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Anyone else hate this Diary
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I point out my impression of the tone the thread. I am not alone in this impression, as it has been stated very clearly by others. If you do not appreciate the impression the thread has made and your participation in that, that's for you to learn from, or not. I have no problem with my general impression or tone. I have expressed to you my feelings about the "harshest comment" you claim I have made. But, if your problem is with me specifically, this is not the place for airing that. My problem is with the general disregard for Anamika's feelings and the thrashing of her thread, and I feel you have participated in that. I've heard your excuses and made note of your personal justifications. If you stand by that, no need to repeat yourself, I disagree.
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Leslie wrote: "I point out my impression of the tone the thread. I am not alone in this impression, as it has been stated very clearly by others. If you do not appreciate the impression the thread has made and ..."I cannot understand why you are so outraged by the way this thread meandered along its natural course.. If Anamika wasn't upset by the way things went - and obviously she wasn't, then what the heck did it matter to you? Okay, she asked once if it could remain on topic, but took no further action. Your behaviour has been particularly obnoxious and offensive and for what? Absolutely nothing. You come across as a self-righteous, sanctimonious prig with nothing better to do.
I'm sure you will be composing another diatribe as you read this, but I couldn't care less, because I shall not stick around to read it. You have completely ruined any interest or pleasure there was to be had for participating in these forums. You, Leslie, have achieved that single-handedly.
And yes, I do feel better for that!
Belle - this is me being bloody angry!
Maria wrote: "Now seriously, Laura, the one who jumped from page 1 to 18 without reading anything in between - how dare you, i say, to come forward like this?"If you think that you can tell me to shut up to avoid flies to come into my mouth, with the same aggressive tone that you ask Anamika if she is jealous of a dead little girl, you picked the wrong woman.
Just for you to know, after my first comment and before the second, I actually DID take the effort to read the rest. So I had the occasion to see even more of what I criticized, and not only against Anamika, but also against others who commented. Do you want quotes? I got home now. I can give you the highlight of each page.
Page 1: "Just have to look at Anamika's reading shelf to see the 'quality' of books she usually reads and thinks ate fantastic", "ignorant", "looking at Anamika's reading list i guess the Diary just didn't have the same level of action and numbness as her usual fair", "If you hate it, there's something wrong with you", "must be a skinhead", "I feel you are the great devil" (although he apologized later).
Page 2: "Hopefully you'll grow out of the immature stage you're in". The whole mes. 53, about "educated" readers, "unless she comes up with anything of an explanation ignore her apparent bigoted ideas", "Annalika, go peddle your papers in some young adult forum", "I checked out your reading list and noticed you have an appetite for really good reads" (but the best is her attempted cheap psychology in that message), "you need to grow up and think", " You almost need to cancel your comment and talk to an adult you trust".
Page 3: "It's just a shame that something like your name being misspelled has "an impact" on you....but I suppose when there are no great issues in the world to worry about", "lol. Yes, she is sensitive about typos but has no empathy for a child victim of the holocaust", "So sad that you even felt compelled to post the question", "And idiotic", "I might find Anamika's question "rude" but I just find it stupid", "Let me enlighten you, my dear", "your silly comment".
Page 4: "I'm not saying that she doesn't need a good strong reprimand", "a lame excuse about personal reasons", the whole mes. 158 is the most arrogant BS I read so far, with the highlight "some silly little girl", the endless nitpicking between others about what "rude" is or is not, "you tried to be deliberately mean and offend others", "you just come off like a spoiled little 10 year old", "I honestly don't think she's clever enough for that. Have any of you read her reading list?".
Page 5: "I find Anamika's bald declaration of hating the diary so utterly stupid", "Are you a Muslim? Do you hate all Jews?", the whole mes. 228, "She doesn't have two thoughts in her pointed little head to put together", "I doubt she's clever enough", "we have all been suckered into responding to her troll post" followed by "it was unfair to other paid hacks of goodreads but not to our 12 yr old troll".
Page 6: Why the hell are they discussing 50 Shades of Gray? And Twilight series?? LOL. And about the Brit/US thing... Yes, there are nuances. Yes, Joodith was being rude, not just sarcastic, and then she shielded behind British sarcasm. I live in a country where people are considered rude elsewhere because of how they talk, so I can tell. Back to the quotes: "I thought we all agreed that Anamika is a bored child who is toying with us like a pile of ants", "Hopefully in this process quite a few young ones have developed or changed their ideas" (I love people who tell others what to think).
