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Arpit wrote: "Ramayana was telecasted at the wrong time. I knew it emptied streets, and people garlanded their TV sets, but wasn't aware of its political effect. My father says that my grandma used to go to nei..."
Haven't seen Ramayana. No memories either. Vividly remember Mahabharata. And have seen that DD1 Mahabharata - 94 episodes again in 2013.
Arpit wrote: "I guess the latter is true. Also to "protect" their culture and language."How will culture and language be protected making it a separate country? Until they stop immigrants.
Last part seems true. And yeah extremists have the foremost role to play as usual.
Don't find much to discuss in the current chapter. Its wrapping up.
28.3Have moved from Riots to Rulers...
The current stalwarts are in picture now. Manmohan Singh, Sonia, Modi.
Regarding this Ayodhya issue, even if they somehow build a temple there.... do you think it will sustain? It will come down in future with the same reasoning how Babri Masjid came down....People are still fighting for this... and God knows till when it will continue!
Thoughts?
By any chance, are you a student of law or philosophy??
I'm on chap 28.
Will speed up from tomorrow.
Will speed up from tomorrow.
Gorab wrote: "Regarding this Ayodhya issue, even if they somehow build a temple there.... do you think it will sustain? It will come down in future with the same reasoning how Babri Masjid came down....
People a..."
Agree.
I'm all for the hospital, but since it's India, even a hospital won't be safe. I think a power plant (thermal) would be good. It will help in electricity problem of UP.
People a..."
Agree.
I'm all for the hospital, but since it's India, even a hospital won't be safe. I think a power plant (thermal) would be good. It will help in electricity problem of UP.
Godhara- He said that it's not really clear who set those compartment on fire. In fact, sir even mentioned that it could be a fault of those Kar-Sevaks, implying that the fire was due to cylinder or something. I didn't know about this version. I thought that it was pretty clear who did this.
So Ayodha case was a very important event in the history of India. It changed the Indian politics for ever.
BJP wouldn't this big without it, nor Modi uncle.
BJP wouldn't this big without it, nor Modi uncle.
Gorab wrote: "Arpit wrote: "Have you watched Bhopal: A Prayer for Rain?
Although it's a terrible movie and I won't recommend it."
No. No intent either. Why do you ask?"
I asked bcoz it was about the Bhopal Gas Tragedy. It does have some horrible scenes. It could have been a great movie, but they messed it up.
Although it's a terrible movie and I won't recommend it."
No. No intent either. Why do you ask?"
I asked bcoz it was about the Bhopal Gas Tragedy. It does have some horrible scenes. It could have been a great movie, but they messed it up.
Gorab wrote: "Arpit wrote: "I guess the latter is true. Also to "protect" their culture and language."
How will culture and language be protected making it a separate country? Until they stop immigrants.
Last p..."
Well, imagine they succeed in a separate country plan somehow. First thing they will do is to ban immigration, make a great wall, ban people from a certain community. I guess that will save the culture, won't it ;)
Pak was built on the promise to provide the Muslim people a country where they wouldn't be subject to another community's oppression, and could live safely and happily. Well, didn't they succeed? Peshawar school attack didn't happen! People are completey safe there! It's all peace there. No girls are stopping from education. Lower muslim community is being treated very well. In short, all is good. Goal accomplished ;)
How will culture and language be protected making it a separate country? Until they stop immigrants.
Last p..."
Well, imagine they succeed in a separate country plan somehow. First thing they will do is to ban immigration, make a great wall, ban people from a certain community. I guess that will save the culture, won't it ;)
Pak was built on the promise to provide the Muslim people a country where they wouldn't be subject to another community's oppression, and could live safely and happily. Well, didn't they succeed? Peshawar school attack didn't happen! People are completey safe there! It's all peace there. No girls are stopping from education. Lower muslim community is being treated very well. In short, all is good. Goal accomplished ;)
Anything is better than other people's involvement...huh.
I don't understand this hatred at all. So what if Hindi got chosen for national language and not Tamil? So what is few new people have arrived in your state that do not speak your language? So what if people from other state are getting jobs in your state bcoz they are more hard working? These all are such petty reasons to start such massive movement.
