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That is the same problem i had with the book.it seems that only the idea was rowling 's but it was expanded by someone else.i donot hate it but i cant really get over the plot inconsistancies.it would have been so good if all the things were explained like the other hp books.the theme seems so right and emotions are in the right place,not to mention a delightful scorpius,but..............I love love love harry potter and i wish rowling would do something about it...like a two part book with the same story that explains everything like the other books(plzz my dreams come true plzzzzz)!!!i just cant handle the fact that the series that i am so proud of would get such criticisms! I despise it when people say a word against the series but now when they are criticising it so vehemently i cant even fight them!! This is literally killing me! I hope u understand.
Aagh!!!! Plzzzz rowling do something!!!!!!!!!
To be honest, I don't understand at all how JK could approve of this. How she could call it canon, and the 8th story. There was so many inaccuracies, it's ridiculous.
Srijita wrote: "That is the same problem i had with the book.it seems that only the idea was rowling 's but it was expanded by someone else.i donot hate it but i cant really get over the plot inconsistancies.it wo..."YES, YES, YES!! And I do like the characters and the writing, but how could there be such inconsistencies?? I totally agree with you about a second book with the same story, except for changed so that there are no holes, because when you make a rule you have to stick with it. I used to challenge my brother to find plot holes, and then if ever he got one I would explain how it actually made sense. (It's been ages since he read them and so doesn't remember some of the finer points.) I debated with anyone who critisized the least detail, because it was all perfect, if only you read carefully, attentively, and didn't look for problems without looking for their solutions. The series I love has been blemished, and it's truly aweful! I'm even starting to worry that Fantastic Beasts is going to have Newt apparating into Hogwarts or something, because I don't trust Rowling's consistence.
Thank you, Srijita, for understanding and ranting with me.
Lillian wrote: "Srijita wrote: "That is the same problem i had with the book.it seems that only the idea was rowling 's but it was expanded by someone else.i donot hate it but i cant really get over the plot incon..."Youre very welcome! I am so happy that i am not the only one worried about it
Oh, and you know another thing I was just thinking about? Moaning Myrtle. Moaning Myrtle was not moaning, she was being cheerfully helpful. You would think that, after 77 years (I did do the math) of being grumpy she wouldn't just change without reason.
I honestly wish she'd left the series alone, I love Harry Potter, but The Cursed Child is such a different atmosphere. Same in a lot of ways, still feels different
They just wanted to say it was the 8th Harry Potter. I was extremely disappointed, have also noticed the inconsistencies, and think that the plot twists were ridiculous.The time-travel thing is pretty weird. In the third one, it seems safe to say that you can't invent alternated universes. Whatever you "changed" just turns out to have been the past all along. So what I think is that the creation of the insane alternate universes may have been in the past of the series? I know that in reality it does not make sense because it was written with the plot holes, but if it did in some way make sense, I'd feel better.
Ruby wrote: "The time-travel thing is pretty weird. In the third one, it seems safe to say that you can't invent alternated universes. Whatever you "changed" just turns out to have been the past all along."I like to think (and this is just a theory; I could very well be grasping at straws here because of my intense loyalty to the series) that the creation of these alternate universes is because the time-turner used is just a prototype. Considering that it the PoA, Hermione's time-turner could be used for multiple hours in one go. But since the prototype could only be used for a duration of a mere five minutes, I feel like it's safe to say that the short length of time might not have been the only malfunction/inconvenience. Who's to say that this prototype wasn't designed with that in mind, and instead of tampering with a single linear strand of time, it creates multiple strands that can be changed at will?
Something else that supports this theory is that the only time that our beloved band of characters uses an actual time-turner, and not the prototype, nothing is actually changed. Voldemort still kills James and Lily, and his curse still rebounds, and everything happens like it did before.
All the other inconsistencies felt less important that this one, because the whole time-turner ordeal was basically the entire premise of this new plot. I believe that at some point, JK Rowling would have sat down and thought this entire thing through, made sure there were no holes that couldn't be explained. This is a series that she put her heart and soul into, and I don't think she would have made a boo-boo this large without having a reason. I as well would very much like an explanation for this (and not just a wild theory I made up an hour after reading the novel, haha), and while I don't think Rowling would rewrite a completed play into novel, we could still hope for something on Pottermore that might satisfy our discomfort.
Despite the holes in the story, I still feel a lot better about this than I did after reading the epilogue in the Deathly Hallows. This gave me more closure that the nineteen years later bit ever did, and I feel like I can finally put this series to rest (albeit reluctantly) with a greater sense of completeness.
I wish she'd made another story set in the universe, maybe another period of time separate from Harry. It felt more fan-fiction-y than story.
Dani wrote: "Ruby wrote: "The time-travel thing is pretty weird. In the third one, it seems safe to say that you can't invent alternated universes. Whatever you "changed" just turns out to have been the past al..."I kind of like that. Of course, you would think that magical laws of nature would stay the same regardless of defects in products, but it's the best thing I've heard so far. As far as their not changing anything when they had the real Time Turner, they didn't try to, did they?