Page 7: "you damn well better be ready for people to attack you", the whole mes. 305 by Petergiaquinta (I like Agatha Christie, too, so what?), "Copycat attention-starved trolls like Anamika would rain down, flooding Goodreads with nonsensical trivia", "I don't know what is more annoying..Annimika's lame unknown reason or Bella. (yes, they are misspelled on purpose)" (bravo, very mature), Trixie and her winks, "you're either too young, or too ill-educated".
Page 8: "Annamika is a bot" (and the answer to that, hilarious), "her statement is a scary statement", "no normal person comes up with comments like this", "rarely does someone who IS stupid or idiotic actually see it in themselves", "I think you should talk to an adult you can trust about this", "Oh this is becoming highly entertaining", "Tra la la - I think she's away with the fairies....", "I am sorry but 'so many feels' or 'my emotions' or whatever just sounds stupid", "USA doesn't really have a reputation of a country with well educated citizens. And yes, we do like to make fun of it sometimes", "For what it's worth I think Anamika is Indian or of Indian descent", "whatever explanation she has to offer [...] will never be satisfactory", "thanks to Anamika's obtuse (look it up online if you need to) behaviour".
Page 9: "It still sounds stupid", "Books that fangirls are not reading because they are more complicated" (oh, guess what...), "Sometimes fangirls read interesting and complicated books, they rarely understand how complex these books are though" (I dare you), Tytti's judgmental message about books worth reading and her attack on fangirls, "which shows she lives in the US", "she's holed up somewhere, maybe on the back end of the moon".
Page 10: "I hate tearjerkers" (without explaining why... LOL), a lot of two ladies explaining to the commoners from their high horses how what they read is better than what others read, then the conversation turned into WWII, which was actually nice because nobody was bullying anybody.
This is, so far, half the thread. As you know (having participated), there is more. Do you want me to go on? I can do the rest tomorrow. I think it is not necessary, since I made my point.
You told me that, if I hadn't read all the pages I should shut up, because I had no clue what I was talking about. I just proved you that, in only half of the thread, I found more than enough to justify and back up what I was criticizing about your attitude. I even found other conducts to criticize, which I hadn't addressed before, but it is pointless. You all are eager to show off this arrogance that makes you feel superior.
Most of the people whose quotes I posted (I removed most names to avoid getting too personal) "teamed up" against Anamika and, later, against Belle, for the crime of trying to stop the bullying. I will repeat myself: Shame on you!
Laura wrote: "Maria wrote: "Now seriously, Laura, the one who jumped from page 1 to 18 without reading anything in between - how dare you, i say, to come forward like this?"If you think that you can tell me to..."
Bravo!
Laura wrote: "Maria wrote: "Now seriously, Laura, the one who jumped from page 1 to 18 without reading anything in between - how dare you, i say, to come forward like this?"If you think that you can tell me to..."
Hahahaha - I haven't laughed this much for ages. Thank you.
But tell me - why have you singled out Joodith - she's about the only one you've mentioned by name. You say you removed "most names to avoid getting too personal" but felt you had to mention her by name. Why? What has she said that's so much worse than anyone else?
Leslie - go away and be quiet.
I mentioned you too, Trixie, and also Maria and Belle. It was in the context of what I was describing. I guess I could have said "Someone's comments about..." instead of, for example, "Trixie's comments about". But I chose to mention the most frequent visitors, so to say.
Also, I just noticed that I was successfully leaving out the names up to page 6. I guess I got tired of my own "political correctness" and decided to start naming the most aggressive and/or the most frequent visitors.
Laura wrote: "I mentioned you too, Trixie, and also Maria and Belle. It was in the context of what I was describing. I guess I could have said "Someone's comments about..." instead of, for example, "Trixie's com..."Show me where you mentioned me by name. I see only Joodith's in your entry for page 6. You mentioned Belle by name in your last line when you suggested she was being bullied along with Anamika.
Tell me which page you mention me by name....
