The Diary of a Young Girl
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Anyone else hate this Diary
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Jun 20, 2014 08:30AM
Tytti wrote: "Linda wrote: "I did not enjoy The Book Thief. I found it boring and overrated and couldn't finish it....that was MY opinion and doesn't make it fact.---If you hated the Diary that is your opinion a..."Good point.
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Tytti wrote: "Belle wrote: "Well then you are very dumb.":D
I've noticed that those words are usually used by (American) teenage girls and their opinions don't really mean much to me." touché, Tytti.
Tytti wrote: "Belle wrote: "Well then you are very dumb.":D
I've noticed that those words are usually used by (American) teenage girls and their opinions don't really mean much to me."
Well good because your opinion means absolutely nothing to me. and if that is what you have noticed, then you are not exactly observant.
Mae wrote: "In Finland you can only be courageous in times of war."Not only on wartime, people have been given medals for saving other people's lives. They have usually put their own lives in risk or showed exceptional courage otherwise.
It just has a different, bigger meaning to us. Some people like to describe Finns as brave or maybe even courageous for fighting the Winter War (that was 3.5 million people against 180 million people for those who don't know). Finns just doesn't think like that, we are more stoic. Because what the heck were we/they supposed to do, anyway?
The word is reserved for those who do more than their duty, something more than could be asked for them. A mother can be courageous when saving her children from a burning building (though even that might be iffy)... For firemen its their duty which of course do make them brave in general. (Of course some Finns might disagree with me, but anyways...)
ETA: Usually we think that some act can be an act of/showing courage, but unless he/she constantly acts like that we don't easily say she/he IS courageous. We might mean s/he is bold but that is not always a good thing...
Belle wrote: "and if that is what you have noticed, then you are not exactly observant."Yeah, true, some might even be in their 20s...
haha...
Have just read through all these comments on this thread. My conclusion - Annamika is a bot.
Ronny wrote: "Have just read through all these comments on this thread. My conclusion - Annamika is a bot."Great point! Annamika's comments have about that little depth.
Which brings up a chilling idea--that some programmer has created or is testing a bot Troll that sites like Goodreads can use to falsely pump up hit counts so they can charge more for advertising.
A scary proposition. Larcenous creeps.
What we need are countermeasures--some kind of bot Troll detecting radar. A seek and destroy program that analyzes word combinations.
Jeese, we pay through the nose already for spyware and virus protection. Makes one want to retire from the Web.
You guys are so funny...
When you say that you "hated it" are you trying to say that it didn't make you feel good to read it? It was not a good experience? You knew the subject matter before you read it and assumed you would not enjoy reading it? I felt that way about "The Hunger Games." Having lost a child, I assumed I could never survive reading it. I started it because so many people told me how good it was. I decided, I know the topic and I can put it down at any point I want. I AM IN CHARGE OF ME! I did like it although I had to remind myself that this was "fiction/fantasy." I ALSO HATE THINGS ABOUT THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK. I HATE that it ever had to be written, I HATE that she died. I HATE the insanity that caused it. I HATE any kind of antisemitism (some of which exists even today.) I do not hate that we discovered it and had our eyes open to the atrocities that also still exist today (READ ESCAPING THE TWILIGHT). I will say, you have managed to illicit a major discussion!! lol
I'm sitting here kind of wondering how I would feel about this thread if it were my young daughter who had started it.
I would hope mine would be better than that!!!
Scotti wrote: "When you say that you "hated it" are you trying to say that it didn't make you feel good to read it? It was not a good experience? You knew the subject matter before you read it and assumed you w..."Bravo! Excellent share, Scotti!
Leslie wrote: "I'm sitting here kind of wondering how I would feel about this thread if it were my young daughter who had started it." I don't think anyone has insulted Anamika and although there has been a couple of strong comments she has always had someone backing her up. At any rate if she lives in the US, she would have received a lot worst from her peers. I brought up two kids in the US, I would know. People have reacted strongly, because her statement is a scary statement. And btw, I have twice asked Anamika to speak to her parents about this, I too was concerned.
Anamika wrote: "Thanks for the suggestion Mae,but I can't do according to the last line of your earlier post.I had a little free time earlier so I did make a few notes to post,but I still have to work on it.I th..."
What n earth does that last bit mean......"....don't still stay and exaggerate here"......yep, definitely a CG bot or troll; no normal person comes up with comments like this.
This is far too entertaining to leave......
