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[Annika]

Mae wrote: "Roasted almonds anyone? "

I feel obliged to thank you for providing all the food throughout this whole discussion.

[Belle ~carry on my wayward son~]

Lol. Annika :)
I got the cake

[Elisa Santos]

Babafaba(Hypnos)((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))(((Scuttle)))((((Scar)))) wrote: " also stay away. Stop commenting here, let us talk about whatever we want and come back on July 2nd. :)"

Kudos to that! Stop waisting your precious time here and come back on July 2nd - it is best! And we are not talking off-topic non-sense - understanding war is a big part of this book, that you chose to discuss. So, whatever research you are doing, war will be implicated in that, or else Anne would not have written one line in her diary.
Threads have a tendency to deviate, to take new directions, but as long as there is civilized discussion, there is nothing wrong with it and you might find yourself actually learning something from all the different POV´s.

Leslie - if you feel bothered with the supposed off-topicness, then there is a simple solution: unsbscribe the thread. and don´t come back to answer to anything.

Trixie - i was a member of a forum for some 4 years and the empathy between the members was such, that we remained friends til now, even if we have never met face to face. But the shared interests and views give that warm and close feeling. I feel like i know a bit of all of you and i´ve learned a lot in this simple thread, that was supposed to be a poll....

Mae - you must be an excelent cook - bring the roasted almonds; i´ll get the pot of coffee, so that we stay alert until The Big Reveal.

[Olivia]

You can't have coffee without coffee cake!!

[[deleted user]]

I read this discussion, and I am struck with the complete bafflement at the whole thing. Okay, I can understand if you might think that the book didn't live up to your expectations, or maybe you didn't like it because it was not as exciting as you like, but I think that just plain hating the book is not the nicest way to put it, especially when you do not follow up with reasons.

Secondly, Anamika might not have started this for attention, but choosing a specific date (July 2) for a "big reveal" seems just a bit attention craving.

Next comes the whole thing on vagueness. No disrespect meant, but maybe you could be more specific on why doing a research project takes up every second of your time for a month. Then again, none of us really know Anamika, so to be fair, she could actually have a perfectly good reason for being all mysterious.

Also, I think that if she is not willing to give is the reasons for hating the book until July 2nd, we should be allowed to speak on the topic of war or something at least semi-relating to the book. Or, of it really bothers her, she should delete this thread, but apparently it's "not that easy".

I apologize if I came down to hard, or seemed rude about it, that was not my intention, just to share my thoughts, Anamika.

Oh, and I wouldn't mind some of that cake! :)

[Mae]

Annika wrote: "Mae wrote: "Roasted almonds anyone? "

I feel obliged to thank you for providing all the food throughout this whole discussion." I was a caterer at one point.

[[deleted user]]

Oh, and Anamika, I would really really really like a response to this question: why did you choose July 2nd? Did you,like,lab out the whole thing and make a presentation or some thing or is that the only day in two months that you have at least 20 minutes of free time? I am sorry if I seem demanding or rude, but I just would like to hear your reasons.

[Mae]

Olivia wrote: "You can't have coffee without coffee cake!!"
You are on Olivia, it better be as good as mine.

[[deleted user]]

Mae wrote: " I was a caterer at one point."

Haha Mae. :)

[Mae]

I love you guys, this has to be the most fun I have ever had on a thread. Call me a troller, but it has been educational and just plain fun. Nothing like a good argument, with smart well read people, particularly when we disagree.

[Mae]

Mae wrote: "Annika wrote: "Mae wrote: "Roasted almonds anyone? "

I feel obliged to thank you for providing all the food throughout this whole discussion." I was a caterer at one point."
But I cannot take the credit… I think Maria was the first to offer Popcorn.

[[deleted user]]

Thank you Maria! :)

[Joana]

Mae wrote: "I love you guys, this has to be the most fun I have ever had on a thread. Call me a troller, but it has been educational and just plain fun. Nothing like a good argument, with smart well read peo..."

Couldn't agree more!

[Trixie]

Julane wrote: "Oh, and Anamika, I would really really really like a response to this question: why did you choose July 2nd? Did you,like,lab out the whole thing and make a presentation or some thing or is that th..."


If you think Anamika is going to give you a reason for choosing a specific date, dream on. We've been asking for her reason for hating this book since - well, I've lost track now, but it feels like forever. So, Julane, without wishing to be rude - don;t hold your breath and stop being so darned apologetic! ;)

[Trixie]

Hey guys...be careful with all this talk of food.....you'll have Anamika whining again that we're not paying attention to her, and not treating her very own thread with respect.