Babafaba(Hypnos)((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))(((Scuttle)))((((Scar)))) wrote: "Well, we were merely asking for valid reasons. We weren't bullying Anamika. All these guesses about her age or nationality were just that, guesses. And you accuse us of being insulting and rude bu..."I never said either insulting or rude. Read my post again, the one before this never ending list of quotes. I did not include quotes of people asking her for reasons or politely trying to explain to her why they thought she was wrong. I include quotes of people mocking her, insulting her, calling her names, belittling her opinions and similar behaviors, not only toward her, but also others.
And no, it isn't hypocritical. I would be hypocritical if I said, for example, that your opinion is just stupid and that you should read better my post before commenting on it. I am not saying this. The quotes that I chose and copied here have nothing polite in them.
Okay - got it, page 7, Thanks Babafaba.@ Laura I would still like you to explain why you name the only two English women who left comments. And actually some of them were helpful.....oh for heavens' sake - you know what? I really don't care anymore. I popped back in here to see what Anamika's earth shattering reasons was for hating this book....it really was worth waiting for....(wink, wink, she says tongue in cheek) If you don't understand the use of ;) being meant as a gesture of friendship not sarcasm, then I feel sorry for you. You are looking for things to make yourself feel superior, but actually you're looking really quite stupid. You have contributed nothing to this thread except a rant against what you perceive as bullying when in fact it was not, you sad little person.
And as for that smug, small-minded Leslie - No, I'm going to stop right there because neither of you is worth another one of my breaths.
Just to clear up the popcorn bit: It is a meme. It looks like this: http://www.pinterest.com/pin/27246784...It gets posted under any religious theme, because the person posting the meme knows, that there is going to be heated discussion to say the least.
Which is precisely what happened.
No one starts a topic "I hate Anne Frank's Diary" for the fun of it. You do it to get people angry. Welcome to the internet!
Liz wrote: "Does anyone else think that this discussion was just to see how many comments Anamika could get? Her vagueness and outright hatred seem to just be pleading for attention."exactly what I thought.
Daniel wrote: "Just to clear up the popcorn bit: It is a meme. It looks like this: http://www.pinterest.com/pin/27246784...It gets posted under any religious theme, because the person posting the meme k..."
Could you unpack that a little, Daniel? I'm not sure if you are suggesting that the behavior that has been highlighted is justified, or if you are just commenting on cause/effect in general, what is to be expected. Are you endorsing, clarifying, or simply making an observation?
Leslie wrote: "An interesting "what if" blog article about Anne Frank and her family: http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/201..."
That is an interesting what-if. Unfortunately I don't know how much weight can be given to the blog posting. The posts appear to be an attempt to
Edited for spelling.
Dusty Bibliophile wrote: "Leslie wrote: "An interesting "what if" blog article about Anne Frank and her family: http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/201..."
That is an interesting what-if. Unfortun..."
Would you go so far as to call it a lie, or just inaccurate? Is it worth considering or just nutcase hogwash? Are there specific errors made in the blog's points (IOW does she state any fact that is misleading or incorrect, or is she just speculating about facts in an incorrect manner)? I'm no expert, so it all just seemed pretty "what if" to me, just interesting.
I wonder why is it bullying to say that you hate tearjerkers? Do you really need an explanation for that? Everyone must love them? Why would I have to like books that try to make me cry?Also, it was others who brought up fangirls. I was only commenting that some books have lots of reviews that were mainly girls declaring their "feelings". And those reviews are for me, the reader, completely useless (expect that I try to not read books that have them) and I am indifferent towards the reviewers who write them. What, now I have no right to make decisions for myself based on things that I feel give me the right answer? Or is it bullying just to say your opinion? Ah, I don't care. I still won't be reading YA, I prefer other books.
Tytti wrote: "I wonder why is it bullying to say that you hate tearjerkers? Do you really need an explanation for that? Everyone must love them? Why would I have to like books that try to make me cry?Also, it ..."
It is bullying to say "look at what kinds of books she reads" as a dismissal of her opinion or a means to invalidate her. No one is required to like the same books, but no one should have their book selections used as a weapon in the forums.
Sure, no problem:This meme is a common thing on the internet.
The situation is this: A person X on a forum, a blog, 9gag.com, memecenter.com or really any website that has a comments function posts a religious opinion.
A different person Y, who sees this and who knows the internet, knows what is going to happen next. Because it is a subject to strike a nerve. And because this person Y has seen this a million times, he just posts the picture I linked earlier.
It is not to give offence, it is not to criticize the person X. It is just a comment on how the internet works. Because this truly happens every time.