Anamika: Having started this thread with such bald, unfounded statement in the first place you have then come back onto (your own) thread a number of times when you could just have explained, instead of which we get this nonsensical "I still have to work on it. I think it'll be done in July".
Why would you have to "work" on your reason(s)? You should know them....they're your reasons after all.
Btw - rarely does someone who IS stupid or idiotic actually see it in themselves - it's a perception made from someone else's point of view.
Anamika wrote: "Thanks for the suggestion Mae,but I can't do according to the last line of your earlier post.I had a little free time earlier so I did make a few notes to post,but I still have to work on it.I th..." What do you mean that you "can't do according to the last line of your earlier post"? That you should talk to your parents? Why can't you do that?
If you ask people About hatred that might be a good place to start.And hating books is weird, disliking them if you have actually read them or at lest tried to is strong enough when it comes to literature.
Anamika, no, unless you want to talk about it. But this is not the forum. All you had to answer was--I don't need to to talk to my parents or I don't want to talk to my parents about this. I was concerned about the possibility of you being hurt by some of the comments and that if my daughter was in your situation I would like to be able to help her.As many people have stated, many times already, hate was a very hard word to use, and your subsequent interventions have not made much sense. As a teacher and a mother, I think you should talk to an adult you can trust about this. And again, I am not asking for your life story.
Yeah, and i know someone already said this, but why do you have to think of your reasons Anamika? Why can't you just say them?
Oh this is becoming highly entertaining, like Trixie says! I come i here just to check on which direction the thread is going and it´s still beating the dead horse.Monty J - can use to falsely pump up hit counts so they can charge more for advertising.
You have typed this sentence, with this same phrasing at least a half dozen times - if you don´t want to contribute or feel robbed just shut your Web down and think no more of this.
Anamika - as entertaining as this is, you really need to think about your reasons, your arguments? Don´t you know them already? Or are you going to present us a really long essay about it?
Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore)))((((Scuttle))))(((((Scar, aka Prince Taka))))) wrote: "I believe all her reasons could be typed in ten sentences. That would take approximately 10 minutes with A LOT of thinking. If Anamika needs half a month to write them, they better be in an essay."Maybe with some grapichs and pics to go along....just to catch the eye.
Anamika wrote: "Would you like me to explain my whole life Mae?"Oh for heaven's sake -
just
get
on
with
it.
Ten Sentences? I think she'd struggle with ten words.....
I wonder if any of you remember those Quinn Martin television series from back in the 60's? Things like The Invaders, springs to mind. Anyway - they dragged on and on and on and on andon andon andon.....
Seriously, this is getting interesting… that was good Trixie, I could hear you! Come on lets be imaginative here, try to purge her to give us her reasons. But be nice everyone!
Tra la la - I think she's away with the fairies....
Trixie wrote: they dragged on and on and on and on andon andon andon ..."Or Dallas? On and on and on and still on.....and getting nowhere, too...
Anamika wrote: "Just for a few people,I have tests for which I have to study and can't write one whole composition on the Net right now.I'm sorry for disappointing you Mae,but for a personal reason,I can't speak..."
I don't think anyone expects "one whole composition"...one simple explanation is what most of us here have asked for, and in the numerous times you have come on here you could have provided that.
Not interested in your personal life, whether you have parents, whether you don't have parents, whether you have a cat, dog or hippopotamus....only interested in your use of the word "hate" when applied to something you haven't read.
And still you evade the issue.
I am sorry but if she has a hippopotamus I want to know and see pictures.But that is just the shallow side of me.
Ah well, Mark - that's where we differ, because as I said - I'm not interested...lol
Trixie wrote: "Ah well, Mark - that's where we differ, because as I said - I'm not interested...lol"Come on a hippopotamus is cool, you cannot hate those lovely big mouthed behemoths.
Mark wrote: "Trixie wrote: "Ah well, Mark - that's where we differ, because as I said - I'm not interested...lol"Come on a hippopotamus is cool, you cannot hate those lovely big mouthed behemoths."
My wife hates anacondas even though she has never been to South America - and when she says she hates something, she means it. She finds Basset Hounds repugnant, but I don't think she hates them (well, maybe she does hate the obese ones that wobble a lot when they walk).
I do mot hate anacondas but they scare THE living daylights out of me. My point being how can you hate what you do not know? You can Dear THE unknown and hate that I do think.