[[deleted user]]

Trixie wrote: "Julane wrote: "Oh, and Anamika, I would really really really like a response to this question: why did you choose July 2nd? Did you,like,lab out the whole thing and make a presentation or some thin..."

Haha, none taken. I suppose you are right, but she seems like she would try to defend herself. It was worth a shot.... :)

[Mae]

Julane wrote: "Trixie wrote: "Julane wrote: "Oh, and Anamika, I would really really really like a response to this question: why did you choose July 2nd? Did you,like,lab out the whole thing and make a presentati..."
We have all tried… but either she is a bot, or she really is doing school work.

[[deleted user]]

Mae wrote: "Julane wrote: "Trixie wrote: "Julane wrote: "Oh, and Anamika, I would really really really like a response to this question: why did you choose July 2nd? Did you,like,lab out the whole thing and ma..."

I don't know... You are right, but I just want to know about the whole "specific date" thing.... oh well. ;)

[Trixie]

Anamika is very defensive, and that's about all she is. There is no substance to her at all, and if you've had the patience to trawl right through this thread from the beginning, you will see that I have expressed my doubts as to her actual existence. I've noticed a slight change of tone in her last, albeit very short, comments. Even though short they seemed different in structure and tone from her previous posts.....have a look, see if you agree.

Do I have the patience to hang around until 2nd July for the rabbit? Aha...we'll see.

[Mae]

I just had trawl looking for the first Popcorn offer, it was Sara. I think it is still the same person writing, but either she is being very careful about her english or… but there is "the Anne Frank blah blah blah" today, she has been using the blah blah blah thing all along,. I am telling you, my son thinks she is just a very bright 8 year old. No meat on the bones yet.

[Trixie]

Mae - comments 557 and 559 - very short, but there is something different. The blah, blah, blah was something she copied and pasted from a much earlier comment she made way back when I wasn't as old as I feel now - I'm ageing rapidly with this thread ;)

[Kallie]

Anamika wrote: "One more time I repeat:I just want to know whether anyone else hates the diary.I understand that Anne Frank has suffered many difficulties and I'm not saying it is lame.Al I want to know is whether..."

No.

[Rose]

Not really :)

[Margot]

I love it! Definitely in my top ten. :)

[Margot]

Btw, Anamika, why do you even care who else likes/hates it? It's your own opinion. Honestly, this entire thread is just a plea for attention. I mean, really.

[Duane]

AHA!!

Finally, it has come to me in a blinding flash why I am so aggravated with these "Hate" threads

I don't understand why y'alls will KEEP READING something long enough to "Hate" it? I mean, if something bugs me THAT bad, I just PUNT the mofo! I mean, why sit there wallowing in it until you've got smoke coming out your ears and have to start a "Hate" thread in order to vent your frustration?

I mean, there's PLENTY of books and women and motorcycles and whisky out there... Why continue to beat yourself over the head with one you don't like?

Life is too short for QRP...

I think I'll go post this brilliant incisive analysis of mine on all the "Book Hate" threads. (That ought to at least give all the Book Haters something else to hate for the moment.)

[Mae]

Trixie wrote: "Mae - comments 557 and 559 - very short, but there is something different. The blah, blah, blah was something she copied and pasted from a much earlier comment she made way back when I wasn't as ..."
You got a point. I also noticed that those two comments were different. But I thought that it may have been the shortness.

[Belle ~carry on my wayward son~]

Julane wrote: "I read this discussion, and I am struck with the complete bafflement at the whole thing. Okay, I can understand if you might think that the book didn't live up to your expectations, or maybe you di..."

well said.

[Trixie]

Duane wrote: "AHA!!

Finally, it has come to me in a blinding flash why I am so aggravated with these "Hate" threads

I don't understand why y'alls will KEEP READING something long enough to "Hate" it? I mean, ..."

Thing is Duane, Anamika's opening statement was that she hated this BEFORE she had even read it and, although sometime later she said she had (I have my doubts), this is what got people upset.....but then I'm sure you understand that.


I'm sure we all appreciate your analytical and articulate, if not intelligent, viewpoint. I think you're wasted on this thread - I see you have made inroads into sharing this opinion, word for word, on at least one other thread. So, rather than waste your talents, go grab yer woman, yer whisky, the book of yer choice - Rednecks 'R' Us, isn't it? - hop on yer motor-sickle and blast off into the great unknown....;) LOL.

[Trixie]

Anamika wrote: "We could talk now about how, we are free to kidnap the thread until Anamika posts her reasons. My son has another theory-- Anamika is a brilliantly precocious 8 years old girl.

Very funny.

Well s..."

Well I think you have your answer to how many people share your opinion - without counting them, I would say VERY few. I hope this helps all this research....
whatever it is.