Ppl should learn adjusting and accepting. Otherwise we won't have anything in the end. First we will fight over religion and demand differnt nations on this basis. Then we will request a complete different nation because we speak different language than others in this country speak. Then culture. Then caste. Then resources. Then colour. Then eating choices. Then...
Oh it will only break the country into million pieces.
I don't understand this hatred at all. So what if Hindi got chosen for national language and not Tamil? So what is few new people have arrived in your state that do not speak your language? So what if people from other state are getting jobs in your state bcoz they are more hard working? These all are such petty reasons to start such massive movement.
Ppl should learn adjusting and accepting. Otherwise we won't have anything in the end. First we will fight over religion and demand differnt nations on this basis. Then we will request a complete different nation because we speak different language than others in this country speak. Then culture. Then caste. Then resources. Then colour. Then eating choices. Then...
Oh it will only break the country into million pieces.
I think people of Punjab had to suffer a lot and still they are most jovial people. #PunjabiRocks
Arpit wrote: "Agree.I'm all for the hospital, but since it's India, even a hospital won't be safe. I think a power plant (thermal) would be good. It will help in electricity problem of UP."
Same thoughts. But even a power plant or any other building might sprout communal feelings owing to the land dispute. I feel nothing of importance should be done there. Just let it be... or max, make a public park.
Arpit wrote: "So Ayodha case was a very important event in the history of India. It changed the Indian politics for ever. BJP wouldn't this big without it, nor Modi uncle."
The reason why Advani ji was pretty upset on not being given the PM post. He was the spearhead during Ayodhya times.... and yes it was very crucial shaping the future poilitics of India.
Godhra, Bofors, Guha ji has played quite diplomatically at all these commentaries. Quite expected, since this is a book highly driven by political "facts"!There is a slight mention of AB and Rajiv Gandhi's friendship (and rift), though without any mention of Bofors in this context.
Notice how Bofors is slightly mentioned and dusted off as a generic political thing...
Arpit wrote: "So what if Hindi got chosen for national language and not Tamil? So what is few new people have arrived in your state that do not speak your language? So what if people from other state are getting jobs in your state bcoz they are more hard working? These all are such petty reasons to start such massive movement."Also notice, cities which have overcome these barriers are the most successful ones (without even a single exception!)
Mumbai Bangalore Pune Hyderabad Delhi.... Not an expert on this data, but ... you get the drift....
Respect begets respect. The way Hindi was chosen, and Tamil was "respected"... along with the "Madrasis"! After all this you expect people to not hate Hindi.At least many in South could still speak and converse using Hindi.... how many such cases can you find about Tamil in North?
In fact, when there is that annual Cauvery water issue between Karnataka and TN, people in North are like -"why Madrasis are fighting against Madrasis?"
Without respect and compassion, you cannot dictate terms. It is bound to create reverse effect otherwise.
So what if Hindi got chosen for national language and not Tamil?
Similar case - when Sinhalese was chosen as national language of Sri Lanka. It created a big chaos. Anyways, we can never know what could have happened...
But one good thing is, it propelled English which benefited in many many ways to the whole of India.
Arpit wrote: "I think people of Punjab had to suffer a lot and still they are most jovial people. #PunjabiRocks"Can't agree more on this. That partition havoc. Bluestar. Punjab was the eye of the storm in both cases.... And yet they rock!
So what is few new people have arrived in your state that do not speak your language?In my opinion, it doesn't creates much trouble. In fact if you show some respect to the local language by atleast trying to learn (and even fail!), it makes them more happy and creates love instead of hatred.
Basically such steps don't give chance to extremists to brainwash common people.
So what if people from other state are getting jobs in your state bcoz they are more hard working?Totally agree on this.
See the way America is ousting non Americans. For pretty much the same reason!
I've finished IAG.And so glad I've read *one* referenced book mentioned in this.
The World Is Flat: A Brief History of the Twenty-first Century
Arpit wrote: "Ppl should learn adjusting and accepting. Otherwise we won't have anything in the end. First we will fight over religion and demand differnt nations on this basis. Then we will request a complete different nation because we speak different language than others in this country speak. Then culture. Then caste. Then resources. Then colour. Then eating choices. Then..."Ha ha ha. Precisely the reason Western journalists and writers keep pouncing on India's democratic failure.
