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message 2501: by Rusalka, Moderator (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19221 comments Sorry to hear about your uncle, Margo. Please look after yourself while you are looking after him, and check in with us now and then to say hello. We're all thinking of you.

Grats Peggy! That is fantastic news!

Back this evening. Shattered. 5 days of 4 kids, 1 dog, 1 brand new puppy, 1 cat, 4 chooks, and 6 adults in a 3 bedroom house was a bit of an eye opener for us. Matilda was amazing, food was delicious, wine was great and copious.

Woke up every morning to something happening. Blanket forts this morning with "whispering" arguments about whether towels were allowed in blanket forts, the puppy grabbing a chook another morning, Lexx going to the bathroom and discovering the 4 year old sitting in the bathroom sink which was only noticed when the 4 year old started nattering at him another morning, etc. Our house is gloriously quiet!


message 2502: by Janice, Moderator (last edited Jun 26, 2017 06:38PM) (new)

Janice (jamasc) | 60078 comments Wow! That sounds pretty much like mayhem, Rusalka, but fun. It's good to have an adventure from time to time.


message 2503: by Sandra, Moderator (new)

Sandra (sanlema) | 11301 comments Well, it sounds like daily life to me. :)


message 2504: by Tejas Janet (new)

Tejas Janet (tejasjanet) | 3513 comments Our 8-year-old nephew was staying with us last week for an annual summertime visit. This evening my spouse said, "Listen, it's so quiet." My nephew is a little bee hive of activity that you can hear humming around the house when he's visiting. What an awesome tho pretty tiring week : )


message 2505: by Sarah (new)

Sarah | 18550 comments I agree with Janice, Rusalka. Mayhem! You mentioned Matilda - was that the Tim Minchin one? I would love to see that! Off to checkout UK tour dates now.

We got some stuff done at the weekend on the boat but not as much as I'd have liked. Story of ours lives! Oh well.

I had my re-root canal treatment done yesterday. I used some self hypnosis so it wasn't as bad as I thought it might be. It took an hour and there was a slight complication. It's possible the tooth has a hairline crack which isn't showing up on the xray. She couldn't get the replacement pin thing to go up as high as she would have liked as I could feel it. It almost felt like it was coming out of the end of the tooth and up in to my jaw bone. Probably wasn't but that's how it felt. So it's not an ideal root canal. Just need to see how it will take but I get the distinct feeling it will have all been a waste of time and I'll have to have the tooth taken out. It's feeling ok right now though and that's the main thing.


message 2506: by Rusalka, Moderator (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19221 comments Sandra wrote: "Well, it sounds like daily life to me. :)"

I was thinking about you lol


message 2507: by Rusalka, Moderator (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19221 comments Sarah wrote: "I agree with Janice, Rusalka. Mayhem! You mentioned Matilda - was that the Tim Minchin one? I would love to see that! Off to checkout UK tour dates now."

It was indeed. We missed it in Sydney and Melbourne, but our friends got their kids tickets for Christmas presents, and invited us to come and stay and join them. Totally worth it. Amazing music, pretty true to my most favourite of kids books, the set was awesome, and I feel truly unaccomplished after watching the cast of 10 year olds.

Highly recommend for everyone if you get the chance.


message 2508: by Rusalka, Moderator (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19221 comments Sorry the root canal didn't go as planned Sarah. Here's hoping it worked better than what you think it did.

LOL I completely understand TJ.


message 2509: by Annerlee (new)

Annerlee | 2873 comments Well, I made it back home on the boat ok - the boat was rolling about quite a bit and the stabilisers shuddered a few times as the boat righted itself, but nothing I couldn't cope with. I slept through most of it (lol)

I heard back from my interview.. unsuccessful I'm afraid. The interviewer did say she there were other vacancies coming up in her department that I should apply for and she thought I would fit in well for some of them - so that's hopeful.

Thanks for your support everyone.


message 2510: by Sarah (new)

Sarah | 18550 comments The next UK tour is end of 2018/beg of 2019 so a while off but the have it showing in Cardiff which would be the closest for me. On my list of things to organise now. Thanks for mentioning it Rusalka. I follow him on facebook but for some reason never thought to check out the show here in the UK assuming it was an Australia thing.

