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message 1: by David (new)

David Staniforth (davidstaniforth) | 7935 comments I've just noticed that the paperback version of my book Imperfect Strangers has been reduced from £7.99 to £6.41. I don't mind the change as I'd rather it be set around this price, but I wonder who takes the hit for the price drop as it's much greater than my mark-up over the minimum list price.

Anyone know?

It has gone to 26,000 in the dead tree chart, so I'm guessing it is connected in some way?


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments I believe your profit stays the same, as the price change was forced upon you.

Can anyone confirm that?


message 3: by Jim (new)

Jim | 21813 comments Patti (baconater) wrote: "I believe your profit stays the same, as the price change was forced upon you.

Can anyone confirm that?"


Having tried to work it out on my fingers over the years, the best I can come up with it 'sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't' :-(


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments I'd be asking KDP, then.


message 5: by Michelle (new)

Michelle (Spiderg1rl) (spiderg1rl) | 734 comments If you've not influenced the price change I see no reason why you should be penalised.


message 6: by Tim (new)

Tim | 8539 comments Mine's been reduced too. Hasn't actually sold any though, going by the rankings.


message 7: by David (new)

David Staniforth (davidstaniforth) | 7935 comments Hmmm. Unresolved then. No point contacting KDP because it's not Kindle. Mine are published through Createspace, but I don't know if they have anything to do with setting the Amazon price.


message 8: by David (new)

David Staniforth (davidstaniforth) | 7935 comments Tim wrote: "Mine's been reduced too. Hasn't actually sold any though, going by the rankings."

The price reduction is not influenced by sales then. A little communication from Amazon wouldn't go amiss.


message 9: by David (new)

David Staniforth (davidstaniforth) | 7935 comments I've emailed Createspace, and will post their reply when I get it.


message 10: by A.L. (new)

A.L. Butcher (alb2012) | 1608 comments I think it is Createspace, but I am not totally sure.


message 11: by Bob (last edited Jun 20, 2014 04:41AM) (new)

Bob Summer | 101 comments David wrote: "I've emailed Createspace, and will post their reply when I get it."

That would be fab. Thank you

Jacquelynn wrote: "I don't know about paperbacks, but I have a feeling that for Kindle books it's the author that pays the bill.

It might be different for paperbacks, particularly if they're not published by Amazon,..."


This is what worries me. I've just received the proof copy of my first paperback (Createspace)and the minimum I can charge to cover cost is £5.30 (0 profit.) I've read the contract but, mmm. Is there anything in there to say 'they' can't go under cost price? I do hope so.


message 12: by David (new)

David Hadley It doesn't have anything to do with the exchange rate does it?


message 13: by David (new)

David Staniforth (davidstaniforth) | 7935 comments No it actually shows on the amazon page as a price reduction RRP £7.99 in grey with the reduced price of £6.41 below.


message 14: by David (new)

David Hadley David wrote: "No it actually shows on the amazon page as a price reduction RRP £7.99 in grey with the reduced price of £6.41 below."

Oh. Dunno then.

Perhaps Amazon have done this:
https://forums.createspace.com/en/com...


message 15: by David (new)

David Staniforth (davidstaniforth) | 7935 comments If that's the case then great, I welcome the lower price. Didn't really want to set it so high in the first place.


message 16: by Tim (new)

Tim | 8539 comments Mine *isn't* through CreateSpace.


message 17: by David (new)

David Staniforth (davidstaniforth) | 7935 comments Tim wrote: "Mine *isn't* through CreateSpace."

That is odd then. If they want to slash their own cut that's their choice, but it seems odd they'd alter yours without permission.


message 18: by Tim (new)

Tim | 8539 comments I wonder if they're price matching Barnes & Noble or similar?


message 19: by Anna (new)

Anna Faversham (annafaversham) | 1752 comments I'd definitely contact some part of Amazon and ask why. It is important and I should have thought they would have contacted you, asked permission or at least let you know their reasons.

Always hold big companies to account because great companies (like Amazon) can forget their suppliers - you and me! Like the supermarkets squeezing the farmers; the farmers have to band together to hold their ground in the 'please pay me' game.

Supermarkets and Amazon have changed our world and we have much to thank them for but, David, you've just shown in your KCD that you a worthwhile supplier. In the long run, you're helping Amazon by drawing attention to this.


message 20: by David (new)

David Staniforth (davidstaniforth) | 7935 comments Tim wrote: "I wonder if they're price matching Barnes & Noble or similar?"

In my case, the PB is only available through Amazon.


message 21: by David (last edited Jun 20, 2014 03:41PM) (new)

David Staniforth (davidstaniforth) | 7935 comments Thank you, Anna, for labeling me as a worthwhile supplier. You hear that, Amazon, I'd like some free advertising. Tim would like some too, if you please. What about you Anna?


message 22: by Rosen (new)

Rosen Trevithick (rosentrevithick) | 2272 comments Amazon have marked down most of my CreateSpace titles and I get the same royalty as I would if they charged full price. Just checked my reports to be sure.

Amazon still make a profit - they make sure of that.

I imagine they do it so customers 'know' they're going that extra mile to get them the best deal.

Amazon also marked down my IngramSpark title, and presumably they have no way of adjusting my royalty with an external company.


message 23: by Jim (new)

Jim | 21813 comments Have you thought of looking through the 'terms and conditions' that you effectively signed before you published through them, they probably make fascinating reading when you work your way down to the nitty gritty :-)


message 24: by David (new)

David Staniforth (davidstaniforth) | 7935 comments Here's the reply from Createspace, not quite as clear as Rosen's:

The royalties you earn from Amazon.com retail sales, as well as sales by other retailers, will be based on the list price, not the selling price. Neither you nor CreateSpace has the ability to change the selling price of your work on Amazon.com.

Amazon.com, as well as other retailers, sets the selling price of items on its website. In some cases, the selling price will be above the list price; in other cases, the selling price will be discounted to a price below the list price. Keep in mind that you set and control the list price of your work, while the selling price and any discounts are set at the discretion of the retailer and are subject to change.

Only you can alter the list price you set in your CreateSpace account.

I hope this provides the clarification you were looking for and it was a pleasure assisting you.


message 25: by Bob (new)

Bob Summer | 101 comments That is fantastic news. Phew. Thanks for sharing.


message 26: by A.L. (new)

A.L. Butcher (alb2012) | 1608 comments Basically you get the royalty of your list price, if Amazon choose to discount it then they take the hit.


message 27: by Anna (new)

Anna Faversham (annafaversham) | 1752 comments Thanks for finding out, David. I don't have any paperbacks, but it is important for us all to feel confident in the mighty zon. They really are, as I said, 'a great company'.

Jeff B hasn't maximised his profits at the expense of the supplier or the customer and I'm glad to see that hasn't changed.

Yes, Tim's definitely a good supplier too. I come in last with just one book, so far! Oh, and a short in the wonderful KUF anthology.


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