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message 1: by Simon (Highwayman) (last edited Jun 02, 2014 11:36AM) (new)

Simon (Highwayman) (highwayman) | 4276 comments http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bad-Science-B...

Full of spleen, this is a hilarious, invigorating and informative journey through the world of Bad Science. When Dr Ben Goldacre saw someone on daytime TV dipping her feet in an 'Aqua Detox' footbath, releasing her toxins into the water, turning it brown, he thought he'd try the same at home. 'Like some kind of Johnny Ball cum Witchfinder General', using his girlfriend's Barbie doll, he gently passed an electrical current through the warm salt water. It turned brown. In his words: 'before my very eyes, the world's first Detox Barbie was sat, with her feet in a pool of brown sludge, purged of a weekend's immorality.' Dr Ben Goldacre is the author of the Bad Science column in the Guardian. His book is about all the 'bad science' we are constantly bombarded with in the media and in advertising. At a time when science is used to prove everything and nothing, everyone has their own 'bad science' moments from the useless pie-chart on the back of cereal packets to the use of the word 'visibly' in cosmetics ads

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bad-Science-B...


message 2: by Kath (new)

Kath Middleton | 23860 comments Ben writes a column - Guardian, I think. He's brilliant! Doesn't suffer fools gladly and there are plenty out there - fools and charlatans both.


message 3: by Ashley (last edited Jun 09, 2014 04:06AM) (new)

Ashley Simmons (ashles3000) | 7 comments I love Ben Goldacre - Simon Singh covers similar subjects in his columns and Twitter feed (and more code/maths subjects in his books):

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments I had the paperback of this.

Shame it wasn't an ebook. I'd love to re-read it.


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Richard Martinus | 551 comments Simon sort of panicked me into suggesting this as a group read. I then worried because plenty of people, particularly humanities graduates, find Goldacre’s style abrasive and arrogant. They are missing the main point, though, which is that he’s right.

I spent 12 years up to my retirement in 2012 heading a team supplying evidence summaries to the local primary care trusts and training their staff in doing their own systematic reviews. Then the “Alliance” government felt the need to urine-mark the healthcare sector. The survivors of my team are now in local government somewhere and I have no idea who’s funnelling clinical evidence into the CCGs, CFTs, CSSs, LATs and the rest of the alphabetti spaghetti that constitutes the rump NHS that hasn’t been stealth privatised yet. Which I suppose is more of a worry than whether or not you like Goldacre’s style. Anyway, we need people like him.


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Karen Lowe | 1338 comments Too right. Good choice, Richard. I'm another Ben Goldacre fan.


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Karen Lowe | 1338 comments Just wonderin... can't remember if Ben's done a spiel about the current Statins debate?
Feeling a tad smug cos when we went for our MOT, my statins were mega good - cos I eat mostly fish and have been weightwatchering for ever.


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Michael Cargill (michaelcargill) | 2992 comments I read this a year or so ago, very good book.


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Peta Gentry | 21 comments Patti (baconater) wrote: "I had the paperback of this.

Shame it wasn't an ebook. I'd love to re-read it."

It is an ebook - I've got it.


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments I meant shame the copy I had wasn't an ebook.

Can't see myself buying it again.

I'm breaking the bank buying books because of that Damn David Staniforth's fave authors thread.


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Peta Gentry | 21 comments I got it for 99p on a Kindle daily giveaway...
I find he has a tendency to think he's the only one who's right. As Richard says he can be arrogant.


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David Staniforth (davidstaniforth) | 7935 comments Patti (baconater) wrote: "I meant shame the copy I had wasn't an ebook.

Can't see myself buying it again.

I'm breaking the bank buying books because of that Damn David Staniforth's fave authors thread."


Glad to be of service, madam :~)


message 13: by Karen (new)

Karen Lowe | 1338 comments Peta wrote: "I got it for 99p on a Kindle daily giveaway...
I find he has a tendency to think he's the only one who's right. As Richard says he can be arrogant."

Arrogant is fine - cos he is prob right anyway


message 14: by Richard (new)

Richard Martinus | 551 comments Karen wrote: "Peta wrote: "Arrogant is fine - cos he is prob right anyway"

Speaking as father and father-in-law to nurses, I say of course he's arrogant - he's a doctor! But on his central theme - that decisions about our health ought to be based on evidence rather than smoke and mirrors - he's def right.

Having suggested the book, I've now dutifully finished rereading it. One thing that jumps out at you from the 2nd edition is all the fulsome reviews from the likes of the Telegraph, Times, Mail et al, the very same papers he savagely lambasts for the inaccuracy, nay, mendacity of their science reporting. We appear to have entered the post-ironic zone.


message 15: by Richard (new)

Richard Martinus | 551 comments Postscript: So there we were, sitting in a Welsh bar sampling the local single malt (Penderyn). This would have been much cosier but for the (not Welsh) woman talking loudly behind us. Suddenly she started singing the praises Ben Goldacre, encouraging her listeners to read his Guardian column and his book in which he demolishes Gillian KcKeith et al. “He’s also against drugs,” she proclaimed and, without pausing for breath, went on to detail how being prescribed steroids as a teenager had wrecked her digestion. She was now once again able to eat normally, thanks to the help of a herbologist who had her on turmeric and charcoal and, of course, never eating proteins and carbohydrates in the same meal.

So close, and yet so far.


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Michael Cargill (michaelcargill) | 2992 comments Silly cow, I hope you slapped her.


message 17: by Richard (new)

Richard Martinus | 551 comments English reserve (a.k.a. cowardice) prevailed.


message 18: by Karen (new)

Karen Lowe | 1338 comments The whisky's good tho, isn't it


message 19: by Richard (new)

Richard Martinus | 551 comments It divided opinion chez Martinus: I really liked it but the missus was indifferent. Must be my Welsh genes at work.


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments I read something that Scottish whiskey was shot into space three years ago and it's due back soon.

Id google it, but I'm lazy.


message 21: by Kath (new)

Kath Middleton | 23860 comments If it was Scottish it would by whisky. It's Irish and American that have the e.


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Oh would it by?

;)


message 23: by Richard (new)

Richard Martinus | 551 comments We celebrated the purchase of our new abode by breaking into the Ardbeg Corryvreckan. That was something else again. As my uncle Martin said under different circumstances, "like angels pissing on my tongue".


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments That's disappointing.

I was expecting tinkling angels.


message 26: by Richard (new)

Richard Martinus | 551 comments Patti (baconater) wrote: "That's disappointing.

I was expecting tinkling angels."


Curiously, a Google image search on those exact terms doesn't bring any up. But it did yield a picture of Gordon Brown.


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Google image search.

You're doing it wrong.


Gingerlily - The Full Wild | 34228 comments If he gets Gordon Brown he doing it very wring!!


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Wrung even!


Gingerlily - The Full Wild | 34228 comments Wrang, surely.


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Wreng, certainly.


message 32: by Gingerlily - The Full Wild (last edited Sep 13, 2014 01:22PM) (new)

Gingerlily - The Full Wild | 34228 comments It think we have squeezed every last drop out of that joke.


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments You might think so, but you're wryng.


Gingerlily - The Full Wild | 34228 comments Sigh....

What was this thread about, exactly?


Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments I dunno.

Some book or other.


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