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[Trixie]

Thanks Dee - having read Anamika's profile, she doesn't quite fit.....hmmmm, the mystery deepens ;)

[Dee]

pretty much anyone can be a GR librarian, as long as they have minimum 50 books on their shelves and can say why they want to

[Trixie]

Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore)))((((Scuttle))))(((((Scar, aka Prince Taka))))) wrote: "If you click "Goodreads Librarian" right under her profile picture, you can see everything she has done as a GR librarian."

Yep, and it's not a lot!

[Christina]

Anamika my answer to your question is ...no. I believe you can see from all the above posts in reply to your particular question is that they are also saying, no and that they do not have your same opinion.

[Mae]

Anamika wrote: "Well I do understand that many people oppose me,but I still wanted to know how many have the same opinion as me.

I became a Goodreads Librarian for another reason,not for power or attention." Dear, the time that it took you to respond to this, you could have revealed your reasons for hating AFD.

[Anthony]

Mar, I think she has:)

[Mae]

Anthony wrote: "Mar, I think she has:)" OMG I missed it?? where????? when???? how????

[Joana]

Oh no, another mysterious reason for something, will the suspense never end??

Mae, I didn't see it either, if it happened it wasn't direct :)

[Anthony]

Yes, I think she answered it by not answering it

[Trixie]

Anamika wrote: "Well I do understand that many people oppose me,but I still wanted to know how many have the same opinion as me.

I became a Goodreads Librarian for another reason,not for power or attention."

You want to know how many people oppose you, right? We all want know why you hate this book. You're all "reasons" and nothing else.

[Margot]

I don't get it. Anne frank was 13-14 years old. She spent two years hiding from the nazis. I'm her age and I don't think I would ever have the courage to do what she did. Personally, I I revere both her and the diary. Every time I read it, I cry. I mean, how could people do that? The holocaust was one of history's greatest tragedies, and I think that if you're going to go on the internet and say that you 'hate' the diary of Anne frank, you damn well better be ready for people to attack you. The events of the holocaust must be held with a certain sanctity. That's pretty much a fact unspoken by all of humanity.

[Juniper]

What if everyone decided to blow up this thread with detailed reasons why the diary is such a great piece if history?

[Petergiaquinta]

Or we could do this: we could stop posting, and I promise not to post again.

Here's what I've decided after scanning all the books Anamika has rated. She's a kid, probably a fairly precocious one at her English medium school. English is pretty much a second language for her, although she is passable in conversation. She loves fantasy and series, but only if they aren't too taxing. Anything that requires a more mature response (Tolkien or Brooks) and it's a one-star from her. She loves Agatha Christie mysteries, of course she does, and she fancies that this qualifies as adult literature and gives her a place to make a stand in this world as someone with an opinion that matters (thus her "librarian" status), but she's mistaken. Any books with real "adult" themes or content are the true mysteries to her, and they receive one-star ratings (Catcher in the Rye, Huck Finn, Tale of Two Cities). The one oddity in all her books is a five-star rating of Mill on the Floss, and good for her.

But, it's a mistake to continue on in this thread--all we're doing is giving her attention, and she isn't going to respond to reason or passionate testimonies of the merits of this book--so I am done here, and I'd encourage everyone else to leave it alone as well.

[Monty J]

Juniper wrote: "What if everyone decided to blow up this thread with detailed reasons why the diary is such a great piece if history?"

We'd be rewarding undesirable behavior. Copycat attention-starved trolls like Anamika would rain down, flooding Goodreads with nonsensical trivia.

Ignoring her will discourage them. Stop posting. STO-O-OP! and give her the "silent treatment."

[Tytti]

Petergiaquinta wrote: "as someone with an opinion that matters (thus her "librarian" status)"

Being a GR librarian doesn't mean that. I asked for it because I wanted to combine the books I added to the previous editions. (And correct and add info and covers to books because I always forgot something.) Almost anyone can get it, just ask for it.

[Tytti]

Margot wrote: "I'm her age and I don't think I would ever have the courage to do what she did."

