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https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3... is missing its cover.Amazon book page: https://www.amazon.com/Test-Drive-Cro...
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3... is missing it's cover and the format should be MP3 Audio.Amazon book page: https://www.amazon.com/Test-Drive-Cro...
and last but not least the two ebook editions that on the surface appear to be true duplicates but in reality are not. There are actually 3 epub format editions each with different identifiers or page counts. I'm going to pretend the iBooks edition doesn't exist for this discussion since no edition has been created for it here yet.There is no publisher page for this book since it was self pubbed through draft2digital and then distributed through their partner channels. The author's only website that lists the books just links to the bookseller pages. If you can't update the record with the actual ISBN because of the policy about non-Amazon sources I will try to get the author to do it herself.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3... is the true epub edition but is missing its ISBN info:
ISBN 10: 1533744580
ISBN 13: 9781533744586
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3...
should be Nook format not ebook with B&N ISBN of: 2940153253190 and have a better cover image.
Nook book page: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/test-...
#3 done (cover added, language added, format changed)
#1-3 Done.Leaving #4 for someone with better grasp of ebooks.
thank you. will check back tomorrow on the status of the ebook editions.
I don't know where you got your info from, but we cannot use info from booksellers other than Amazon/AbeBooks/Book Depository, and that includes Nook editions from Barnes & Noble (because they are a bookseller that also publishes books, not the other way around).
Tal wrote: "https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3... is the true epub edition but is missing its ISBN info"ePub editions don't have fixed page numbers, I believe? Do you know where the page count of 199 comes from? It should probably be deleted.
lethe wrote: "I don't know where you got your info from, but we cannot use info from booksellers other than Amazon/AbeBooks/Book Depository, and that includes Nook editions from Barnes & Noble (because they are ..."I thought you understood that B&N id's are used in the ISBN13 field here. When a Nook book is self pubbed where else do you get the B&N ID from if not the Nook page? Yes it's a bookseller but it is also the publisher in that case. The former does not negate the latter. It certainly isn't available on Amazon, Abebooks or Book Depository. How is it possible for you to catalog any Nook books if you can't use the B&N id from B&N?
lethe wrote: "Tal wrote: "https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3... is the true epub edition but is missing its ISBN info"ePub editions don't have fixed page numbers, I believe? Do you know where the page count..."
epubs can be reflowable or fixed layout. reflowable doesn't have page numbers in the file but fixed layout does. which one an epub is depends on who/which publishing platform created the epub file. That's why the same ebook purchased in epub format from Smashwords, Kobo, Apple & B&N can all have different page counts and still be valid. Which is why it's crucial to distinguish between them with whatever differentiating characteristics they might have. Like one being a Nook book without a page count and one being an epub with one. The 199 page count came from a librarian update back in July that corresponds to the actual pages listed in one of the available epub versions of the book. That's how I knew that edition (the one with 199 pages) was supposed to represent the "ebook" format and the other "ebook" should be Nook instead since it does not contain page numbers.
Tal wrote: "When a Nook book is self pubbed where else do you get the B&N ID from if not the Nook page? (...) How is it possible for you to catalog any Nook books if you can't use the B&N id from B&N?"Either from the B&N import bot, from readers who have the Nook edition, or from authors who supply the information here. We cannot use the info from Barnes & Noble directly.
See f.e. msg #6 here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Also, B&N tops the list of sites that are not acceptable to use: https://www.goodreads.com/help/show/2...
Tal wrote: "That's why the same ebook purchased in epub format from Smashwords, Kobo, Apple & B&N can all have different page counts and still be valid. Which is why it's crucial to distinguish between them with whatever differentiating characteristics they might have."I know that we can only use page counts that come directly from the publisher, because page counts may differ according to device. Therefore we cannot add page counts if the publisher does not list them (I think the only exception is pdf files).
lethe wrote: "I know that we can only use page counts that come directly from the publisher, because page counts may differ according to device. Therefore we cannot add page counts if the publisher does not list them (I think the only exception is pdf files)."Based on this post: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/... I've added many many page counts for ebooks without publisher listed page counts and that was supposed to be acceptable. Despite some of the common misconceptions about ebooks (no they are not all the same, yes epubs (not just pdf's) can be fixed layout with actual page numbers and are definitely not all reflowable) they are as varied and unique in their differences (especially as self publishing platforms proliferate) as print books with their different bindings and resulting page counts. It's going to be 2017 soon and I find it shocking how a book cataloging site still treats ebooks as the red headed step child not deserving of the same treatment as print.
Reading challenges comprise most of the activity in one of my groups. Page counts are critical to these challenges and almost all books being read in them are ebooks.
Getting back on topic, if the page count comes from the horses mouth, in this case the author since it's self published, is that acceptable?
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It's also in the Manual. https://www.goodreads.com/help/show/2...
I keep forgetting about the estimated page count. But the Manual says in bold "Be sure to leave a librarian note that this is an estimate and that the page number should be changed if the publisher releases a specific page count", and https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3... (the first link in msg #4) doesn't have any note. The format and page count were added months later to the initial record.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3... is missing its cover and has the wrong page count. 236 instead of 238
Amazon book page: https://www.amazon.com/Test-Drive-Cro...