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Laura wrote: "LOL! I would stick to non-criminal comparisons if I were you. After all, we're talking about not liking a book."I wasn't talking about the book:) My comment was a response to Daniel's statement that openly disliking the book is the "stronger" standpoint, which I disagree with. A standpoint is never stronger than its argumentative value, hence the comparison to an ideology as ridiculous and abominable as Neo-Nazism. Anamika hasn't convincingly and rationally defended her opinion, so her standpoint isn't "strong" simply because it differs from the majority. These are details, but you know, that's where you-know-who is.
But I admit I should not have used the comparison; not because it's wrong, but because of the nature of this thread. I'll put in an edit to make it clear.
Duane wrote: "Oh, but that's not true... taking a contrary position is useful in measuring the strength of an opponent, or the characteristics of a social gathering."It can be be useful for this purpose, I agree, but that is not the same as having a "strong" standpoint.
Taking a contrarian stance in order to "shake the monkeys out of the tree" usually says something about the topic, regardless of whether or not the stance is founded on facts or simply trollish behaviour.
Anamika wrote: "One more time I repeat:I just want to know whether anyone else hates the diary.I understand that Anne Frank has suffered many difficulties and I'm not saying it is lame.Al I want to know is whether..."Dear Anamika:
If your quest was to see who hated this book, then it is quite evident, that no one shares your opinion of this book, in particular. Furthermore, you need to develop and state your reasons for disliking the book. It seems to me that you are child and need some growing up to do. Perhaps you can read it again when you have reached a proper level of maturity to appreciate it.
Anamika wrote: "Yes I am really busy.It's not for cooking up a story for my research Nana,I really do have a reason which I'll explain some other time because I can't at this moment."I've got the deja vu thing again.....
Maria wrote: "Anamika wrote: "One more time I repeat:I just want to know whether anyone else hates the diary.I understand that Anne Frank has suffered many difficulties and I'm not saying it is lame.Al I want to..."Maria, you are, sadly, not the first to say this to Anamika - most of us have urged her to do exactly that, and it's just not happening :(
Gil wrote: "Maria wrote: "Anamika wrote: "One more time I repeat:I just want to know whether anyone else hates the diary.I understand that Anne Frank has suffered many difficulties and I'm not saying it is lam..."Well... some of Maria's concerns have already been addressed. I saw a couple of people also manifesting their dislike for this diary, she explained her reasons for her dislike (even though nobody thought her reasons were valid, she wrote them) and she also said that she wanted to read it again in a few years.
I know this thread is long and hard to catch up, as every day it gains a couple of pages.
Duane, just for clarification, if you're referring to my post about Mein Kampf I dont believe I said that I admired it....if you are referring to something else...apologies.
Gil wrote: "Anamika wrote: "Yes I am really busy.It's not for cooking up a story for my research Nana,I really do have a reason which I'll explain some other time because I can't at this moment."I've got the deja vu thing again...
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case AGREE:
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case DISAGREE:
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case BRAIN_LOCK:
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default:
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Hahahaha Duane insisting on the bot thing reminds me of a little boy who would constantly go and pull the hair of a little girl in Kindergarten. Fun to watch at a point.
Linda wrote: "Duane, just for clarification, if you're referring to my post about Mein Kampf I dont believe I said that I admired it....if you are referring to something else...apologies."No, no, no... you (or whomever it was... I THOUGHT it was you) didn't say they liked it, they used the example of someone posting that they liked it as another case of something that could precipitate a thread like this one, which was an incisive analysis IMO...
Ahhh got you. It was me. I felt a need to point out my stance as, well you know what some people on this thread are like, will probably get castigated at some point for admiring it...sigh.
switch (post_query.POSTER_QUESTION) {case AGREE:
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case DISAGREE:
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case BRAIN_LOCK:
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Hah, not bad.
Well, if there is a bright side to this thread, it is that there has been some very intelligent, funny, lively and entertaining discussions going on...just not with the OP.
Let your inner anarchist free I say, you will only end up constipated.
Linda wrote: "Let your inner anarchist free I say, you will only end up constipated."Right on.
Laura wrote: "Hahahaha Duane insisting on the bot thing reminds me of a little boy who would constantly go and pull the hair of a little girl in Kindergarten. Fun to watch at a point."But I would never do such a thing!!
I would only *reach* for the ponytail while making sure the girl noticed, in order to spread terror because the fear of something happening is worse than the reality!!
