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The Six Wives of Henry VIII.. What Book with that Theme is the best?
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Apr 30, 2015 08:06AM
That would have been an interesting movie to watch John..I guess I missed it..what channel was it on?
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It is an iteresting movie. The acting really suprised me for that time period. It was very good. I checked it out on DVD from the library here. I'm sure it's on "Netflix" or somewhere.
I've been looking for the movie "Elizabeth" but it always seems to be checked out and I don't want to buy it if I don't have to.
Ohhh,from the library:)Forgot about that.If you put your name down for Elizabeth at the library..see if you can find out how many people are ahead of you.Here in Canada,were only allowed to keep a DVD for a week.
I've just had a look on my Netflix, and whilst there's no Elizabeth, there is 'Lady Jane' about Jane Grey, think I will give that a watch seeing as I'm currently laid up with a back injury for the next 5 days!
That's the same here. Some we get for two depending on how many disc there are. "The Tudors" I got for two weeks but watched the whole thing on Saturday. lol What part of Canada? I've visited Cardston, Ft MacLoed, Sparewood and Cranbrook. My ex has family there and my brother in law is from Calgary. Alberta and BC are pretty.
Catherine wrote: "I've just had a look on my Netflix, and whilst there's no Elizabeth, there is 'Lady Jane' about Jane Grey, think I will give that a watch seeing as I'm currently laid up with a back injury for the ..."Oh Catherine!A back injury?Sorry to hear that:(Im going to check our Netflix,but I don't think we have to much in the Tudor stuff to watch.
John wrote: "That's the same here. Some we get for two depending on how many disc there are. "The Tudors" I got for two weeks but watched the whole thing on Saturday. lol What part of Canada? I've visited ..."
We live John in the province of Ontario.
Catherine wrote: "I've just had a look on my Netflix, and whilst there's no Elizabeth, there is 'Lady Jane' about Jane Grey, think I will give that a watch seeing as I'm currently laid up with a back injury for the ..."Sorry to hear about the back, hope it's not too bad and you get back on your feet soon. I've been looking for Jane grey stuff. I may give it a look.
Thanks Marian! It's an old injury flares up on occasion!I had a browse but Tudor/history is a bit thin on the ground in Netflix, but I'll give this a go.
I think Amazon prime is supposed to have a few things on, but I'm reluctant to pay for it again until Vikings finishes and I can watch the whole series :-)
Yea,I looked up on our Netflix here as well..nothing.Its thin here to Catherine..darn it..:)
I would like to ask..did Henry the VIII ever get small pox?I know Elizabeth did..
Marian wrote: "I would like to ask..did Henry the VIII ever get small pox?I know Elizabeth did.."Good question. I don't ever remember seeing anywhere that he did. I'd like to know what may have really been wrong with his leg in todays medical standards. It seems wierd that he had a festering wound all those years.
It sounds like he had a foreign body still stuck which would continue to ulcer up and continuously become reinfected if not removed.. No good just draining pus if not removing the source.I believe it was wood from a lance in a jousting accident but could be wrong.
I've heard type 2 diabetes suggested for Henry VIII, as well as gout, but I can't remember hearing he had smallpox.
Susanna: I know he had gout which is very common in older people his size. Catherine: It very well and probably was a piece of wood left in his leg. There have never been any spacifics on what the injury actually was other than his horse fell on him, but what caused the horse to fall would be the question that may also be the answer for his wound.
ok..I found this online..I guess maybe I was looking in the wrong spot before.Henry never suffered from sweating disease. Reportedly, King Henry had suffered from smallpox and malaria, and at 44 had a leg badly injured in a jousting accident, from which he recovered, but later the area reopened and he suffered severe recurring ulcerations. He could no longer exercise regularly and became obese, his weight going up to more than 320 lbs. Reportedly, he suffered an unquenchable thirst, and had night sweats and open ulcers on both his legs and feet, consistent with a diagnosis of insulin deficiency and diabetes. He was an insomniac and suffered from frequent headaches. As he aged, he showed signs of mental decline, severe depression, a short temper, and personality change. It is rumored that while he was king, he enjoyed many affairs and had contracted syphilis, which could explain the mental issues, paranoia, and leg ulcerations as well. He had a series of strokes affect him, indicative of high blood pressure and/or poor circulation. Experts have speculated that he suffered from an endocrine problem called Cushing’s syndrome as well.
Didn't have much going for him poor guy..
Marian wrote: "ok..I found this online..I guess maybe I was looking in the wrong spot before.Henry never suffered from sweating disease. Reportedly, King Henry had suffered from smallpox and malaria, and at 44..."
Thanks, Marian. This explains a lot of my questions about his health. I know wieght can bring on the diabeties and gout. Syphilis, which I'm sure was rampant then, when not treated can lead to many other problems.
There is a documentary on YouTube called Inside the Body of Henry VIII. Watched this on TV last year. You may find it informative.
But..if he did have syphilis..I mean,even in second stage..you have the rash on the palms of your hands.One would think that was noticeable,in those days.
John wrote: "Watched "Mary of Scots" with Catherine Hepburn(1934) last night. An Interesting perspective on her life. Might have to find a couple books on her in the near future."Mary Queen of Scots is a very interesting personality of the Tudor era! I own Antonia Frasers Book about her but haven't read it yet. But it has very good reviews..
You could try Alison Weirs book about her too.