That's a shame Annerlee but sounds promising about the upcoming vacancies. Hopefully it won't be too much longer for you in your current roll.


message 2511: by Margo (new)

Margo | 11668 comments Thanks for all the good wishes guys. We got very bad news about my uncle on friday. The tumor is very large and deep rooted. Various tests going on at the moment. They might let him home at the weekend and back in for major surgery next week,but he will need a lot of looking after and can't live alone.

So....big panic to get a room ready. We have a bed settee in our TV room/spare room but it's not suitable for ill person. Local furniture shop will take settee to the charity shop but only delivers on tuesdays so we've had major dejunking session over the weekend.

I'm sitting here waiting for the delivery and I'm exhausted. This is pretty much the lull before the storm so I'm resting. I even updated a couple of challenges - it's actually very calming! I'll be very hit and miss for the foreseeable and I'm not really concentrating too well so I'm reading (listening mostly) whatever I takes my fancy.


message 2512: by Sarah (new)

Sarah | 18550 comments I am sorry to hear that Margo. Definitely make the most of the quiet times and take care of yourself. Your Uncle is lucky to have you caring for him. Wishing you all the best.


message 2513: by Lisa (new)

Lisa (lisathebooklover) | 9244 comments Really sorry to hear that, Margo. How awful! Take good care of yourself and try and stay as calm as you possibly can. Sending big hugs to you.


message 2514: by Annerlee (new)

Annerlee | 2873 comments All the very best wishes for you and your uncle, Margo.


message 2515: by Janice, Moderator (new)

Janice (jamasc) | 60078 comments I hope things go well for your uncle's surgery, Margo. How very kind and generous of you to open your home to him.


message 2516: by Margo (new)

Margo | 11668 comments This man is more brother than uncle in the traditional sense. He is 10 years older than me and we pretty much grew up together. I'm just thankful I have a kind husband who is working hard with me to make this happen by friday - just in case!


message 2517: by KimeyDiann (new)

KimeyDiann | 2174 comments The difference in vacation pay in other parts of the world and the US is a little ridiculous! A minimum two weeks in Canada to a minimum of 4 weeks in European countries with nothing at all required in the US. I'm over here excited that next year I'll get a full 3 weeks of vacation time and those of you outside America are probably thinking that is sad. LOL.

@Margo don't forget to check in and say Hi and let us know how you are doing. But mainly, don't forget to take care of yourself while caring for your family. sending hugs your way.


message 2518: by KimeyDiann (new)

KimeyDiann | 2174 comments Margo wrote: "This man is more brother than uncle in the traditional sense. He is 10 years older than me and we pretty much grew up together. I'm just thankful I have a kind husband who is working hard with me t..."

Your uncle is very lucky to have you to help care for him in this difficult time. And your husband is pretty awesome to be working so hard to help you both.


message 2519: by jaxnsmom (new)

jaxnsmom | 8341 comments Sorry to hear about your uncle, Margo. Be sure to take care of yourself too - don't let yourself get rundown and be sure and give yourself some special treats too.

Congrats Peggy! The new job'll be here before you know it, especially after a vacation break.

My sister came to visit for a few days and we had a great visit, something that's not always guaranteed. Maybe it was all the wine we drank :)


message 2520: by Saar The Book owl (new)

Saar The Book owl | 2655 comments Sorry to hear that about your uncle, Margo, but it so beautiful of you to help him going through this. Take also good care of yourself and don't be afraid to ask help.


message 2521: by Sarah (new)

Sarah | 18550 comments Grr. not having a good week. First dental treatment and now I've strained a muscle in my groin from swimming. I didn't think it was that bad but this morning i can hardly walk. Last lesson i was being a bit too vigorous with my kicks during breaststroke. I felt pain in the session which i felt that night, then had the usual doms but then Sunday night i couldn't sleep as i had pain in my groin and it has gradually got worse. It's agony whenever i move. I could really do without this.


message 2522: by Lisa (last edited Jun 28, 2017 06:41AM) (new)

Lisa (lisathebooklover) | 9244 comments Oh no, Sarah! Sounds like you need to rest it as much as possible. Have you put ice on it?


message 2523: by Sarah (new)

Sarah | 18550 comments Lisa wrote: "Oh no, Sarah! Sounds like you need to rest it as much as possible. Have you put ice on it?"