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn - this has turned into an interesting discussion with very little input from you.

[Joana]

Anamika wrote: "We'll see about that.And frankly speaking you should be thanking your stars you aren't talking to me in person.

And why is that? You avoid explanations and make vague comments better in person?

[Joana]

And your sarcasm detector needs a trip to the shop.

A word of advice: empty attempts at intimidation make you appear weak. If you want respect, that's one thing you need to avoid. In all honestly, the first thing that came to mind when I read it were one of those small dogs that bark a lot to appear intimidating in front of larger dogs. And you shouldn't say online anything that you aren't prepared to say face to face.

[Trixie]

Anamika wrote: "We'll see about that.And frankly speaking you should be thanking your stars you aren't talking to me in person.

My research is not only on the hate part but many other things.Right now I'm a littl..."


I should be thanking my stars I'm not talking to you in person? What sort of comment is that? Sounds very threatening and aggressive to me. I suppose you would like me to respond in kind - I won't. I will not be drawn into any sort of aggressive conflict whether it is in person, on paper or over the internet.

If you research is about aggression and conflict - you do have plenty of material on this thread. What do you mean "only on the hate part"? You are just about the only person who has used the word "hate" in relation to this diary. I think you need ro re-read your own posts my dear....

[Trixie]

I'm feeling like one of the three Billy Goat's Gruff here......

[Joana]

Anamika wrote: "I didn't mean according to the last line of your earlier comment.I meant it in a different manner and I think it would be nice(no offense) if you keep your piece of advice to yourself and try going..."

I am. Anything I've said here, I'd say to you in person. And in person you would've already given me a complete explanation, too... Oh, the limitations of technology

[Joana]

Anamika wrote: "Well you did say one thing correct but I'm different in real life and internet.Now case closed,you think that you win and I'll think that I won.Can we get back to hating the diary now?Well if you d..."

Your verb tenses are all over the place (and I'm not going for any kind of literary variation of an argumentum ad hominem here, just pointing it out as you asked.) We can't go back if we didn't hate it in the first place. If everyone that doesn't hate it said goodbye you'd be left talking to yourself.

[Joana]

Anamika wrote: "Babafaba(Hypnos)((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))(((Scuttle)))((((Scar)))) wrote: "Anamika wrote: "Well you did say one thing correct but I'm different in real life and internet.Now case ..."

Maybe in a week. Read it over, I'm sure you'll see it

[Belle ~carry on my wayward son~]

every time i come back, i have no idea whats going on because u guys write so much...

[Mae]

Trixie wrote: "I'm feeling like one of the three Billy Goat's Gruff here......" lmho lol

[Mae]

Her original voice is back.
@Anamika, you asked for help in your research, I have asked you once already, what kind of help you need. Your research is on books. What about books you are researching? Is it books you hate without even reading them? I mean I can see a research there… sort of. And sometimes I think you are not understanding what people say to you. Joana did not threaten you, just advised you not to threaten others. But perhaps, you didn't really mean to be threatening and again the usage of the language escaped you. That is okay. It happens. Most of us here are willing to work with you if you ask. Instead, you intervene with Yoda like sentences, without the wisdom part. This is not meant as an insult, its just that you are not providing info for us to partake in the purpose of your search and thus the thread like you want it to be. Your comments are causing the opposite reaction, you may expect. Which brings me back to the fact, that you are sounding younger and younger.

[Mae]

Because truth be said, I am still here, because I would like to know why someone so young can "hate" blindly. Maybe, we can all learn from where you are coming from, or maybe you can learn from the very interesting pool of people that have been attracted to this discussion. Mind you, that you were the reason they came… we are the reason we stayed.

[Tytti]

Trixie wrote: "I'm not interested in justification of something that happened years ago - it's where you go from here, and I get the feeling you prefer to live within the history of your country."

It's the history I know best and it's a very good counterpoint to your argument, or more like an "opinion". I can tell that the Finnish politicians tried talking to the last minute but Stalin started the war. He himself even said that other countries wouldn't allow Finland to stay neutral. Fighting alone against a superpower was not in Finland's best interests, our Commander-in-Chief Mannerheim thought we would last 7-10 days. You still didn't give one example of how Finns should have behaved, instead chose to walk away from the debade and keep your "opinion", even when I provided facts that clearly say it's not an opinion based on anything other than.. idealism(?), which is not a really good basis when talking about a country's or it's people's survival. Who is now rigid?

"The Soviet regime then rejected the US offer to mediate between Finland and the Soviet Union, cutting the diplomatic relations with Finland." Yeah, talking with the enemy, that'll work...
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Seve...