Hmm.. How was she courageous? She didn't actually do anything... other than tried to survive, of course. The people who helped them, they had courage. Besides, in many countries 13-14-year-olds took part in the war effort, one way or another. Some boys even served in the army as messengers in very difficult conditions, and girls helped to take care of the wounded.

[Belle ~carry on my wayward son~]

Tytti wrote: "Margot wrote: "I'm her age and I don't think I would ever have the courage to do what she did."

Hmm.. How was she courageous? She didn't actually do anything... other than tried to survive, of cou..."

agreed

[Mae]

Joana wrote: "Oh no, another mysterious reason for something, will the suspense never end??

Mae, I didn't see it either, if it happened it wasn't direct :)" or indirect either… (Oh I love Mafalda, she is my alter ego)

[Carrie]

I don't know what is more annoying..Annimika's lame unknown reason or Bella. (yes, they are misspelled on purpose)

[Mae]

Tytti wrote: "Margot wrote: "I'm her age and I don't think I would ever have the courage to do what she did."

Hmm.. How was she courageous? She didn't actually do anything... other than tried to survive, of cou..." I disagree with you Tytti. It takes courage to survive, it takes courage to muster a sense of normality when the world is going crazy around you. The Franks certainly tried to continue living as normally as they could. Even to the extent that Anne continued writing and being an adolescent. The fact that other people also did amazing things does not make them any less courageous. Good of Margot to stand up and say what she thinks and why she loved the book so much.

[Tytti]

Yes but that's what they did in all countries that were at war. My father continued to be a boy even when there were bombings and they had refugees living in their home and the rations were so small that those who had to rely only to them were in danger of starving to death (and some did).

[Mae]

Tytti wrote: "Yes but that's what they did in all countries that were at war. My father continued to be a boy even when there were bombings and they had refugees living in their home and the rations were so smal..." that is courage also. that is what I mean. But there is an additional difference… the Franks were being persecuted, humiliated, stripped of everything, including their dignity. For god's sake they were living in an attic. When I saw the attic in person I could not believe it. (I am sorry for all the typos, I am watching the Uruguay England game)

[Trixie]

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/def...

Now I don't know about you, but I reckon the Franks fitted the definition of courageous. The fact that people get on with their lives in the face of such horror does not make them any the less so.

[Mae]

Trixie wrote: "http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/def...

Now I don't know about you, but I reckon the Franks fitted the definition of courageous. The fact that people get on with their lives i..." Totally agree.

[Tytti]

That's not something Finns would call courage, I'd say, because they had no choice. (We might call it 'sisu'...) What men did at the front, that's courage. They faced the Red Army and stood still. Pilots were facing dozens of Soviet planes and still they managed to be effective. They dangered and sacrificed their lives for others. Even our president signed a paper that he knew might get him executed but he did it for the country.

Finns also knew how Stalin had already persecuted Karelians, Ingrians, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians, Poles, too. "An enemy of the people" could lose everything, and so could the people who knew them. So it's not the same but there were ethnic cleansings in USSR, too. Estonian Forest Brothers kept fighting until the 1950s, even when they knew the risks and had no outside support, and the locals kept helping and hiding them.

[Trixie]

That's interesting Tytti - and yet another example of the nuances of our language! Maybe one day Belle will get it ;)

[Joana]

Tytti wrote: "That's not something Finns would call courage, I'd say, because they had no choice. (We might call it 'sisu'...) What men did at the front, that's courage. They faced the Red Army and stood still. ..."

I'd say it's a different kind of courage. You do need some moral strength to keep living a secluded and monotonous life, especially in a dangerous situation. It takes courage to put your life in another person's hands. It takes resilience to jut keep living that kind of life. I've only lately started studying Finnish, but I'd say (correct me if I'm wrong) that both that courage and that resilience are comprised in the word sisu, no? That might be the word for this situation, it's just one of those annoying perfect words with no direct translation ;)

[Tytti]

Trixie wrote: "That's interesting Tytti - and yet another example of the nuances of our language! Maybe one day Belle will get it ;)"

Or differences of national characters (and/or languageS). I think for Finns you have to actually do something to show courage and maybe put your own life in (unnecessary) danger to save others (if we are talking about war conditions). Just survining the best you can doesn't cut it yet. My great-uncle spent days and weeks behind enemy lines on reconnaissance missions and he was just a regular farmer, not a professional soldier. But I'm not sure I'd call him that courageous, either, though they were tough men. He may have DONE something courageous while he was there. (And serving in reconnaissance patrols would have probably meant execution if Finland had been occupied.) But they did have some former Soviets/Russians in their patrols and for them going on missions was courageous, they were not going to be treated as POWs if caught.