I don't have any ice. I have peas which i might try when i get home. Just taking ibuprofen although it's not doing much. I'm going to go to the minor injury unit on my way home to get it checked out.


message 2524: by Janice, Moderator (new)

Janice (jamasc) | 60078 comments Ouch, Sarah! I hope that heals quickly and that your week picks up.


message 2525: by Kristie, Moderator (new)

Kristie | 19327 comments Oh geez, Sarah. This has not been your week. I hope you heal quickly.


message 2526: by KimeyDiann (new)

KimeyDiann | 2174 comments Oh no, Sarah. I hope you get to feeling better. Are you riding your bike to work this week? I don't know if walking or riding a bike would be more painful with that type of injury.

My husband is coming home after he gets off work today! He should get here around midnight if he can leave when he's planning to. I'm so excited. It has been just shy of 3 weeks since we've been together since I didn't get to go visit him any this time. He coming home a little early this week because he has some doctor appointments and a dentist appointment. I'm taking off work so I can go with him and just spend some extra time with him in general.


message 2527: by KimeyDiann (new)

KimeyDiann | 2174 comments Speaking of my husband's doctor appointments... I'm starting to feel a little nervous about one of them. We have a consultation in the morning to see about him getting a vasectomy. I'm not nervous about the procedure or having any second thoughts about this decision, I'm more worried about potential judgment from the doctor and nursing staff.

We are both in our early 30's and decided a long time ago that we didn't want to have children. I've actually said that since I was a teenager while he was open to the idea of kids. Eventually he came to the decision that he didn't want children either. We've discussed it many times over the years, especially when our close friends all started having babies. We are in agreement that procreating is not something we want to do. We love our nieces and nephews and friends' kids, but have no desire to have any of our own.

But try telling other people that, especially those with kids or know that they want to have kids, and you get lectured.
You don't know what you'll be missing.
You'd be such great parents.
You'll change your mind.
You've never known love until your a parent.
Who'll take care of you when your old?
Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.....

We've only told one friend we are pursuing this and she is understanding. My parents are still holding out hope we'll have kids and I'm afraid telling my mom about this will break her heart. I don't want to have to deal with a doctor that is judgmental or tries to talk us out of our decision. I don't know that he will, but it is a possibility.


message 2528: by Lisa (new)

Lisa (lisathebooklover) | 9244 comments Sarah wrote: "Lisa wrote: "Oh no, Sarah! Sounds like you need to rest it as much as possible. Have you put ice on it?"

I don't have any ice. I have peas which i might try when i get home. Just taking ibuprofen ..."


Hopefully they will be able to do something for you, Sarah.

I found out yesterday my appointment with Neurology this Friday to discuss my MRI scan results has been changed to Friday 14th July! It's a bit frustrating but I know what the NHS is like and what pressure they are under. Also, I'm assuming if anything really serious had shown up on my scan that I would have been seen by now. Hopefully it has just confirmed what the neurologist already suspected I was suffering from.


message 2529: by Lisa (last edited Jun 28, 2017 08:58AM) (new)

Lisa (lisathebooklover) | 9244 comments KimeyDiann wrote: "Speaking of my husband's doctor appointments... I'm starting to feel a little nervous about one of them. We have a consultation in the morning to see about him getting a vasectomy. I'm not nervous ..."

Don't be worried about being judged, Kimey. It's your life and your decision. If they doctor tries to talk you out of it, just hold firm. They can offer advice but they can't make the decision for you. I think it's really wrong that society is so judgemental these days. Why does everyone have to get married and have kids? Having kids is a huge responsibility and not for everyone. I can't see myself ever having kids tbh. Health issues aside, I have never felt any desire thus far in my life to have any. Many of my friends have already got kids or are planning to at some stage because they are feeling broody, but not me. I am only 30 and things could change of course but at the moment, I don't see kids in my future at all.


message 2530: by Travis (new)

Travis (travistousant) | 6011 comments All my doctor said was are you two both positive this is what you want. Yup. Ok just making sure you given it thought. Wasn't being judgemental bit did ask. I wouldn't worry anyway when will you ever see the Dr again. As long as he behaves and doesn't make them swell like balloons should never have to make a second visit to Dr. Unless need surgery of a different nature.


message 2531: by Travis (new)

Travis (travistousant) | 6011 comments Now my Dr. I went to school with his son although Doc really didn't remember me at all. But when my classmate turned about 20 and his sister 23 or 24. Doc did decide he missed small kids so he had two more. So I understood also part of his asking was from his own life experience.