Mary Queen Of Scots: And The Murder Of Lord Darnley
Mary Queen of Scots
Catherine wrote: "Thanks Marian! It's an old injury flares up on occasion!I had a browse but Tudor/history is a bit thin on the ground in Netflix, but I'll give this a go.
I think Amazon prime is supposed to have..."
I hope you get better soon Catherine! :)
Johanna wrote: "John wrote: "Watched "Mary of Scots" with Catherine Hepburn(1934) last night. An Interesting perspective on her life. Might have to find a couple books on her in the near future."Mary Queen of ..."
I will look at them
Marian wrote: "But..if he did have syphilis..I mean,even in second stage..you have the rash on the palms of your hands.One would think that was noticeable,in those days."As far as i know Henry VIII had no Syphilis..
It was suggested by many historians but they didn't found
any record of him getting treated.
I found this:
"Tudor doctors knew this illness actually very well and called it "the great pox". Tudor cure for the disease was a six week treatment with mercury where the patient was usually confined to bed. Tudor medicine was based very closely on the ideas of the Roman physician Galen who said that the body was made up of four different humours and if these became unbalanced it could cause illness. Therefore, doctors used mercury because it made patients salivate and sweat and so would cleanse patients of the bad humours afflicting their bodies.. If Henry VIII did have the disease then his comprehensive medical records would have mentioned either the obvious symptoms or the extensive treatment. But there is no mention of either. There is no record of Henry’s physicians ever having been supplied with mercury and certainly no record of Henry ever being out of the public eye for the six week period required for treatment."
We can't be sure if he had it but it's unlikely..
I read that there came bits of bones out of his wound sometimes.. Someone suggested that his bone was slowly rotting away.. But since i haven't read it again i'm not sure if this was true. It sounds horrible. His leg was slowly rotting away while he was alive.
The stench must have been terrible too..
He was admired for his beautiful legs and calves and very proud of it too so this must have bothered him even more.
I actually hard to believe how someone who was admired for his prowess at jousting, tilting, hunting and tennis could get so ill and big in later life..
He feared illness very much too as far as i know..
Didn't he fled court at every sign of illness or was it just at one outbreak of the sweating illness?
He was very interested in medicine too..
Well but he had the worst diet that could exist so that's
probably no wonder..
Did you see the recipe for Tudor mincemeat pies?
Take to 4 pound of the flesh of a legg
of veale, or neats tongues, 4 pound
of beefe suet, 2 pound of raysons
stoned & shread, 3 pound of currans,
halfe a pound or more of sugar,
3 quarters of an ounce of cloves,
mace, nutmegg, & cinnamon,
beaten, halfe a dosin apples shread,
some rosewater, a quarter of a pinte
o[f] muskadine or sack, some candied
orringe, leamon & citron pill minced.
shread your meat & suet very fine,
& mingle all togethe[r]. for plaine
mincd pies, leave out the fruit & put
in blanchd almond minced small.
That's rich o.O
thanks for those titles of. Mary QoS, I fancy finding out more on her too..
Did anyone see the movie Anne of a thousand days?
Catherine wrote: "thanks for those titles of. Mary QoS, I fancy finding out more on her too.."Mary has such an interesting and eventful life.. very tragic too. There are some other books about her but these two are the best from the reviews.
We could read a book about her together ..?
Catherine wrote: "Wow... that's some recipie!"Yes, right? :D The amount of meat alone but i can't think
how it must have tasted mixed with the other stuff.
Johanna... let's definitely do that! I will finish my other book this weekend easily, then let's pick a Mary WoW book to read? any other of you guys feel free to join!
Johanna wrote: "Did anyone see the movie Anne of a thousand days?"We have that movie Johanna:)
I was sleepy when I was commenting last night.. It should read Mary QoS not WoW haha!!Also, surely if Henry had syphillis then some of his wives/mistresses would have displayed similar symptoms as its my understanding that it's pretty infectious?
Diabetes type 2 would explain much, increased likelihood of stroke.. Wounds that don't heal/ulcerations etc. it's probably likely that he did indeed have that!
Johanna wrote: "Did anyone see the movie Anne of a thousand days?"I have heard of it and would I would like to see it. Maybe I'll search for it, too.
Johanna wrote: "I actually hard to believe how someone who was admired for his prowess at jousting, tilting, hunting and tennis could get so ill and big in later life..
He feared illness very much too as far as i..."
This sounds very fattening and quite unhealthy. I may have to try this sometime although it looks like an expensive recipe.
Susanna - Censored by GoodReads wrote: "There are probably more books with exactly that title, but I just haven't seen them."Thanks so much, Susanna!
John wrote: "i>Skye wrote: "Ok, there's a few books that are being discussed, then."Here are the 2 books mentioned. We've been mostly discussing the Wives They are both by Alison Weir
[book:The Children of ..."
John, thanks!
Marian wrote: "I liked both of her series,but really liked her Cousins War series the best.Starting off with The White Queen and 2 pages in..I was hooked,and read all of them."Marian wrote: "and about his wives either probably.I have Henry the VIII book by Margaret George and its good:)"
I think I will follow your lead, my book clone and friend.
I've seen Anne of a Thousand Days, but years ago. I remember it was good.
I will have to watch it again..it had Richard Burton.
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The Life and Death of Anne Boleyn (other topics)The Children of Henry VIII (other topics)
Mary Queen of Scots (other topics)
Mary, Queen of Scots and the Murder of Lord Darnley (other topics)
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