[Anna]

The definition of courage is having the mental or moral strength to venture, persevere, and withstand danger, fear, or difficulty; the ability to do something that you know is difficult or dangerous.

Does anybody remember playing hide and seek when they were kids? Remember how quiet you had to be when the person who was IT got close to your hiding place? Remember? Remember how when it was all over, you and your friends would laugh and run off to play tag?

Now imagine that you're playing hide and seek everyday. Every hour, every minute, every second, you are on guard, holding your breath. Your hiding place is a cramped attic. The windows are covered. You are sealed off completely from the outside world. Why? Because the person who is looking for you is not looking to tag you and play a child's game. They are looking for you so they can kill you and your whole family. Why? Because of your religion. Because they believe you are inferior and need to be exterminated, like a filthy pest.

You knew it was dangerous when you hid. You knew that if they found you, it would be a worse fate than if you'd gone along willingly with everyone else. You knew it would be difficult. You knew it would be dangerous. But you had the mental and moral strength to withstand that fear.

I'd call that courage.

[Shadow Chaser]

Liz wrote: "Does anyone else think that this discussion was just to see how many comments Anamika could get? Her vagueness and outright hatred seem to just be pleading for attention."

I agree.

[Tytti]

I am in disadvantage because I am not using my mother tongue that I also use to think. But as my friend just described "courage" (in Finnish) to me, that is when you do something in spite of being afraid. Getting into hiding is what you do when you are afraid, that is sort of a natural reaction.

And Stalin killed ethnic Finns not because of religion (well actually he did that, too, the clergy was usually one of the first groups to be taken) but because of the language we speak. And we chose war, not because we were courageous, but because giving into Stalin's demands wasn't really an option.

Joana wrote: "both that courage and that resilience are comprised in the word sisu, no?"

Maybe a bit... But for me at least it's more like Luther may or may not have said: "Here I stand. I can do no other".

[Margot]

It's true that the act of hiding in the attic didn't necessarily take courage in the way that we generally think of it today. However, I think it took some serious mental bravery. To sit there day in and day out, having to place trust in people and hope they don't turn you in, hearing the sirens and wondering if you're going to be bombed, and hearing the stories of what is happening to other people of your religion, simply because of their religion and the fact that part of the government believes in 'racial purity' takes some doing. I mean, the very fact that they stayed sane throughout that is incredible. Especially for Anne, who was going through this as a young teen after having lived most of her life as a relatively well off girl, it must have been so frightening. That's why I think it took courage to have even tried to survive.

[Alyssa]

I feel that if you just read this book for its entertainment value, then you get what you'd expect. This diary wasn't written for entertainment value, it is a historical document that details an individuals experience of a horrific event. If you want a book that's entertaining, select a different genre, regardless of what I've said above for a person seeking information about an individuals experience of the Holocaust, this is an excellent book.

[Mae]

Eliza wrote: "The definition of courage is having the mental or moral strength to venture, persevere, and withstand danger, fear, or difficulty; the ability to do something that you know is difficult or dangerou..."Well said, and I will add to that, that there are different levels of courage, the kind that saves a nation, the kind that saves one human being. If you talk to soldiers, they will tell you, they don't think of the nation they are protecting while in full combat. They think of staying alive, of protecting their fellow soldiers. When a world leaders makes an important decision that can affect the lives of millions it takes courage. But individual acts of courage by normal people do exist. Sisu sounds like the term "valor" in Spanish.