message 2532: by Travis (new)

Travis (travistousant) | 6011 comments The morning of my procedure I called my equipment salesman told him I'd be up at 8am to look at 3 used corn planters they had on the lot. Went up looked at them at about 850 I said yeah I'm definitely gonna buy one of these most likely this one but I'll call you tomorrow with an answer I've got to run up to hospital real quick and get snipped. Everyone always thinks that's so funny. I called it time management


message 2533: by Kristie, Moderator (new)

Kristie | 19327 comments Kimey, you need to do what's right for you. As long as you and your husband are in agreement, no one else's opinion really matters. I don't think anyone should have children because they feel pressured by others or obligated by society. Everyone is different and kids are not for everyone.


message 2534: by Janice, Moderator (new)

Janice (jamasc) | 60078 comments A former co-worker of mine & her husband made a conscious decision not to have children and they never regretted it. It's your decision to make, and nobody else's business.

As to the comment about old age, having children isn't a guarantee that you will have someone to take care of you in your old age. There are lots of seniors with absent children.

We went to a wedding when our son was a little guy. I was seated across the table from my ex's uncle, a man I'd never met before (nor seen since). He proceeded to lecture me about the folly of having only one child. I was ticked! I finally said that things don't always work out the way we intend them, and then turned to speak to someone else. People always have opinions.


message 2535: by Janice, Moderator (new)

Janice (jamasc) | 60078 comments Travis, LOL! Time management, indeed!


message 2536: by Margo (new)

Margo | 11668 comments KimeyDiann wrote: "Speaking of my husband's doctor appointments... I'm starting to feel a little nervous about one of them. We have a consultation in the morning to see about him getting a vasectomy. I'm not nervous ..."

Kimey, in my experience there are people who will judge you no matter what choices you make in life. It is they that have the problem, not you! I have one child and am regularly judged for that. In my case it was not by choice, I wanted more, but that is not something I want to explain to everyone.
When I was a working mother I was judged for that. Now I am a disabled stay-at-home mother and I'm still made to feel guilty!

My point is that we are all different and make choices according to that. Having children so that they can "look after you in old age" is incredibly selfish and short sighted. The world is over populated - get a good pension plan instead ;-p


message 2537: by Margo (new)

Margo | 11668 comments Lisa wrote: "Sarah wrote: "Lisa wrote: "Oh no, Sarah! Sounds like you need to rest it as much as possible. Have you put ice on it?"

I don't have any ice. I have peas which i might try when i get home. Just tak..."


Lisa I am so sorry to hear that your that your appointment has been postponed. It is a terrible thing knowing that they have your results and that you still can't get them.
The hardest part is always the waiting.

I was just thinking of you this morning as I am organising myself for my totally routine pain procedure tomorrow. Mine is positive as it makes it a easier for me to walk and it is in the local hospital so minimal driving :-)


message 2538: by Margo (new)

Margo | 11668 comments Travis sivarT wrote: "The morning of my procedure I called my equipment salesman told him I'd be up at 8am to look at 3 used corn planters they had on the lot. Went up looked at them at about 850 I said yeah I'm definit..."

Now that made me laugh :-D


message 2539: by Sarah (new)

Sarah | 18550 comments As Margo said Kimey, there will always be people who have opinions and judge you regardless of your choices. As Travis said, you are not going to see the doctor again so don't worry about what he thinks. It's your choice. My partner and I have made the choice not to have children as well. I did want them when I was much younger but my thoughts on the subject changed over the years. People have as much right to make the choice not to have children as those who make the choice to have them. You're making that choice more permanent and that is perfectly acceptable ad within your rights, and again, it is your choice. Hats off to you I say! It is definitely more difficult when you have to deal with family members. But you were not put on this earth to provide grandkids for your parents.

How annoying Lisa about your appointment. I like your thinking though. If it were serious, they'd have prioritised your appointment surely.