Leslie wrote: "It is bullying to say "look at what kinds of books she reads" as a dismissal of her opinion or a means to invalidate her."I said that? Who knows, I might have. But yeah, if you think Twilight is great literature, your opinion on some other book won't mean that much to me. It's just common sense.
That said; if I may put my two cents in:It is of course ok to start a discussion on who "hates" Anne Franks diary. But if you do, you better be ready to face the heat. GR has 25 million readers, and some of them are bound to call you on that!
And on the internet this is troll behavior. Now, if she did not know any better, I am compassionate, because the internet can be a scary place.
And I am not going to get into your argument with other people. For one thing, because you seem very capable of fighting for yourselves and for another because I truly do not want to.
Daniel wrote: "Sure, no problem:This meme is a common thing on the internet.
The situation is this: A person X on a forum, a blog, 9gag.com, memecenter.com or really any website that has a comments function pos..."
So it isn't religious specific? Because I'm not making the connection there, i.e., this hasn't struck me as a "religious" thread. As for the popcorn thing, I knew what that was referring to, and it did seem like a mockery of Anamika - like setting up a picnic for an execution, and it would be nice to evolve a little past that sort of thing.
Tytti wrote: "Leslie wrote: "It is bullying to say "look at what kinds of books she reads" as a dismissal of her opinion or a means to invalidate her."I said that? Who knows, I might have. But yeah, if you thi..."
No no, you didn't necessarily say that, I don't know...it's just an example of what was said and what could be considered bullying.
Daniel wrote: "That said; if I may put my two cents in:It is of course ok to start a discussion on who "hates" Anne Franks diary. But if you do, you better be ready to face the heat. GR has 25 million readers, ..."
Thanks for your thoughts, Daniel.
Sorry it seemed that way. No, this was not directed at her. It is more a general "Take cover" kind of thing. Honestly I cannot even as a mental exercise take religion out of Anne Frank's diary, her life or her death. Even if Anamika did not want it to come across like that, you can't take religion out of the equation. Imagine a Jewish person, possibly with grandparents, who died in WWII, reading the topic. Is that person going to think "Well, this can't be meant to belittle my heritage". The thing is, that you've got to be careful with this sort of theme.
Apart from that, no it is not religion specific. It works for any sensitive subject.
Okay saying that this was a "grab for attention" is just totally incorrect and yes she did write this diary to pass time. She was stuck in an attic with nothing to do, so she wrote to pass time. And it was her father who decided to publish it to show what the Holocaust was like firsthand. Not much of the Holocaust was documented from the perspective of a child in hiding. This is a treasure because it was so rare, so shut up with the these stupid reasons because if you knew anything about the Holocaust you would know how important this diary was and still is to history today.
Daniel wrote: "Sorry it seemed that way. No, this was not directed at her. It is more a general "Take cover" kind of thing. Honestly I cannot even as a mental exercise take religion out of Anne Frank's diary, he..."
Perhaps because I am atheist I don't apply religion to anything? What a relief! But that isn't to say I am insensitive to Anne Frank's story or those who shared her experience. I would probably not post something as aggressive as the OP. I used to watch the chestnut tree outside her hiding "home" before it fell (on a webcam that had been set up). I had a similar tree outside my house and it died in the same way at almost the exact same time as Anne's tree. I read her book when I was...probably in middle school...so it is a sentimental favorite, but not "literature" - and for that I do not "rate" it with stars.
Leslie, I'm afraid you've made a mistake here with posting that link to furtherglory. If you haven't taken a close look at the website, you should. If you indeed understand what the website is about and you've posted anyway, then that's problematic. The web is filled with some really terrible things, and that website is a gateway to hatred. This isn't something to be taken lightly.
Petergiaquinta wrote: "Leslie, I'm afraid you've made a mistake here with posting that link to furtherglory. If you haven't taken a close look at the website, you should. If you indeed understand what the website is abou..."Thanks Peter, I didn't research it at.all. I was multitasking/working, etc. But thanks for pointing it out.
It is interesting, don't you think, that no Moderator has stepped in to stop this so-called Bullying; it has been so bad - but no-one has been told to stop, or been blocked; no posts have been deleted. If bullying had taken place to the extent Leslie and Laura claim, surely, at some point, a Moderator would have taken action?@Leslie: you really should do your research before posting links ......"multitasking/working" is no excuse.
