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Well, Fishface, I believe I first picked up on this thread because I felt you and I might have some experiences in common. As far as remembering the names of those guys I met, they were so unremarkable at the time, before I knew what they were, that in the heat of a busy emergency department in the middle of a weekend night knife-and-gun club, their names escaped my notice. I do remember what they looked like, though.
Also, we had a specific registration system that gave numbers to what might have been seriously sick or injured patients instead of names, even prior to their arrival, in order to facilitate early order entry for diagnostic testing, and then attached names to the patients long after they left the department.
Is it possible, with your contacts and resources to research sexual predators/ murderers on death row in Columbia, South Carolina, in 1990 or 1991? I do believe I'd recognize the name.
And (not to denigrate your job), I met and talked to at least 20 people in a 12+ hour period under time constraints, some not even able to give me a name.
Rita wrote: "Hari wrote: "Rita wrote: "Hari wrote: "You might think so, but the first one, the guy on death row, had on handcuffs that were fastened to a chain around his belly, and shackles on his ankles for t..."I do have to say I've had a career I would not trade for anything. I've been very lucky.
Very very good point. A point I was going to eventually ask.Charisma to me means you have the ability to hold an audience. To make them like you, listen to you, appreciate you, trust you, etc.
To be appealing and to emotionally sway you. Appealing as in likeable, personality wise, achievement, etc. A likeable personality.
Gacy fit that. He was well liked in the community. He was involved politically, and everywhere he went he was able to emotionally sway people and make people like them. He was a master manipulator. As his lawyer said "he would of been a Mr.Politician, like he was in a prison." before stating that if he was ever released "he would of killed again."
The orange cheeto we have in the white house. He is simply appealing to the lowest common denominator and to people upset at the system. Too stupid to realize he IS the system.
Another family friend said "he had the capability" to become a politician. Even a governor.
I did not know you were talking to Hari.
You want to talk about a bad artist? Look up Charles Manson's work or Ottis Toole's work. They were awful "artist".
I actually have Gacy's art work for my wallpaper [computer]
I put it on once in a while. Most often it's family photos, pictures of my adorable dogs. I call them my babies but I will spare you my gushing over them.
Gary Ridgeway is DULL. He doesnt seem charismatic at all.
Same with Michael Lee Lockhart. You showed his photo but never stated his name. From everything I've seen of him I havent seen anything charismatic about him.
I do find Edmund Kemper to be handsome and he was described as very likeable and one of the reasons why he is my favorite serial killer case is because he is so smart and intelligent, and so good at talking that I can loose my self watching interviews with him. I can listen to him all day and I am not the only one. Very compelling and never boring.
"Hari, you and I clearly do not think the same way. If I had met -- not one -- but two SK's in the course of my job, I would have their names engraved forever on my brain."
I agree.
I am not into wrestling but I "met" ie ran into one of the most infamous pro wrestlers while at the store. Ice was spilled on the floor and I didn't even notice the wrestler and several other people crowding around him.They were taking photos and smiling. Full of joy. Because of the ice and the crowd of people standing around him I just stood there staring at the ice.
I looked up and saw him. Didn't even notice who he was but I did see the people with their phones out clearly thrilled. Took me a few seconds to realize he was a famous wrestler and people were centered around him.
He seemed annoyed and got out of the store in a flash. He walked towards me since I was walking into the store and was like 20 feet from the exit and walked past me. I was literally inches away from him. It was so fast I couldnt get my phone out for evidence.
My mom walked up to me and said "That was John Cena."
and I was like "John Cena was literally inches away from me. AWESOME!"
I aint even into wrestling but that incident is imprinted on my brain.
Hari wrote: "Rita wrote: "Hari wrote: "Rita wrote: "Hari wrote: "You might think so, but the first one, the guy on death row, had on handcuffs that were fastened to a chain around his belly, and shackles on his..."Hari, it is always great when you love your career with compassion, a big heart and do it justice. Fishface and Koren are another two that do it justice. I find it very touching...hugs to all!
Hari wrote: "Thank you, Rita."Your very welcome Hari!
Speaking of charismatic serial killers. I just learned that Ted Bundy worked at a Suicide hotline and was a Republican.
While not as handsome as Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy was also incredibly charismatic. Gacy was very involved in Democratic Party politics.
Gacy is discussed in depth above in this thread, and I think you'll have some folks who disagree about his level of charisma.
I think before he got older and creepier-looking, Rodney Alcala was probably charming as anything. Which is doubtless how he got a slot on -- and won! -- The Dating Game.
Rodney, before
Rodney, after
He'd really need some kind of mysterious pizzazz to make a girl's heart flutter today, even if she had no idea he was a rape-murderer.
You know, he's no serial killer but Jim Jones is certainly a storied supercriminal and he clearly had charisma to spare. You don't get a private-practice attorney to take a low-paying salaried job as an assistant D.A., and then get him to sign over his only son to you, if you don't have a pretty compelling personality.
That is true. Most cult leaders, some of whom are involved in mass murder although generally (generally) not serial murder, have to be charismatic in order to get all those people to follow and believe in them. Along that vein, Manson must have had something, though it's hard to see what. 'Doe' must likewise have had some form of charisma (Heaven's Gate). And Koresh, among others.
Well, Manson always laid it on pretty thick with the girls, telling them how beautiful and perfect they were. And he used the girls to rope in the guys he wanted. How you convince someone that you're Jesus Christ is a question I still want answered.
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Hari wrote: "Rita wrote: "Hari wrote: "You might think so, but the first one, the guy on death row, had on handcuffs that were fastened to a chain around his belly, and shackles on his ankles for the whole visi..."
Hari wrote: "Rita wrote: "Hari wrote: "You might think so, but the first one, the guy on death row, had on handcuffs that were fastened to a chain around his belly, and shackles on his ankles for the whole visi..."
Hari wrote: "Rita wrote: "Hari wrote: "You might think so, but the first one, the guy on death row, had on handcuffs that were fastened to a chain around his belly, and shackles on his ankles for the whole visi..."
Holy cow, that is an incredible story Hari and just one of your hundreds of stories that I would love to read about. Being a nurse is challenging enough but to couple that with the responsibilities of State prisoners as well is mind-boggling! That guard they attacked and tried to hang, not to mention the inadequate security to boot!!! Fascinating and eerie is beyond exciting....dang and double dang!!! Thanks so much Hari and hugs back!