[Anna]

Thank you, Mae. :)

[Linda]

Of course people will have different reactions to books, that is only normal and as it should be. For example on another post I stated that I did not enjoy The Book Thief. I found it boring and overrated and couldn't finish it....that was MY opinion and doesn't make it fact. I received a lot of vitriol for the comment though, one person told me I didn't have a soul but (as my teenage son would say) whatever...lol. If you hated the Diary that is your opinion and your right, it doesn't make you a bad or evil person. However I just don't understand how you could have hated it before you read it. As I said before that just suggests that you have a closed mind for someone so young and that cannot be a good thing.

[Mae]

Good Anamika!! You are finally purging information. Yes, we have different tastes and that is good, otherwise we would be a really boring world. Our question to you, posted again and again, is what are the reasons for hating a book before even starting to read it. What in the subject, in the genre, about the author, what-- made you hate it? People like the color blue for no reason. Others don't like to eat sweets. But you cannot dislike a book or like a book, like you do with colors and food generally, ( some people don't like certain foods because they are allergic) for no reason at all--"just because people have different tastes". At any rate, you will hardly be able to say in a readers forum, I hate this book, without having people ask you why. That is why some of us are still around, we want to know if you have a reason for not having a taste for this book before reading it.
I for one like a challenge.

[Sara]

Joana wrote: "Tytti wrote: "That's not something Finns would call courage, I'd say, because they had no choice. (We might call it 'sisu'...) What men did at the front, that's courage. They faced the Red Army and..."
Well put

[Trixie]

Anamika wrote: "Well if you want to ignore this thread,go ahead ignore it.Why are you still posting?You have all the liberty to go away.

I don't know about others but I believe that different people have differen..."


Hi Ananmika
You seem to take offence at the thought of English being a second language - I think it was Joodith (not sure now, and don't want to trawl through this thread again) who suggested that English was not your first language by way of explaining your use of the the word "hate" - she was trying, I think, trying to give you a bit of leeway. However - and I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong - you came back at her and assured her that you had used this word intentionally. Her suggestion that English is not your first language was not meant as an insult. The comment was made in a kindly way, I'm sure, so stop being be so defensive about it. It is obvious to anyone reading your comments that it is not your native tongue, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Okay, so that being said - yes, you are right in saying that we all have different tastes, but saying you hate a book before you've read it is not only immature but very provocative. I'll try to put it simply: if someone offered me, for example, a piece of food I'd never eaten before and I rejected it saying - I hate it - that would be wrong. How can I hate something I haven't tried? If I'm offered a steak, though, I would reject that because I am a vegetarian. If I'm offered a glass of wine, I would reject that because I don't like the taste. Anyway, that's the point that is being made time and time again on this thread.

I'm sure you've read books that aren't to my taste - in fact looking at your list of books, there are very few we have in common - many of them I haven't read and am not likely too, but I wouldn't say to you that I hated them before I had read them. It's your statement that you hate something before you've tried it that is getting people wound up

I have come to the conclusion that you're either too young, or too ill-educated to grasp this. Or - you're a computer generated troll.

[Belle ~carry on my wayward son~]

Trixie wrote: "Anamika wrote: "Well if you want to ignore this thread,go ahead ignore it.Why are you still posting?You have all the liberty to go away.

I don't know about others but I believe that different peop..."

well put. i still think once Anamika explains things might calm down a bit.

[Trixie]

In the meantime I'm going to sit outside with my current book - Lionel Shriver "So Much for That", and enjoy the sun.......

[Tytti]

Mae wrote: "If you talk to soldiers, they will tell you, they don't think of the nation they are protecting while in full combat."

No, usually they don't. But if they know that the next line of defence will be their unarmed mothers, wives and children (like it was at the time), I think it will have an effect. This is of course different for soldiers fighting overseas or in an occupied area, not for and on their homeland. (And this might be something that most Americans or British won't understand.) There are even stories of men fighting on their own home yard. Because if they don't fight, they won't have a place to call home anymore, not even a country to call their home country.