I was tempted to answer you in a somewhat sarcastic tone, like "Oh, I'm sorry for not naming you more beside your several quotes. If you feel left out, I can edit my post", but I will, instead, tell you that, the mere fact that your reaction was to disrespect and insult me, you just proved my case, not that I needed it, but thank you. It also showed me that you have no better arguments against me, so you just get angry and rant, "you sad little person". It makes me smile with the same satisfaction that you may have felt (or not) when you said some of the very well articulated things that you said to her.It has been much discussed what is considered rude in different parts of the world, but I didn't use that word. I explained the kind of attitudes that I didn't like: belittling her opinion, making her feel inferior because of the age you thought she had and her literary tastes, mocking her, insulting her. All of the comments that I quoted were taken into context. To understand why some were included, you will have to go to the thread and see what was going on and what was being discussed.
This kind of behavior cannot be moderated, as you well know, arrogant Trixie. From your high horses, almost none of you directly insult with the use coarse words against her repeatedly. That doesn't mean that you weren't being repeatedly mean to her. Sometimes you were going the patronizing way or the passive-aggressive way.
You all were here teaming up against her, and I have also seen you all systematically belittling and/or "attacking" in the same way, anyone who tried to make you see the error of your ways, including me. I feel sorry for you, if you need to do this to feel superior to someone else.
Finally, I will say that I love reading since I'm 5 years old and I read all sorts of books, from what you could call fangirl books to the classics that everyone thinks that everyone should read. The most arrogant people I usually find in these last kind of books, for some reason, and they love to belittle the young people who enjoy, say, Twilight or whatever. They love to feel that they are superior because they have "better" literary tastes. You among them.
I certainly did not feel "left out" as you put it - I wondered why, when there were so many people making comments you so obviously disagreed with, you felt the need to single out, by name, two articulate people on this thread. If your long page by page list was to be a fair observation, you would have taken the time to name every single person.No, you didn't use the word "rude" - in fact you came onto this thread simply to state that bullying (as you perceive it) had taken place. You have offered no other contribution. I am not going to go through, yet again, the nuances in the way language is used....you seem like a reasonably well-educated person so you should know that these differences do exist. Once again - for your benefit, this was mentioned by way of defending Anamika, not attacking her. She then swept that aside by declaring she had chosen her words deliberately! So much for trying to defend someone YOU think has been bullied!
This "sort of thing" can indeed be moderated; in fact, I believe that someone else on this thread approached a moderator (when Leslie arrived with her accusations)to have a look to see if this was actually bullying. It was stated that NO BULLYING had taken place - the thread was fine as it was. What you and Leslie perceive as bullying is not the case. Anamika has a voice, had she felt bullied I'm sure she would have said so, and I'm in no doubt that an apology would have been offered.
I don't share your taste in books - so what? You probably wouldn't like my choice - that does not make either one of us have "better" literary taste - you are looking to pick a fight where none exists.
I would suggest that you take your high-minded and misguided ideas somewhere else. Anamika has left her reasons - though they still don't make sense to many of us so I'm done.
I quite enjoyed this whole thread albeit that the starter of this all turned out to be a bit of a limited mind. Hating a book and when she finally gave her reasons showing her insights she showed that she was as wrong as most people suspected. But still there was some decent discussion.UNTILL; enter the PC brigade that as usual add little to any discussion unless they get any satisfaction by their mural high ground. Those people can really be missed in any discussion as they serve no purpose at all. Big mouths and pointing fingers like daft presenters from FOX news.
laura & leslie add nothing to the discussion of a historical document, they just want to be morally superiour. Just go away your defence of Anamika comes too late and is unwarrented as she showed her limitations when it comes to true history.
And I do not mind a big mouth..............On a Hippo, I think Hippos are cool.
LOL sure, you've been done before, as I recall.I am as entitled to my opinion as anyone else in this thread. So, thank you for your kind suggestion, but I will put my ideas wherever I see fit, unless you find a way to have me banned.
I don't disagree with your opinions (about the journal, that is). I disliked the way that you teamed up against her and mocked her, belittled her opinion and insulted her, etc. Whether that fits or not the Goodreads definition of cyber-bullying, it is none of my business. I still have the right to dislike your attitude toward others and I also have the right to express myself about it.