Anamika wrote: "One more time I repeat:I just want to know whether anyone else hates the diary.I understand that Anne Frank has suffered many difficulties and I'm not saying it is lame.Al I want to know is whether..."I hated it. I still do. Sure, history and the circumstance makes it important as well as the struggle of the Jews against the Nazis, but we're reading a diary of a teenage girl here. A TEENAGE GIRL. Basically, its the same shit, different toilet. #sorrynotsorry
Just curious Max...if you hated it so much why would you give it 3 stars?
Daniel wrote: "The thing I object to about Nazis or Neo-Nazis is that some of them threaten violence, use violence and/or suppose that one heritage is better than another.I do not believe I have read anyone on t..."
Daniel, I don't think he was comparing anyone to Neo nazis, I think he was clear about that. what he meant is that standing strong against cultural… being the stronger stand point, is a not exactly right. Because a someone with a hateful agenda standing strong alone… does not make him or her the strong point. And I have met Neo Nazis, that are not promoting violence… but hate.
Paul Martin wrote: "Daniel wrote: "Comparing people to Nazis is bad rhetorical style."Oh, come on, Daniel. You know very well that is not what I did.
The point is that a contrarian stance isn't worth anything in it..."
agree
I did not say that every Neo Nazi is violent. I said that some of them are. I said that I object to violent behavior.Proclaiming to be a Neo-Nazi also takes some serious courage. From message 1407
This is a comparison: x takes courage; y takes courage, too.
I am not saying that Paul called anyone a Nazi. He is making a comparison. That is a bad way of making a point, because you are not giving anyone else a possible comeback (except calling him out for it, of course); what was I going to say in return? "I admire Neo Nazis for their bravery"? Not going to happen.
Daniel wrote: That is a bad way of making a pointNo, it is a good way of making a point - perspectives are useful. You just deliberately chose to misunderstand it.
Daniel wrote: because you are not giving anyone else a possible comeback
Not true. You could easily have moderated your original comment; that contrarian standpoints are not "strong" by default.
what was I going to say in return? "I admire Neo Nazis for their bravery"?
...and that is exactly my point. Saying something like that would be just as ridiculous as praising Anamika for her "strong" standpoint (if that is even what you did). And no, that is not the same as comparing Anamika with a Neo-Nazi, it is simply comparing the basis (or, lack of) for a standpoint.
Okay...
Well, here's my opinion:The bounds of believability are continually being tested even after Turing has passed away.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27...
It's noteworthy that you did not state an opinion, by your definition at least.
Dusty Bibliophile wrote: "Well, here's my opinion:The bounds of believability are continually being tested even after Turing has passed away.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27..."
:D
Indeed, here's someone else's:
http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news...
Human misidentification in Turing tests
Kevin Warwick, Huma Shah
Journal of Experimental & Theoretical Artificial Intelligence
Is this going to be on the test? :P
As you say, indeed. And all we have in this discussion is opinion. Tis most likely all we will ever have since there is no way to satisfy everyone about a poster's identity in this thread. Which is all well and good, privacy and whatnot you know.I do like the elucidation of why the people are misidenitfied:
"The "hidden humans" are alternately guarded, humorless, uninformed and bad typists — leading judges to conclude that they are machines attempting to avoid detection"
We have seen those behaviors in this thread. Whether they are due to personality or lack thereof (real or programmed) would be an interesting discussion point but it leads nowhere since, once again that whole respect, privacy, and whatnot intervenes.
So, in a nutshell, this is pretty much a corpse of a topic and no matter how hard or long CPR is applied it will not follow Lazarus into the realm of the living.
EDIT: It's also interesting that the paper looks at "several instances during official Turing Test chats where the "judge" incorrectly identified the chat partner as a machine." So it was analyazing people faced with trying to decide if the entity they were communicating with was human or machine. That seems to be slightly different from here where the opinions just came out of woodwork on a thread instead of being a case of judging something for science.
Shrugs
Oh well.
Anamika wrote: "Now this is going to switch to a fight on Neo-Nazi.Back to topic.And perhaps,stop calling others names."This "topic" has been beaten to death several times...perhaps you'd like to remind us what is is exactly....Oh yes, I remember:
You HATE Anne Frank's diary, the reasons being it's not original and it's unfair that this child should have such a fuss made of her just because she was inconsiderate enough to
a) die during the war and
b) record her thoughts and feelings in a diary which was then published for public consumption.
And Anamika wants to know how many people share this opinion. You've already had the answer, and forums being what they are, the conversation is going to wander hither and thither and go off topic.
