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I wouldn't say Thirteen Days is biased, but it's not totally objective either. It's a first-hand account that is very slim and there have been many books published since then that do a more thorough job of looking at the Cuban Missile Crisis in terms of its role within the Cold War.
Inside the Kennedy Tapes by Ernest May and Phillip Zelikow is the book on which the movie Thirteen Days is based. It's very well respected. And I haven't read it, but One Hell of a Gamble by Aleksandr Fursenko is supposed to be pretty good. I'd also recommend One Minute to Midnight by Michael Stern and anything by Sheldon Stern who has written two books on the crisis and has a third being published later this year.







For the Bay of Pigs, try:




And many thanks to the kind person who moved my post to the correct forum.


Glad to help, happy reading :-)

The Cuban Missile Crisis in American Memory: Myths versus Reality

Synopsis
This book exposes the misconceptions, half-truths, and outright lies that have shaped the still dominant but largely mythical version of what happened in the White House during those harrowing two weeks of secret Cuban missile crisis deliberations. A half-century after the event it is surely time to demonstrate, once and for all, that RFK's Thirteen Days and the personal memoirs of other ExComm members cannot be taken seriously as historically accurate accounts of the ExComm meetings.

Sorry I asked this question when welcoming someone in the introduction thread so Jill sent me here. Thanks Jill for this link! :)
Also love Natural History books non-fiction as well so any good books in that genre would be appreciated.

Baden Powell: The Two Lives Of A Hero

Synopsis
For anyone who has ever loved Scouting, this book by William “Green Bar Bill” Hillcourt is truly an inspiring read. It tells Lord Baden-Powell’s story in two poignant parts: first, his illustrious military career in which he rose to the rank of Lieutenant-General in the British army; then, his post-war vision that became the Boy Scout program. Read about his remarkable plan to engage boys in purposeful fun and draw them away from the rough streets of turn-of-the-century England.

Baden Powell: The Two Lives Of A Hero
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Thank you so much Mark. This is exactly what I was looking for. It looks very good too. I have added it to my soon to be read list. :)






Hi Jennifer . . I have vol. 1 of Cook's book as well . . I also bought vol. 2 by her as well. I also own NO ORDINARY TIME


which is also in my TBR stack. I also have an interest in them as well . . . just haven't gotten time to read the books I already have. :-)






Hi Rob,
You might want to check out
The Information: A History, a Theory, a Flood



L.E. wrote...
I am trying to find information/books on the Welsh town of Carmarthen, particularly in relation to the police force at around or before the victorian era.
Information I have gathered so far was the police force was called the Carmarthen Shilling and the police station (previously a prison) was built in Carmarthen castle (one of the Architects being John Nash).
Any books/essays or pieces of information that you have or can point me to relating to Carmarthen in the georgian/victorian era would be really useful for my research.
Please either post here or you can send info directly to my email lefitzpatrick@hotmail.co.uk
Also any crime and punishment books relating to Wales in the georgian/victorian era would be great as well.

Michelle wrote....
I hope this is the correct area for this if not let me know and I will remove it. I am currently in a history class with a requirement of each student finding a Non-Fiction historical book. This book should be at least 150 pages and either historian or self written. The probably I have is I dont know where to start or look. And the book must take place during Pre-colonial America to 1877. Any one have any suggestions? Thank you for helping or even just reading.

I like books about social history. Two books I liked were The Puritan Family: Religion and Domestic Relations in Seventeenth-Century New England by Edmund Morgan (186 pages) and Entertaining Satan: Witchcraft and the Culture of Early New England (400 pages). I also was fascinated by John Demos's The Unredeemed Captive: A Family Story from Early America (252 pages). This is the true story of a Puritan girl who was kidnapped by Indians and refused to leave them once her own family finally found her.
Good luck!




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Rob, here is a start:








Is there a time-period you are interested in? This might help us with our suggestions.