Oh, and for Babafaba(Hypnos)((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))(((Scuttle)))((((Scar)))) :
My point was that there is a difference between saying "Your opinion is stupid, go read what I actually wrote" and saying "I did write it, go read again". "Your opinion is stupid" being the part in question, in case you didn't notice. My problem was never that any of you manifested your opinions against Anamika's opinion, but the way some of you did in some of your comments, which I highlighted (from half the thread).
I do, in fact, disagree with hating the diary, especially even before you read it. Had you kept your judgmental "oh, she must be a stupid teen, she reads stupid books, she must be skin-head, she's too ill-educated, jealous of a dead little girl" and other stuff to yourselves, I would have come here, as I said in my very first post, to agree with you all.
The long quoting post you may thank Maria, who was the one who pointed out that I had no clue what had happened here because I hadn't read it. Again, if she had said this in a more polite way, I probably wouldn't have done that quoting post. But hey, I'm not all that perfect and I tend to react like that when someone comes with a patronizing "mommy tone" to talk about closed mouths and flies. I don't particularly regret doing it, though.
guys...
Laura wrote: "you may thank Maria"You are writing as if anyone would suffer a great injury through you quoting people.
The "Go read again" was in fact a slight, I did not appreciate. I have read you post. But everything sounds different in context. If you quoted properly, I could have read the original material again, which you claimed to refer to.
You seem to like misrepresenting material. I would ask you, where you got the
Laura wrote: "oh, she must be a stupid teen, she reads stupid books, she must be skin-head, she's too ill-educated, jealous of a dead little girl"
from. But I guess you would ask me to read your message again.
Especially the skin-head part is just an incredible affront. I am stunned.
I'm hoping you are never going to have to do scientific work, because proper citation does become important.
Oh Laura I have been done before, must have missed it I guess.I do not cyber bully the Anamika, I just stated that her HATING was illogical and stupid. When she came up with her reasons she proved that she was kinda, for better words stupid. But she has the right to be stupid I agree with you. Opening the thread in the way she did was stupid too but she like anybody else is allowed to be stupid.
Like I said this thread was interesting and insightful until you came along and started to point fingers and be morally on the high ground. Good for you.
The whole thread was about Hating a book that was not read and very poorly worded as well by Anamika, Her conclusions after reading the book are wrong and strange.
People doubted her intentions, which when you read how she operated is not that strange. And after she delivered the anti climax as I see it the likes of you descend on us to call everybody a that had their doubts a cyber bully. I would say to you EF OFF.
Daniel, I started the post like this:Page 1: Message X, by XXX: "xxxxxxxx". Message XY, By XYY: "xxxxx". It was double the size, so I decided to just leave the page number.
If you really want me to write a GR message in the same way that I write my scientific articles, then I will, tonight, when I come home. There is someone saying she must be a skin-head. If you don't want to go back, read my long post again and find the page, I will do that for you tonight. It is, indeed, a harsh affront and that is why I included it in my quotes.
See you all later, so to say.
Anthony wrote: "pretty sure anamika is pulling y'alls' chainif not, must be a skinhead"
Daniel, I found you the skin-head reference. It is message 30, first page. I will write in scientific for you later.
Mark wrote: "Oh Laura I have been done before, must have missed it I guess."I was writing while you posted this; this comment was for Trixie. I didn't call you cyber-bully. Again, I was answering to Trixie's remark that no moderator found bullying in this thread. I didn't quote you and, honestly, your comments were very good and I haven't read you incurring in any of the attitudes that I criticized (except now, yelling me to fuck off).
Again... I didn't criticize the content; I said that I agree with the content completely. I never quoted other people, who explained to her why they thought she was wrong. I only quoted and criticized the ones who did the things I mentioned: mock her, belittle her opinion, insult her, etc. Not just everyone who disagreed with her. If you feel offended by that, I cannot help it.
Laura wrote: "Mark wrote: "Oh Laura I have been done before, must have missed it I guess."I was writing while you posted this; this comment was for Trixie. I didn't call you cyber-bully. Again, I was answering..."
You should not defend her or her thoughts, she opened the ridicule even if that was unwanted with her approach starting with saying she looked for other folks who hated the diary and the writer. And to further he cause by constantly not answering any reasoning. SO she opened the door herself and with her final reasoning as too why she failed to convince anybody.
The thread offered quite some interesting insights and sadly enough not by it starter, who failed totally.
