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Yes, taking on Leslie felt more like keeping an eye on a potentially dangerous person. Better to have her right there, than conducting her own experiments.
Miriam wrote: "I don't think he'd ever considered taking on Leslie as an apprentice had she not shown her ability to do magic (as opposed to Abigail by the way). Nightingale might taunt Peter about his tendency to digress, but he knows full well that seeing the little things and being willing to walk the strange and meandering path is crucial in doing magic."Agree! I also had the feeling that N. was the one doing the experiments... I think by one of the later books, Peter has that same suspicion.
I think once Leslie had magic, they had to do something with her. I think the 'agreement' with the Commissioner might have prevented full apprenticeship, and perhaps L. herself. Remember there are two and a half books where she lives in the Folly, eating with them and investigating and everything. Molly liked L.
Ben did quite well at humanizing her and making her complicated!
Enough so that when she tazers Peter and leaves with the FM, we're horrified and furious.
Carol. wrote: "Okay, I'm loving this discussion, and that there are people around to have it with :) You all are fabulous!Miriam, I really like your thoughts in #46 and would say that reflects the way I current..."
Chorley is a fascist, as is evidenced by his remarks to Peter in Hanging Tree. He despises that fact that Peter is biracial. To me, it pretty much raises some nasty flags that Leslie would throw in her lot with him. But her rigidity in regards to the law, ie, the letter of the law, not the spirit, speaks of someone who would respond to someone like Chorley.
Agreed, Margaret. Definitely worrisome that she would throw her lot in with him. Beside the fact that he's a several times over murderer.
Lata wrote: "Agreed, Margaret. Definitely worrisome that she would throw her lot in with him. Beside the fact that he's a several times over murderer."Yeah. That as well.
Lata wrote: "I love how this author has his characters evolve, thanks to their experiences. "definitely agree. the characters grow quite naturally, their decisions and actions make sense to me (as abhorrent as some of those actions might be).
"Agree! I also had the feeling that N. was the one doing the experiments... I think by one of the later books, Peter has that same suspicion."
i must have missed something, as i was thinking about that "brainbox" scene and just left it literally as N referring to another person. oh well perfect excuse to get to Hanging Tree again.
John wrote: "Lata wrote: "I love how this author has his characters evolve, thanks to their experiences. "definitely agree. the characters grow quite naturally, their decisions and actions make sense to me (a..."
I think many have assumed the brainbox in question was Mellenby because Nightingale has mentioned that Peter reminds him of Mellenby. But nowhere in that scene was it explicitly stated that the brainbox in question was Mellenby.
I'm re-listening to Whispers Underground (shhhh! No comments from the peanut gallery. I have the identical post in June 2017), and again find myself re-visiting the Leslie issue. We all have some wonderful comments here! I'm starting to wonder if she wasn't meeting with Faceless Man even here--- specifically, the scene where they go to follow up on one of the Little Crocodiles and meet Varvara and what's-his-name, and Leslie ends up taking off her mask to 'distract' them.
I thought she was meeting the Faceless Man by the end of Book 2. Peter shows her a were light, but he doesn't explain about formae, and creating the shape in your mind.Someone had to have taught her.
You're right, Margaret! He shows her the hand gestures, but not a lot of detail otherwise.
It didn't make sense to me that she could make a were light. Until the end of Broken Homes. That's when I had an "Oh shit!" moment.
I now have to pull out Moon over Soho and highlight those sections :)
It's nice to have a hobby. :)
Margaret wrote: "I thought she was meeting the Faceless Man by the end of Book 2. Peter shows her a were light, but he doesn't explain about formae, and creating the shape in your mind.Someone had to have taught ..."
Ahhh, excellent point.
Apropos of nothing, I noted that by the graphic novel Detective Stories, Lesley is texting Peter without him having to report it. She's even suggesting what cases he should be telling the interviewing DI about.Detective Stories takes place after the events of the Hanging Tree.
Also we get to see Lesley's face - both pre and post the events of the first book.
Sadly, haven't gotten to that yet. Just so less motivated for graphics, Peter Grant and all.
I plan to finally start reading the comics as part of my reread this year (I’m reading your fave this month, Carole.: Whispers).
Lata wrote: "I plan to finally start reading the comics as part of my reread this year (I’m reading your fave this month, Carole.: Whispers)."Ha! Now I'm struggling with continuing in order or jumping ahead to The Furthest Station.
Margaret, once again, brilliant logic on the Leslie-werelight issue. Of course she needed to be taught. The books have stressed that throughout, from Abigail to Ryan in Whispers, and the old man in another book who caused an issue at the birthday party. So who taught her? Either Punch or FM.
It had to be FM. Punch's magic works differently. That was pointed out to Peter in the first Punch victim's autopsy he attended.
Great deduction is right! Leslie would have had to have been taught to get her head around all parts of Lux (shape, formae, hand gestures).(And now I can't remember how Punch's magic works differently, but I suppose I have to reread book 1 for that.)
I'm not sure it's explained.Abdul (I think) comments that no human magician could make a spell run in the background of someone's mind like software.
It's the phrase "human magician" that captures Peter's attention.
Now I have to go back to his explanation in book 1 :)
Finished "Lies Sleeping". I know we allow spoilers in this thread, but I know most people won't have read it yet. All I will say is we find out Leslie's motivations for defecting to the Faceless Man's side.
Yeah, I know what you mean, but there is this comment from Nightingale, when Peter discusses his vestigia experiments - aka "Toby in the box" - with Walid and they both are totally serious and go of on more crazy ideas. And then Nightingale says something about a former apprentice having done something similar and having used not dogs but rats. And that he will show Peter the notes of this "last brainbox" if he'll focus long enough to master a certain spell. That made me think this "brainbox" was Nightingale himself (he is rather open to new concepts and ideas) and he chose Peter because he sees himself in him.
I don't think he'd ever considered taking on Leslie as an apprentice had she not shown her ability to do magic (as opposed to Abigail by the way). Nightingale might taunt Peter about his tendency to digress, but he knows full well that seeing the little things and being willing to walk the strange and meandering path is crucial in doing magic.