The Winter War is also a very good warning as to why you shouldn't easily start wars, which is why I would think you would be more interested in it. Stalin thought it would take 10-12 days, instead it lasted 105 and like one Russian general is quoted as saying: "We won enough land to bury our dead". The superpowers keep getting reminded of the fact but they still keep doing it. You might remember that Finland was against the Iraq war but our objections don't usually matter much. It also serves as a good example how "a will" can be more important than material issues.

Also, when following the lead-up to the Iraq War I recognized the same propaganda from Bush (and I guess also from Blair) that Stalin had used in the fall of 1939. I very much suspected that the decision to start a war had already been made months ago and the inspections etc. were just a smokescreen (the "WMD" was Bush's "Shelling of Mainila"). As it turns out, I had been right. Debating about it with Americans on one forum was unbelievable, they really thought that Iraq was a threat to them and that Al-Qaida and Saddam Hussein were connected... Effective propaganda at its "best". Nothing really changes in the world and that makes even the Winter War relevent. "Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it."

That quote from Israeli general.. well it seems Israelis haven't been listening to him much. The Palestinians are in a similar situation as Finns were, mentally, and I have no reason to believe they will ever stop fighting against the occupation in the current conditions. They really have nothing to lose anymore. Finnish UN peacekeeping forces have clashed many times with the Israeli Army and they even killed one when bombing a UN base (not for the first time, either), so there is not much sympathy for them, either. Still Finland tries to work for the peace, we just also understand that there might be casualties. As far as I know, the Finnish forces have earned the respect both from the locals and other soldiers in many places they have served.

[Tytti]

@ Belle and others: I am talking about the Winter War between Finland and the Soviet Union, which was part of WWII and fought for 105 days in 1939-40. The most famous weapon of that war? The Molotov Cocktail, used against tanks. Finns named it after Molotov had sent "breadbaskets" (bombs) to Finnish towns.

Here is an American lecture about the war: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUl4C... and some documentaries can be found, too. It had also larger repercussions in the later stages of WWII, mainly in regards to the Operation Barbarossa. At the time it was also a possibility that UK and France had ended up at war against the Soviet Union.
For those that it's too long, here is a small sample of it, taken from the movie The Winter War, which is very accurate and based on The Winter War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ELfM...

Another document about the Estonian and Finnish women in the middle of the war: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP9p9... by Imbi Paju.

[Daniel]

This is such a strange thread. The author is obviously trolling. And so many people are giving into it. "I can't state my personal reasons now, but maybe later"... you know you are being trolled right there. So why continue the conversation?
And don't get me wrong, it's a fun read and all, but you guys seem so serious.

[Dusty Bibliophile]

The thread may have been started as a trolling thread but the discussion between the thread posters isn't. May as well make lemonade with the lemons.

[Belle ~carry on my wayward son~]

@Dustin, yeah. and @Tytti, oh, okay, i have no idea about that war (i know about WW1 but not the Winter War) but i will look at your links. thanks for taking the time to post those. :)

[Tytti]

Belle wrote: "@Dustin, yeah. and @Tytti, oh, okay, i have no idea about that war (i know about WW1 but not the Winter War) but i will look at your links. thanks for taking the time to post those. :)"

WW2, not WW1. Finland wasn't involved in WWI, except that Finns did fight on both sides, as officers in the Imperial Russian Army like Mannerheim (Mannerheim: President, Soldier, Spy) and as volunteer Jaegers learning warfare (to liberate Finland from the Russian rule) in the German army on the other side of the front. In 1918 they combined forces to fight the Civil War against the Reds who had attempted a revolution like in Russia.

[Belle ~carry on my wayward son~]

-_-

[Mae]

Tytti wrote: "Trixie wrote: "I'm not interested in justification of something that happened years ago - it's where you go from here, and I get the feeling you prefer to live within the history of your country."
..."
Tytti, those Americans you spoke to? Were a bunch of ignorant idiots. A lot of Americans, knew that the whole war was a hoax, but there was nothing that could be done to stop the Bush Machinery. You were in the US when you spoke to them? Because Americans that travel, or study in Europe had to be aware of the hoax. We were anyway. They were voices of reason within the US warning… but the propaganda for war was stronger. Had the US been a country that did not like war… probably history would have been different. But the old cowboy mentality is too strong. And for the record, but for Blair, most of the thirty something countries that joined the US was a "fake" coalition. Many of signers, didn't even have armies, or like the case of some countries only sent 6 soldiers, or a boat, or guns… So don't feel that they didn't listen to Finland, bigger countries opposed it and were ignored-- including half of the US country.

[Mae]

Dustin wrote: "The thread may have been started as a trolling thread but the discussion between the thread posters isn't. May as well make lemonade with the lemons." thank you! and now we have lemonade also!