someone carry/hold my bags is if I need my hands to do something else/if my holding the bags is getting in the way of something I need to do. I couldn't believe that these were the things the posters in the thread were latching onto as a rebuttle toward equality - that they thought this was something that was going to hurt or alter the views of feminists.
Sorry, went on a little rant there...
Ashley wrote: "MeerderWörter wrote: "I don't have anything against people advocating for the rights of men. It is just a question of what they advocate for.No more putting women down. You can advocate for men w..."
I totally agree with you.
As long as someone wants to enact change and holds up feminist ideals, I am totally comfortable with them. But if they put others down, then I have a problem with them. Problem is, many MRAs do just that. Instead of working together with feminists, in order to break down negative social structures and social facts, they do not take this opportunity and what annoys me the most is that they do not listen to others in order to grow and learn.
Ashley wrote: "MeerderWörter wrote: "I don't have anything against people advocating for the rights of men. It is just a question of what they advocate for.No more putting women down. You can advocate for men w..."
MRA online are gross Ashley they are misogynist some unashamedly so rape apologist are common in their number. I have dealt with Radical feminist Groups and MRA, the MRA's are worse.
Ross wrote: "MRA online are gross Ashley they are misogynist some unashamedly so rape apologist are common in their number. I have dealt with Radical feminist Groups and MRA, the MRA's are worse. "I don't mean to push this, but by saying "MRA's are worse" than radical feminists, it seems like you're disregarding the impact radical feminists have on how people view the feminist movement and that radical feminists aiming for women superiority over men is still against feminism ideals. I understand you're saying MRA is the worse of the two, but that doesn't negate the fact that they are both a hindrance to progress.
Ashley wrote: "Ross wrote: "MRA online are gross Ashley they are misogynist some unashamedly so rape apologist are common in their number. I have dealt with Radical feminist Groups and MRA, the MRA's are worse. "..."Not so, I am saying on balance of the two groups MRA's are worse in their treatment of people not to say radical feminists are innocent just in comparison. I could offer examples but they would contravene the content limitations of Goodreads, it is that bad.
To your point on hindrance yes extreme views and the inability of these groups to compromise does prevent them making progress or indeed even engaging effectively