On another note, though, and in my opinion a very pressing problem, how did Albus and Scorpius get Harry's baby blanket? They just sort of had it, and then it was gone.
Perhaps they stole it,but then stealing a blanket from a baby wont be difficult...what do u think?
The thing is that I haven't seen mentioned yet is this:In the third one, Hermione did indeed use the time turner to go to her classes, and Harry and Hermione did go back to save Sirius. But at no point did they ever use the time turner to come back from the past back into the future. Originally, could the time turner have ever been used that way?
Here, they're timeturning back years and years, so of course they can't just wait it out.
My point is that the time turner was never used like the Delorian from BttF. They sort of changed how it's used.
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Srijita wrote: "Perhaps they stole it,but then stealing a blanket from a baby wont be difficult...what do u think?"Yeah, but stealing a blanket from this baby is either hard because A) his very attentive mother and/or father are near by and watching or B) he's inside his house, which has a fidelis charm on it. Come to think of it, Albus and Scorpius shouldn't have been able to see the house at all.
Ruby wrote: "The thing is that I haven't seen mentioned yet is this:In the third one, Hermione did indeed use the time turner to go to her classes, and Harry and Hermione did go back to save Sirius. But at no..."
Yes, they could have gone forward in time, if they needed to. They could even have gone into the far off future if they had wanted.
I noticed that Cedric problem, too, but it just goes along with the big hole, doesn't it? That, according to past laws of time travel, whatever you change has always been that way, except for in Cursed Child. It's almost painful.
Kristian wrote: "I wish she'd made another story set in the universe, maybe another period of time separate from Harry. It felt more fan-fiction-y than story."Agreed.
It's canon, but I'm going to ignore it whenever I reread the series because she was probably (99.99999% sure) not planning to do this stuff when she wrote the series.
Ruby wrote: "It's canon, but I'm going to ignore it whenever I reread the series because she was probably (99.99999% sure) not planning to do this stuff when she wrote the series."I, too, am basically pretending it's fan-fiction, or even that it didn't come at all. I'll admit that I did like reading bits of it, but the errors undermined the enjoyment.
Well ,under the fidelius charm the place is only visible to the secretkeeper,or the people who know about it(via the secret keeper or the person in whom the secretkeeper confides).peter pettigrew was the secretkeeper who betrayed the potters and dumbledore knew about the place too.later harry and others came to know about it via dumbledore and the next gen(albus and scorpius)too knew about it.maybe thats the reason albus was able to see it because he already knew its secret and under the fidelius charm the house is invisible only to those who know nothing about it..I dont know if my theory is correct or not but i would love to have your opinion on it.
Well, not quite. ONLY the secret keeper can tell others about the place's whereabouts, until they die. After they die, the power to tell goes to all the people that they have told. But no one who those boys knew had been told about the house by Peter Pettigrew, and no body ever confided in them, because no body could. There was no one alive who knew.
Lillian wrote: "Well, not quite. ONLY the secret keeper can tell others about the place's whereabouts, until they die. After they die, the power to tell goes to all the people that they have told. But no one who t..."Ohh! Then they shouldnot have been able to see the place....hmm
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Srijita wrote: "Lillian wrote: "Well, not quite. ONLY the secret keeper can tell others about the place's whereabouts, until they die. After they die, the power to tell goes to all the people that they have told. ..."Yeah. I really hate finding new plot holes. :( I just read a biography of J.K. Rowling that came out in 2004, and in it she said that she would NOT resort to writing a "Harry's mid-life crisis" book once she finished with the original seven.
Yeah i read it too somewhere else...it wasnot her preplanned idea like the other books...so cursedchild has so many plot holes...i think.
Can someone explain to me why Snape was alive in the alternative reality? Voldemort killed him to get full control over the wand. So why is he alive in the alternative reality? The only difference was that Neville did not kill Nagini, so Voldemort killed Harry. But Voldemort stil wanted full control over the wand, right?
Joni3 wrote: "Can someone explain to me why Snape was alive in the alternative reality? Voldemort killed him to get full control over the wand. So why is he alive in the alternative reality? The only difference ..."Well, yes. The best I can think of is that there was something else that maybe we didn't know about, that had some rediculous domino effect. Perhaps, when Cedric became a Death Eater, he convinced someone to steal the Elder Wand, and then Voldemort killed them to get it. This is just yet another plot hole. :(
Ruby wrote: "The thing is that I haven't seen mentioned yet is this:In the third one, Hermione did indeed use the time turner to go to her classes, and Harry and Hermione did go back to save Sirius. But at no..."