Journal articles:
Richard W. Ireland, "Confinement with Hard Labour: Motherhood and Penal Practice in a Victorian Practice in a Victorian Gaol," Welsh History Review, Dec1997, Vol. 18 Issue 4, p621-638.
Richard W. Ireland, "Eugene Buckley and the Diagnosis of Insanity in the Early Victorian Prison," Llafur: Journal of Welsh Labour History, 1993, Vol. 6 Issue 2, p 5-17.



or this one:



or this one:

Remember Peter to still cite any authors or books even when referencing previous posts.
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I think Renaissance that you should start with a book or two on World War I.
I would start with The Guns of August by Barbara Tuchman. That is a book which discusses the preliminary events leading to that war - Best to start at the beginning - and it is very readable.
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Barbara W. Tuchman
Synopsis
Historian and Pulitzer Prize-winning author Barbara Tuchman has brought to life again the people and events that led up to World War I. With attention to fascinating detail, and an intense knowledge of her subject and its characters, Ms. Tuchman reveals, for the first time, just how the war started, why, and why it could have been stopped but wasn't. A classic historical survey of a time and a people we all need to know more about, THE GUNS OF AUGUST will not be forgotten
I would start with The Guns of August by Barbara Tuchman. That is a book which discusses the preliminary events leading to that war - Best to start at the beginning - and it is very readable.


Synopsis
Historian and Pulitzer Prize-winning author Barbara Tuchman has brought to life again the people and events that led up to World War I. With attention to fascinating detail, and an intense knowledge of her subject and its characters, Ms. Tuchman reveals, for the first time, just how the war started, why, and why it could have been stopped but wasn't. A classic historical survey of a time and a people we all need to know more about, THE GUNS OF AUGUST will not be forgotten
Renaissance, we also have folders "with many threads" dedicated to World War I and World War II with hundreds of books listed with their reviews.
Here is the link to the folder on World War I:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/group_...
Here is the link to the folder on World War II:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/group_...
Here is the link to the folder on World War I:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/group_...
Here is the link to the folder on World War II:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/group_...

The Lions of July
The Lions of July: Prelude to War, 1914 by William Jannen (no photos available)
Synopsis
The Lions of July is a sweeping study of the series of events that begins with the assassination of Austrian Archduke Ferdinand in the Bosnian capital Sarajevo on June 28, 1914, and culminates in the slaughter of the First World War. Europe's leaders were trapped by their shared history: vivid memories of past aggressions, some going back centuries. From inside war rooms, secret council chambers and throne rooms around Europe, historian William Jannen vividly describes how a traditional, leisurely, and largely aristocratic diplomacy broke down as monarchs, ministers, and diplomats, overwhelmed by fear and tension and the sheer pace of events, gradually lost control and stumbled into war. The failure of the great men of Europe to preserve peace resulted in the death of empires, along with millions of their subjects, bringing the old world order crashing down and sending echoes through time that still reverberate today. This inspired, masterful work brings the tragic summer of 1914 to life. Herein, author Jannen demonstrates that no single action or decision ever stands by itself.

Martin Gilbert and John Keegan both offer decent general accounts of World War One and Two:






Is there a time-period you are interested in? This might help u..."
I find that Im more drawn to Native American topics or books about the strong woman during this time period. I also like books about strong presidents.



You could try this series of books. I am yet to read them myself but they have received some great reader reviews:










Objective is impossible in history in general, and you've chosen a most volatile area. I'd say you'd have to read a variety of books by a variety of sources - Israeli, Palestinian, other Arab, perhaps British, etc. and then make up your own mind.

Hi Peter. Completely understood, and that's why I qualified my request with "as objective as possible." I'd love to know if you have any specific recommendations in mind! Thanks in advance.

Kirstie I tend to agree with Peter. I'll check around, but this is a tough one.

Hi Mark. Yes, I understand. I'd really welcome any recommendations for well written accounts from a variety of sources, which I could read and use to formulate my own opinions. Thanks!


I read the first edition a long time ago."
Great! Thanks so much, Peter. I'm putting it on my list!

I would recommend you try some other ones on how they got this way. I recommend two.
The Balfour Declaration: The Origins of the Arab-Israeli Conflict Jonathan Schneer
and
Empires of the Sand: The Struggle for Mastery in the Middle East, 1789-1923 Efraim Karsh
These ones were some of my favorites. I hope they work for you.
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This is probably totally the wrong place to post this - if so, my apologies - but I couldn't see an obvious forum.
I am looking for an objective book on the Cuban missile crisis / Bay of Pigs. I saw the Kennedy book 'Thirteen Days: A Memoir of the Cuban Missile Crisis' but thought this might be a tad biased. Does anyone have any suggestions?