One line from epilogue summarises their confusion.
"An Italian is as much different from a Scottish, as a Punjabi from a Malayali."
The beauty is we have been successfuly striving *with* these differences.
Might not be the case if we try eliminating these differences.
Whats the problem having multiple national languages, food choices, cultures... so many things... Whats the priblem in that?
We have proved these are only supporting unity, instead of breaking it.
Only in cases where people are forced to change *non-willingly*, problem arises!
Gorab wrote: "So what if people from other state are getting jobs in your state bcoz they are more hard working?
Totally agree on this.
See the way America is ousting non Americans. For pretty much the same re..."
I wrote this line keeping the ill-treatment of Biharis/UP people in Maharashtra, bcoz of Shivsena and MNS. Well, it applies on US case too :P
Totally agree on this.
See the way America is ousting non Americans. For pretty much the same re..."
I wrote this line keeping the ill-treatment of Biharis/UP people in Maharashtra, bcoz of Shivsena and MNS. Well, it applies on US case too :P
Gorab wrote: " I feel nothing of importance should be done there. Just let it be... or max, make a public park. "
Public park? Peace for few years, but then some new wannabe-Adwani will claim this piece of earth again, and it will take only hours and they will capture it. Problem again.
The only solution will be to make it such a place that humans can't approach it. Only that will solve the problem....lol.
PS: Do you think Adwani & Co. will be punished?
Public park? Peace for few years, but then some new wannabe-Adwani will claim this piece of earth again, and it will take only hours and they will capture it. Problem again.
The only solution will be to make it such a place that humans can't approach it. Only that will solve the problem....lol.
PS: Do you think Adwani & Co. will be punished?
On chapter 29. Will come here once I finish it.
Hi,Let me know if you are starting a new book on history in future.
PS: Do you think Adwani & Co. will be punished?Not enough timeline to punish him on earth. I don't think any of those will be punished. Even if they do, those will be termed "martyrs" and spurn new chaos!
Hello Phani. Sure thing will ping you for any other history. You have any reads in mind for this?
I don't have anything specific. But I think I would like to start with either Glimpses of world history or Discovery of india by Nehru. But I am fine with any other book if that doesn't need you to know too much to follow.I think Glimpses of world history give enough intro about the world in general to appreciate/understand other history books better.
Great Phani. I'm gonna read as much non-fics this year as I can manage. Your company would be amazing.
Discovery of India is in my tbr.
Glimpses...History is 1100 page long. Gorab and I took more than 3 months to finish IAGandhi, which is just 700 page. Glimpses... would consume the entire second half of 2017 :P
Discovery of India is in my tbr.
Glimpses...History is 1100 page long. Gorab and I took more than 3 months to finish IAGandhi, which is just 700 page. Glimpses... would consume the entire second half of 2017 :P
Yea. Or if you want to change gears after IAG, we can try sapiens. It is around 450p. Quite a few number of people suggested me that. It's about the progress of science and mankind rather than kings and nobles. I am fine with any of them. So let me know what do wanna start.
I would recommend you to watch:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmP4X...
I am not sure if its relevant here, but still i really love this video :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8GA2...
If you free, then I would highly recommend you to watch "Cosmos" Tv series by Carl Sagan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlAHD...). It has 13 episodes, each of around 1 hour.I honestly think that if only more people read about Carl Sagan, the world would be much better place.
Me too for Sapiens.
Will watch the videos soon.
Will watch the videos soon.
Would 15th May or nearby suit you guys? I can start immediately too, but will be pathetic slow for the next 2-3 weeks.
My exams will be over till then, so 15th May is fine.
Deal. Handshakes. Will create a thread before 15th... in IR.
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Books mentioned in this topic
The World Is Flat: A Brief History of the Twenty-first Century (other topics)Salt and Sawdust (other topics)
Cracking India (other topics)
Cracking India (other topics)
India After Gandhi: The History of the World's Largest Democracy (other topics)
Although it's a terrible movie and I won't recommend it."
No. No intent either. Why do you ask?