I went to the walk in centre about my leg but it was kind of pointless. They just confirmed it was probably a groin strain like I said and to just take pain killers and alternate between heat and ice. I slept better last night so I didn't fidget so much and waking up this morning it already feels a lot better. The test is when I have to walk to the bus stop later to go to work.


message 2540: by Margo (new)

Margo | 11668 comments Sounds sore Sarah! It's horrible when pain keeps you awake. Plenty of rest my girl ;-)


message 2541: by Sandra, Moderator (new)

Sandra (sanlema) | 11301 comments Kimey, I am judge for having 8 kids, so...


message 2542: by Sarah (new)

Sarah | 18550 comments A theme is developing. No kids. One kid. Eight kids. And anywhere in between and beyond. People judge. Such a shame especially when people worry about their choices because of what others might think. Or even do something that they don't actually want to do.


message 2543: by Kristie, Moderator (new)

Kristie | 19327 comments Exactly what I was thinking, Sarah. Not enough kids, too many kids, you can't stay home with them, you can't work, why are you single, career is too important, not important enough...everyone seems to have an opinion. I don't know why people feel it is ok to judge others for their life decisions. Do what makes you happy.


message 2544: by Rusalka, Moderator (last edited Jun 29, 2017 06:55AM) (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19221 comments KimeyDiann wrote: "Speaking of my husband's doctor appointments... I'm starting to feel a little nervous about one of them. We have a consultation in the morning to see about him getting a vasectomy. I'm not nervous ..."

Oh jeez. Welcome to my world! I completely and utterly understand.

Lexx doesn't want kids, I am nonplussed. Fertility on my Mum's side is iffy, so I never got wedded to the idea as what happens if I couldn't, like a lot of the women on that side of the family? Then throw in Lexx's T1 diabetes... do I want a kid I am stressing about every night if they will survive the night? But you mention any of this to anyone and you get a fricking hour long lecture about everything and anything.

In the end, it becomes my self worth is my uterus. And you know what? I can be amazing without using it. I am not my organ. I am a whole person with many organs, including my brain.

This is not in any way shape or form discounting anyone who would like to spawn. As I have highlighted earlier this week, I am in awe of you all and think you are superheroes! But I dislike there is a tie to your worth as a human being to whether you procreated. Ignoring the children you have influenced otherwise, or the adults you have. It's off.

Good luck. People will be or can be judgemental, including the doctors. Screw them. And vasectomies are reversible if you really, really, REALLY, change your mind.


message 2545: by Lisa (new)

Lisa (lisathebooklover) | 9244 comments Sarah wrote: "As Margo said Kimey, there will always be people who have opinions and judge you regardless of your choices. As Travis said, you are not going to see the doctor again so don't worry about what he t..."

Glad you slept better last night, Sarah. Hopefully the combination of ice, heat and painkillers will help. Try and rest it as much as you can too, although that is obviously difficult when you have places you need to be.


message 2546: by Rusalka, Moderator (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19221 comments Travis sivarT wrote: " Everyone always thinks that's so funny. I called it time management "

*snort*


message 2547: by Rusalka, Moderator (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19221 comments I had to laugh at the old age thing. Lexx's Mum has 10 grandchildren already. She said to him once "Who is going to look after you when you are old?!" My response, without thinking, was "He has 10 nephews and nieces. Hopefully one of them doesn't think he's an arsehole!" She shut up after that.

Between us, with new ones, and mine, we have 16 nephews and nieces so far. I'm predicting another 4.


message 2548: by Rusalka, Moderator (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19221 comments Sandra wrote: "Kimey, I am judge for having 8 kids, so..."

Exactly. You procreated too much!

People are just jerks. Do what's right for you and your partner. No one else gets a say particularly if everyone is loved, looked after, and happy :D


message 2549: by Lisa (new)

Lisa (lisathebooklover) | 9244 comments Rusalka wrote: "Sandra wrote: "Kimey, I am judge for having 8 kids, so..."

Exactly. You procreated too much!

People are just jerks. Do what's right for you and your partner. No one else gets a say particularly ..."


Well said, Rusalka! People are too judgemental these days. Whatever you do, people will judge you for it and I just don't think it's right or fair. The world would be a better place if people kept their noses out of other's business, particularly when it comes to personal life decisions such as having kids.


message 2550: by Sandra, Moderator (new)

Sandra (sanlema) | 11301 comments Rusalka wrote: "Exactly. You procreated too much! "

I think people tend to say explicitly you are wrong for not having kids, but they are more hypocritical when you have a bunch. Everyone will say how cute, mom duck and the ducklings, but the truth is most people think having too many kids is a symptom of ignorance and lack of self control. I, honestly, don't give a sh*t.


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