Gerard wrote: "Mark wrote: "Trixie wrote: "Ah well, Mark - that's where we differ, because as I said - I'm not interested...lol"Come on a hippopotamus is cool, you cannot hate those lovely big mouthed behemoths..."
I LOVE hippos - pygmy hippos especially....I used to have a collection of them (ornaments sadly, not the real ones as they're a bit big for a normal house) I didn't say I didn't like them, just that I'm not interested what Anamika's personal circumstances are.
Anamika wrote: "I'll tell it in July for certain."I doubt it....and who really cares anyway.
And don't come back at me and say I can leave if I want to...blah, blah, blah....heard it all before.
Hey, I was wondering if we can stop insulting each other's nationalities. I am an American and I have been watching you guys constantly insulting us. I know that Europe is not all beautiful people and rainbow sunshine, either, but just because some of our people on power or whatever are not making the greatest choices is no reason to judge an entire country. A few loudmouthed commenters are not an accurate sample of America. Some of us are intelligent and creative and we appreciate other countries. And generalizing all of the teenage girls and the language is just as bad as the people you are blaming. Stop acting so superior and ignoring people just because your country is older or we are from the U.S. not everything about my country is perfect, but neither is yours.
Olivia wrote: "Hey, I was wondering if we can stop insulting each other's nationalities. I am an American and I have been watching you guys constantly insulting us. I know that Europe is not all beautiful people ..."I love hippos and Americans and they do not compare, unless we are talking American politicians as they share the big mouths with the hippos.
Anybody who reads is intelligent enough in my opinion, but with 65% of the visitors being from the US chances are that a larger proportion of stupid remarks are made by folks from the US.
Olivia you do overreact as all responses are not so much aimed at the US folks but this Anamika US kid.
Olivia wrote: "Hey, I was wondering if we can stop insulting each other's nationalities. I am an American and I have been watching you guys constantly insulting us. I know that Europe is not all beautiful people ..."I don't see anyone insulting Americans. Comparisons have been made in the way we use the English language - as has been explained before, several times, this is NOT an insult. It is NOT a bad thing, simply a statement of fact - we use certain words and expressions in different ways, which I find interesting interesting. I think you've possibly misunderstood, or misinterpreted, these posts.
@Olivia… this has not been US bashing at all. i am American, and we were talking about the differences in the english language between the US and UK. The UK people were right, a young american was sensitive about the comment and felt she was snobed down. She was snarky and unpleasant… but she did apologize for that. There was another comment made about another "whatever"like response… again from an american… At any rate I don't think Anamika is an american teen. She may be a citizen or even a new citizen. I have a feeling she is going to go away, before answering… I do say, that whole hippo discussion was brilliant. And americans need to stop being so sensitive, everyone alive is the same age, I don't know anyone over 100.
I think Olivia was probably just talking about all the comments made about American teens by people like Tytti and such. As a Finnish-American teen, and a rather intelligent one, (yes, I know. High and mighty much?) I can honestly say that the remarks flying both ways are completely unfounded on truth. I love America, I love being Finnish, and teenagerdom is exciting! I wouldn't have it any other way. So, maybe a little cooperation? The real issue here is why Anamika 'hates' the diary, and why she feels the need to come up with reasons, since for some reason she doesn't actually have any at this moment. Loving the hippopotamus exchange, by the way!!!
Sensitive much? Well, I am sorry but "so many feels" or "my emotions" or whatever just sounds stupid. If a person doesn't have anything else to say about a book, I consider the book to be a tearjerker or YA or both (and the person too much of a teen) and I won't read them. The more intelligent books don't get that kind of reviews. Of course some of them might be coming from German teens but for some reason many of them seem to be from Americans. And no, USA doesn't really have a reputation of a country with well educated citizens. And yes, we do like to make fun of it sometimes.
For what it's worth I think Anamika is Indian or of Indian descent.
The name Anamika is common among the Hurds of India. That said, Mae is common in Ireland and in the American south and I am neither. (some Irish blood in me, but mostly Corsican and Spanish). And although Europeans like to make fun of Americans, I have to say that like in every country there are educated people and stupid people. It also happens to be an enormous country of over 200 million! No country has the monopoly of stupid. Because even in educated Europe I have met stupid people.And then there is rude… that also exists everywhere. Lets stop the generalizations, and hope that Anamika has the courage to state her reasons-- which I have a feeling is not going to happen. We will be getting a very wordy explanation of nothing.