The wand thing depends in part on the cores and wand woods. See JK's thoughts on Pottermore
Lex wrote: "I honestly wish she'd left the series alone, I love Harry Potter, but The Cursed Child is such a different atmosphere. Same in a lot of ways, still feels different"I agree 100%. I enjoyed the book, but it just felt a little...off. I didn't really connect with the characters and agree with what some others have said about it being like fan fiction.
Charlotte wrote: "Yeah it was definitely funny however it didn't feel that it flowed as well as Jk's writing and many of the ships in the books are ones fans appreciate. its quite predictable possibly its the point ..."How could Cedric ever become a Death Eater!! Even in bloody Death he didn't blame Harry he just wanted his Dad to have his body!!!
My problems with this book are:1 - Knew Delphi was bad since we have never heard anything about more Diggory family, Amos was very out of character, and she freaked when she didn't go back in time the first time. At least this is plot consistent but was way to obvious for me when this is a J.K Rowling book.
2- the law of Time were ignored.
3 - When everyone went back to Godric's hallow what did they do with James, Lily, Hugo, and Rose? Didn't even bother explaining to them where Albus was. I know Hogwarts is a big place but you would notice if your brother or cousin got in serous trouble and then vanished and your parents were running around the school looking for them and had left your younger siblings and cousin at home.
4- Why would Voldemort have a kid? Why would he ever think it necessay or want one? Why? He was so confident he was going to win. He aslo was barely human anymore. He didn't even have a nose or grow hair. How could he have a child? Magic is not the answer because having a child severely weakened Astoria so it is not like that is a reasonable answer.
5 - Ron was barley a character
6 - Who even created rumor about Voldemort child? If she was so well hidden why the rumors. Plus it seems like Delphi's existence would be easier explained as Bellatrix's daughter because she did have a husband so...
7- Why were Scorpius and Albus in Slytherin? Scorpius seems like a Ravenclaw or even a Gryffindore to me. He is whip smart and is willing to die to fix the timeline. Albus's only attribute was moody which was partially caused by his house placement. I do not see any traits in them that make there placement into the house for the self serving and determined to make sense.
8- I don't believe or like the weak explanation we got for Harry's snake speaking to be back. It died same as the Horcurx and no one will persuade me otherwise.
9 - Cerdric wold never become a Death Eater. He was Hufflepuff a friend and kind. He did not even feel resentful when he was dead and his spirit was telling harry to take his body back.
10- The Blanket thing
11- the house under protection and Albus being able to see it problem.
12= How would have Harry done in the second task if Cedric wouldn't have found out the riddle to the egg? I do suppose that Mad Eye/Crouch Jr. would have thought of another way but it bothers me this wasn't even addressed since Albus and
Scorpius know so much about the past. Also Why do they know so much they know ever detail like they read the books just like us?
Jayden, I agree with you 100 percent. I think these questions can be answered with some technical stuff, but in reality, they're perfect when rhetorical.
Jayden wrote: "My problems with this book are:1 - Knew Delphi was bad since we have never heard anything about more Diggory family, Amos was very out of character, and she freaked when she didn't go back in tim..."
I know, soo many problems. How could she?
This has nothing to do with Harry Potter, but since there are so many active people here, does anyone have history book suggestions? Preferably British, Greek, or Roman, but tell me about whatever you enjoy. Thanks!
I liked the book, but there was just so much going on.....I agree with what everyone here has said, but just wanted to add a quick couple of questions:
1) Was anyone else slightly confused by how OFTEN they ended up in Professor McGonagall's office (let alone that they were actually there)? Point me in the right direction if I'm wrong, but I don't remember parents having that much freedom to just come and go like that.
2) Did anyone else find Snape and Dumbledore to be way more....I guess "emotional" would be the word? Like the calm and collected Dumbledore and the heavily guarded Snape masks were just thrown to the wind and we have these new super open hearted characters? It wasn't horrible, it was just...surprising.
3) I've never seen this mentioned yet, but in the battle in the church when Delphi threatened to kill Albus, was anyone else waiting for Ginny to run up as say, "Not my son you b****!" like her mother and put that whole situation to an end? (In hindsight, that would have been kinda inappropriate since they were in a church, but in any other setting that would have been perfect!)
Lynnie wrote: "I liked the book, but there was just so much going on.....I agree with what everyone here has said, but just wanted to add a quick couple of questions:
1) Was anyone else slightly confused by ho..."
Yes, yes, and YES!
Draco attempts to hoise Harry in the air (Act 2, Scene 13). But when he says the incantation (levicorpus), we have a problem. He SAID it. You might remember from Halfblood Prince, levicorpus is a nonverbal spell. It only works if you say it in your head. How do you explain Draco's not knowing that? He really should have, if he knew of the spell to cast it.
If it weren't for this big inconsistency with the time-turners, and many smaller ones, I would love this book. But, I'm sorry, it's wrong. I've always been proud of the Harry Potter books. You can't find a plot whole anywhere, and everything is firm and consistent. Not so with Cursed Child. Please reply, because I'd love to talk to someone about it.