You are defending a person that does not deserve that, and I do hope she has learned something from the whole affair.
And the people criticizing her are right, she deserves most of it. Perhaps it does teach her the value of not shouting daft statements and then not giving a reason. The freedom of speech allows her to do so but she better be prepared for the freedom of speech of others who doubted her and her intentions.
I am not sure what you intentions are, but for me they are probably misguided but make you feel better by defending somebody who invited it all herself.
guys i think we should all chill. honestly, im confused about who's angered by who's comments, but i agree with a lot of what you guys have wrote so I think we should all chill and stop pointing fingers.
Laura wrote: "Anthony wrote: "pretty sure anamika is pulling y'alls' chainif not, must be a skinhead"
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In this case my sincere apologies. I did not remember that comment. Now that I know where it is from, I have to ask you though: Do you believe that the people in this discussion now have subscribed to the comment of "skin-head"? Because I certainly do not think it is ever ok to call someone a skin-head in an argument.
yeah, and no offense, but it is a very dumb insult, along with Toadie...*cough cough*
Anamika wrote: "due to a few insults and mockery, I'll finish hereI thought I mentioned that.I'll give it a thought if I really have to tell the rest considering your behavior.
I didn't make this thread to defen..."
:)
Anamika wrote: "due to a few insults and mockery, I'll finish hereI thought I mentioned that.I'll give it a thought if I really have to tell the rest considering your behavior.
I didn't make this thread to defen..."
I hope you have learned to state your reasoning immediately when starting a thread with a rather controversial subject. In that way people can agree or disagree but it would have been played much less on a personal level.
And for the record, comments cut and pasted, without the context of the discussion can seem totally different than the actual intention. " your opinion is just stupid and that you should read better my post" Message 987 Laura. If I posted it like this, it sounds you are calling the reader stupid. Which is what you did with every single one of my quotations."her statement is a scary statement", or"Hopefully in this process quite a few young ones have developed or changed their ideas" The first one I said in the context… of hating Anne Frank, because Anamika still had that in before she edited it out. The second one, was with regards to the Historial discussion we were having about WWII and the Winter war between Finland and the USSR. This collection of quotes also contain lots of quotes from people that just trolled in and threw horrible comments. and then you add that these comments were made by the people that commented the most. By doing this you are assigning this quotes to the people you mention. Your technique is akin the yellow journalism and manipulation of the facts.
As Daniel, said if you start a thread with a question that would qualify as a troll, you have to be ready to take the heat. ,It is only human to try to figure out who is talking online to you and bots and trolls are out there. Typed words don't show feelings, and things can be read out of context, particularly if you are looking for something, and that goes for everyone. There are a lot of people here with different cultural expressions and reactions, that english is not their first language. If you have spent the time actually reading the thread and not "looking for specific quotes to make your point" you would have noticed that there were arguments between people who are now friends online. I defended and agreed with Leslie in a link, she conveniently deleted. Belle was rather rude to me, and we have gained each others respect by communication. Most of the differences were due to not listening to the tone-- because there is no tone in typing. I argued with Tytti and she scolded me harshly for mistyping her name, which was a typo. I confused Daniel with another Daniel's commenter.
Anamika wrote: "I was going until I knew I was supposed to be busy."the next time wait for it until you have the time to really defend your subject.
There will always be people that get personal due to the subject but it makes it easier for you to see what they are up to vs like it becoming personal while floating a rather outrageous statement with no background whatsoever.
I do disagree with you for already stated reasons but as a person I don't have any problem with you. But do take the easier road next time for your own peace of mind would be my advise.
Mark wrote: "Anamika wrote: "I was going until I knew I was supposed to be busy."the next time wait for it until you have the time to really defend your subject.
There will always be people that get personal..."
@Anamika, I agree with Mark. I think I have tried to make you understand that I agreed to disagree with you. this will be my last comment on this thread. You know how to contact me.
Anamika wrote: "due to a few insults and mockery, I'll finish hereI thought I mentioned that.I'll give it a thought if I really have to tell the rest considering your behavior.
I didn't make this thread to defen..."
Well said Anmika, this time I totally agree with you.
Mae wrote: "I argued with Tytti and she scolded me harshly for mistyping her name, which was a typo."I merely pointed out how it was written. And after you had written it wrong maybe five times in a row, it wasn't the first time.
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