In Finnish there is a term "civilian courage". That is often used to describe actions of for example Freedom Riders, suffragettes and other civil rights activists, or maybe even if someone (a civilian) goes in to stop a beating or saves someone from drowning or burning, or when people oppose a totalitarian government. But in any case, you actually have to do something to earn that recognition, to make the choice to help others or to stand up for yourself and/or others. Going into hiding in order to survive is a smart decision, but not yet courage in my book (because they didn't really have a choice). Believing that things are going to get better might take some kind of courage but that's something most people at the time needed. Many Finns have describe the diary itself as "courageous" (probably not the right word for that, 'bold' might be better, but it's the same word in Finnish) but I think it refers mainly to her feelings and the things she wrote.

(And also in USSR the secret police could (and did come) and take you in the middle of the night, just because someone had said something about you, or maybe you weren't even on the list but your neighbour was but he wasn't at home, and the NKVD had a quota to fill. So you were then sentenced for 10-25 years of forced labour and taken to Siberia to survive on too small rations. Your children suffered in different ways because they were children of a criminal. And for nothing else except for being quilty of having the wrong ethnicity. In this kind of environment people lived for decades, even. The "brave" people of that time didn't sign a confession even when tortured. Most did, because they were only human.)

Mae wrote: "Sisu sounds like the term "valor" in Spanish."

Not really probably, it's not translated like that. The Urban Dictionary has a pretty good explanation:

- endurance, resilience, tenacity, determination, perseverance
- an inner reserve of diligence, capacity, the ability to face head-on and always overcome
- craziness: the recklessness that inspires a person to take on something in the face of incredible odds
- bravery, empowerment, inner strength

"Gritting your teeth, continuing to fight against an overwhelming enemy, clearing a forest with your bare hands, continuing on to win a race even after falling." (Like Lasse Virén at the Munich Olympics, with a new WR.)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define...

[Tytti]

Linda wrote: "I did not enjoy The Book Thief. I found it boring and overrated and couldn't finish it....that was MY opinion and doesn't make it fact.---If you hated the Diary that is your opinion and your right, it doesn't make you a bad or evil person."

I probably wouldn't like The Book Thief, either, that's why I am not reading it. But the difference is that it's a novel, not based on facts unlike The Diary, and can be poorly written. Hating something that is true, I think that's strange, and not really a matter of opinion anymore. You are "allowed" to not like it, but why would you hate it?

[Belle ~carry on my wayward son~]

The Book Theif was actually really good in my opinion BECAUSE i just felt so many emotions while reading it and while the story was slow at times i couldn't put it down.

[Tytti]

Belle wrote: "The Book Theif was actually really good in my opinion BECAUSE i just felt so many emotions..."

When someone says something like that about any book, I know it's not a very good book...

[Belle ~carry on my wayward son~]

Tytti wrote: "Belle wrote: "The Book Theif was actually really good in my opinion BECAUSE i just felt so many emotions..."

When someone says something like that about any book, I know it's not a very good book..."

Well then you are very dumb.

[Vanessa Eden]

Anamika wrote: "I literally hate this diary.I hated it even before I read it.But I thought I was being paranoid and read it,yet no change.Anyone else having the same problem?In addition to that,I'm also trying to ..."

how would thinking you might not like something make you paranoid? Cynical, perhaps; paranoid, no. Forget reading the Diary, get a dictionary instead.

[Tytti]

Belle wrote: "Well then you are very dumb."

:D

I've noticed that those words are usually used by (American) teenage girls and their opinions don't really mean much to me.

[Linda]

Well whatever the merits, or lack of, in The Book Thief it had no impact on me. Unlike Alice's Piano which really did move me to tears.

[Mae]

Tytti wrote: "Mae wrote: "If you talk to soldiers, they will tell you, they don't think of the nation they are protecting while in full combat."

No, usually they don't. But if they know that the next line of de..."
Titty, Spanish is my mother tongue and that is the definition of "Valor". And hiding in an attic with another family, is standing up for yourself. As much as a non civilian who wants to save their children is able to do against an army. But we can agree to disagree. In Finland you can only be courageous in times of war. whereas in my world, a mother who runs away and hides to save her children--is courageous. ;)