Olivia - i didn´t saw any attack on US people or the likes of it! Stupid and rude people are everywhere, in the US, Europe, Latin America, India, etc. I´m from and european country, do not think myself stupid and i can see whatever is wrong in my country as i´m sure you can see also, in yours. The thing that ticks me a bit about americans and i´ve said it a ton of times to my US friends - because i have them, even on this side of the Atlantic - is the sense of rightousness, the feeling that you are always on the right and everyone should follow you, blindly. And the thing that amuses me to no end is the sex scandals in there: we have them here lots, mind you, but we don´t tend to sweep them under the rugg because, who really cares? Come on, who is going to reprimend Mr. Berlusconi on the account of his orgies or as he liked to call it "feste bunga-bunga"? But if it were with an american politician we can be sure that there will be tons of delials before the inevitable confession on some large talk-show tv appearance, were the sinner will appear sad and down.Mae and Trixie merely wanted to explain the language difference between the english spoken in the US and the UK - i mean:do any of you use the word "fagg" for smoking a cigarrete? But that is no bad thing - just happens. I always laugh my socks off whenever i talk to my english friends and they use the words shagg, fagg, etc.
Anywhoo, back on topic - Mae, i think that, as the old saying goes "the mountain will give birth to a mouse", meaning that whatever explanation she has to offer, will never correspond to the hype that is already generated around this topic - it will never be satisfactory.
Below are just a few examples of websites explaining some (not all) the differences between English English and American English. I should have posted this for Belle's benefit as she was in (almost violent) denial that this existed....so, if you're still out there, Belle, this is for you as well. Maybe, finally, this will put an end to this particular aspect of what is rapidly becoming a really Boring Thread, thanks to Anamika's obtuse (look it up online if you need to) behaviourhttp://www.englisch-hilfen.de/en/word...
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/wor...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14...
Well, according to many Finnish exchange students US High School is often equivalent to Finnish upper comprehensive school (where students are 2-4 years younger). And questions like "do you have cell phones" or "do you celebrate Thanksgiving" seem to be quite common...Maria wrote: "the thing that amuses me to no end is the sex scandals in there"
And the preoccupation with sex in general. HS students can't read books that have sex in them? WTF? I just watched the movie The American a short while ago. Wikipedia says: "The film was given an R-rated (Restricted – under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian) rating by MPAA for sexual scenes and strong nudity." In Finland? It was for older than 12/13 yo (can't remember), the age limit was probably because of violence.
Yeah, they showed women's breasts in the movie, big deal. They can show naked people at any time in Finnish tv, and kids don't get traumatized. But with "all" that nakedness and sex (in books and tv), teenage pregnancies are not a big problem in Finland. Funny that.
I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. I understand the language debate. Totally cool with it. (May I point out the word brilliant's different uses(:)Tytti- I know so many British teenagers who say"my emotions" and "so many feels."
This had nothing to do with Anamika's nationality.
And dear Mae, she has said many times that English IS NOT her second language. And I was talking about how America is a relatively new country.
I was simply stating that the few people who try to act like the US is superior is actually a very small group who are very rich and loud. (I agree with whoever made the sex scandal point btw. )
Tytti wrote: "Yeah, they showed women's breasts in the movie, big deal. They can show naked people at any time in Finnish tv, and kids don't get traumatized. But with "all" that nakedness and sex (in books and tv), teenage pregnancies are not a big problem in Finland. Funny that...."If kids lead their whole life not knowing the facts of life - not pornography, mind you - they will certainly get curious, and since they were never talked to about sex in honest and straight terms, they will do it, with no information whatosoever and then bum teen preggo! Information is a weapon of knowledge; censor images and lyrics - now there´s another one: most us artists have to have a version of the songs and videos for the US, with the sanctioned words and then, the original stuff for Europe, where there is no "allowed" words or pictures. It´s kinda funny, really!
Here, they tend to choose the more late hours of the day to show the racy stuff, but if it happens that a movies, in the middle of a saturday afternoon has a boob off or a sex cene, they won´t cutt it, for sure.
I mean, my 7th grade class (13 years old) showed a woman give birth. So that's progressive, I guess
Tytti wrote: Maria wrote: "the thing that amuses me to no end is the sex scandals in there" I must have missed that part of the Frank diary. Granted, I read the play based on the diary since my English teacher was also the theater teacher. And it's been decades since I was in high school. Perhaps I should go back and read the diary proper. I can see hating the diary if there's explicit sexual monologuing.
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