I really don;t think you can demand to stay on topic when you consistently refuse to provide answers to the questions being asked.
Okay, okay... I can sort of sympathize with the Amanita in being torqued at Ann Frank getting all this sympathy just for dying in a trendy way by getting snuffed by Nazis....But Elie Wiesel was the same age more or less and he *survived* (barely) and then waited, what - 10 years to tell his story and he *easily* gets as much attention as Anne Frank... So maybe the Amanita should hate him too, at least for the sake of consistency, since all HE did was get slammed in Ouchwitz for a year or so and narrowly escape while nearly everyone else, as Ginsburg put it, "never made it back to the Straight Talk Cafe'...",
But then look at THIS moron! ALL he DID was die, and in a really dumb way, and now there's a book about him, and a whole busload of sycophants and adherents and worshippers and whatever else...
and worse yet, a THREAD about him . MY Hate-O-Meter goes PEGGED on HIS worthless ass... I'm not going to waste any valuable Hate on Ann Frank's Diary when I've got THAT book to hate (not to mention all the sycophants and adherents and...
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Duane wrote: "Okay, okay... I can sort of sympathize with the Amanita in being torqued at Ann Frank getting all this sympathy just for dying in a trendy way by getting snuffed by Nazis....But Elie Wiesel was t..."
Good points, Duane! And all Primo Levi did was write a bunch of brilliant novels and stuff about his experiences in a concentration camp and feel so guilty for surviving that he eventually threw himself down a staircase and died! What a schmuck! Why didn't he just off himself sooner!
This diary is pure poop
Wows. You guys are gonna get fried when all the other people get on here. But this is, like, a record. I don't think anyone has ever agreed straight out with Anamika before :)
Erin (Paperback Stash) wrote: "What I'm more curious about is why you would hate it before you even read it?"Because she's a nazi.
Steve wrote: "Erin (Paperback Stash) wrote: "What I'm more curious about is why you would hate it before you even read it?"Because she's a nazi."
NOBODY IS A NAZI; STOP USING NAZI AS A LIGHT INSULT AGAINST A GIRL WHO HATES A BOOK. NAZI IS A SERIOUS WORD, YOU IGNORANT!!!!
Do you want to call her a bot, a troll, or whatever else others have been calling her, go. But have the decency of leaving the damn Nationalsozialismus out of this, because you have no freaking idea what you're talking about.
DIBS!! DIBS!!! GODWIN'S LAW!!!1455 posts but we finally got it!!
I got dibs on the catch!!
( Laura's post doesn't count; she didn't yell GODWIN )
Duane wrote: "DIBS!! DIBS!!! GODWIN'S LAW!!!1455 posts but we finally got it!!
I got dibs on the catch!!"
LOL Actually on the first page some guy suggested she was a skin-head.
Yeah I saw that but they have to actually call NAZI or HITLER for it to count... I think?
Hum... I'm not sure, I would have called on the law for skin-head, but it's debatable. Now, the theme has been flirting with the thread for a while, but this was the first clear one on Godwin's Law. Wow, after 30 pages!
What there is to be hated.It's a diary, from horrible time, with a real life ending.
I have read it many times, first I was 10 when I read it, and last time I read it it was last spring after 30 years it has been good read-book everytime.
Laura wrote: ".
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but this was the first clear one on Godwin's Law.Wow, after 30 pages!"
Yeah I've been waiting all 30 pages expecting it at any moment! I thought there was no way I'd be there to get first call though.
I should get a prize!!
I didn't HATE it. It was just really BORING! I get that this was what Anne was saying though so I respect it!
Steve wrote: "Erin (Paperback Stash) wrote: "What I'm more curious about is why you would hate it before you even read it?"Because she's a nazi."
With comments like this, you should be deleted from GR. This is offensive and unnecessary.
Priya wrote: "I didn't HATE it. It was just really BORING! I get that this was what Anne was saying though so I respect it!"Even I felt that it was boring at first, but when I began to read the book with a perspective of a typical teenage, I was really amused.
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I have to disagree on that point. "What it represents" means nothing else than "w..."
You are nit-picking on my choice of words, here. I'm sure I don't have to explain to you that I was pointing out to Jaya that this diary is not an "edge of the seat" book. It is not a work of fiction and should not be judged in that way, which is what it looked like. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "represents"; maybe I should have just said base your opinion on what it IS not on what you think it should be. Is that better, Daniel? If not Perhaps if you Google the word and have a look at the many and varied definitions......