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Chuzzlewit, Chapters 04 - 05
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But I choose to take Dickens's praise as truth, not falsity. I take Tom Pinch for my witness. Pinch is all praise for Pecksniff, calls him one of the best fellows in the world, and surely, having lived in close contact with Pecksniff for many years, Pinch's observation and opinion is more to be valued than that of Dickens, who is, after all, only a reporter.
Dickens has offers John Westlock as a witness on his side, to claim that he was taught nothing during his years with Pecksniff, but it's obvious that he was a ne'er-do-well, since no student who applied himself seriously to his lessons could make such a statement. Westlock was probably more interested in ogling the Misses Pecksniff than in buckling down to his work. And the weakness of his character is clearly shown in his attempts to corrupt Pinch's good opinion of his employer. No decent or respectable man ever does such a thing. So we can clearly dismiss Westlock's opinion, and can admire how Pecksniff could forgive even such a creature as that.
All in all, Pecksniff is clearly seen to be moral, noble, intelligent, hard-working, and very much entitled to the love and respect of his daughters and his assistant. Dickens's view of him is simply wrong.

Increasingly relatives of the ailing man descend as vultures on the Dragon: the Spottletoes (Mr Spottletoe whose hair in falling off his head had 'fastened itself irrevocably to his face.'), the imminent arrival of Anthony Chuzzlewit and his son Jonas, the two Miss Pecksniffs of whom Mercy's innocence conjurs up robin-redbreasts and the children in the wood (reminiscent of a sweet singing angel straight out of a Disney movie) and others.
They adjourn to Pecksniff's best parlour and the jolly family arguments begin in earnest. Pecksniff becomes fair game, poor soul, and the strong minded widow of M.C.'s brother with her three spinster daughters is most outrageously set upon as being a usurper, having only entered the sacred fold by marriage.
I love the interchange that ensues when Pecksniff confesses his unease at the young girl accompanying M.C. in his boudoir. Pecksniff struggles for the word to describe her effect on M.C. and is proffered the word 'swans' and 'oysters', to which he admits 'by no means unlike oysters; ... Wait! Sirens. Dear me! sirens, of course." So the happy party continues until word of M. C.'s departure reaches them. Pecksniff becomes the scapegoat, one and all determining that he knew all along.

practise his philosophy of life.
Pinch's next travelling companion is one Martin Chuzzlewit whose grandfather is a cousin of old Martin who has taken flight. Pinch and the young man become fast friends to the extent that Tom Pinch divulges his experience of the young girl coming to listen to his organ playing in the church. (I have indeed my suspicions as to who she is. She is not, I would wager, one of the three spinster daughters of the strong minded woman.)
Young Martin is to be Pecksniff's pupil in architecture and not Mark whom I stupidly chose for that position earlier! Martin's arrival did not disappoint and created quite a stir among the Miss Pecksniffs.
I'm looking forward to next month's instalment!

I also have my suspicions about the idebtity of the attractive young woman with a love of the organ (so to speak), and, like Hilary, do not have those three spinster daughters in mind. Nor the Misses Pecksniff either for that matter.
Mark's attitude must be a satire on one of the many religious orthodoxies of the time. Cheerfulness in Adversity was, no doubt, a Virtue To Be Admired and Striven For. Poor Mark, whose mettle is not tested, I daresay he'll even make a jolly gravedigger.

The family conference abounds in examples of Dickens' incredible talent for quick, comical portraiture. The gathering reminded me of some of my own family gatherings that were quickly broken up by religious or political differences, rather than money (only because there is no money to be had).
Chapter 5 is the most delightful one so far for me. A day spent in the company of the unassuming Tom Pinch, so poignant in its quiet tenderness. The humorous encounter with Mark has been noted, but I also enjoyed his leisurely window shopping through town, especially outside the children's bookshop with its copies of Robinson Crusoe and Arabian Nights on display...
"Which matchless wonders, coming fast on Mr Pinch's mind, did so rub up and chafe that wonderful lamp within him, that when he turned his face towards the busy street, a crowd of phantoms waited on his pleasure, and he lived again, with new delight, the happy days before the Pecksniff era."

Nice post. I agree with you about the pleasure of a day spent with Tom Pinch, and love the quotation you included.

Yes, the description of the bookshop is definitely able to vibrate one or even two strings in my own heart. I think I have read somewhere that Dickens himself was an avid reader of "The Arabian Nights", which he refers to here.
As to the nature of Pecksniff's villainy, it is said by the narrator, and later stated by John Westlock, that Pecksniff lures young would-be architects into his house, pinching their money from them and then not teaching them anything. At least, he is guilty of that. Apart from that he seems to be very interested in keeping the other family members away from old Martin Chuzzlewit, and to win the old man's favour. Furthermore, it is Pecksniff's sanctimonious behaviour that should make us be careful of him.
As to Pinch being naive, foolish and gullible or not ... what makes you think that he is not rather inclined to assume that his fellow-men are all, all honourable men instead of regarding them with more distrust. I could be veeeeeeeeeeeeery cynical now and say that the fact that he seems to be so popular with everyone in the village might be seen as strong evidence of his being a boob without perfection - but, of course, I will never say such a nasty thing.

Whatever happened to innocent until proved guilty? The narrator is clearly biased, and John Westlock just frittered away his years there that isn't Pecksniff's fault -- you can lead a man to education, but you cannot make him learn.
Tom Pinch wouldn't stay with a man who was as you accuse Pecksniff. And Mrs. Lupin would not rely on Pecksniff to aid her if he were a villain. In suggesting that these two honorable people would think so highly of a terrible person, you slander them and their good names.


Furthermore, Lupin and Pinch's unshaken belief in Pecksniff is clear evidence of how skilful the calculating and scheming Pecksniff is at deceiving others. Only a perfect hypocrite could deceive somebody who - as Everyman and others said - is not a fool at all. So especially Tom's good opinion of Pecksniff shows what an inveterate impostor Pecksniff is!

The strong-minded woman is surely quite a character, but especially in her interaction with George Chuzzlewit she becomes a most memorable one. Consider this little gem:
"'If Mr George Chuzzlewit has anything to say to ME,' interposed the strong-minded woman, sternly, 'I beg him to speak out like a man; and not to look at me and my daughters as if he could eat us.'
'As to looking, I have heard it said, Mrs Ned,' returned Mr George, angrily, 'that a cat is free to contemplate a monarch; and therefore I hope I have some right, having been born a member of this family, to look at a person who only came into it by marriage. As to eating, I beg to say, whatever bitterness your jealousies and disappointed expectations may suggest to you, that I am not a cannibal, ma'am.'
'I don't know that!' cried the strong-minded woman.
'At all events, if I was a cannibal,' said Mr George Chuzzlewit, greatly stimulated by this retort, 'I think it would occur to me that a lady who had outlived three husbands, and suffered so very little from their loss, must be most uncommonly tough.'"
Aaaah, those family reunions!

Hi Hilary,
you mentioned the coming together of Pecksniff and Montague Tigg, Esq. by means of their banging their heads together. Not only does this little scene suggest that Pecksniff is not so moral and noble as to scorn peeping through keyholes but it might also indicate that in their heads there is a kind of kinship between Pecksniff and Tigg.
Consider what Tigg says of Mr. Slyme - beside his reference to that gentleman's usually being round the corner:
"'I understand your mistake, and I am not offended. Why? Because it's complimentary. You suppose I would set myself up for Chevy Slyme. Sir, if there is a man on earth whom a gentleman would feel proud and honoured to be mistaken for, that man is my friend Slyme. For he is, without an exception, the highest-minded, the most independent-spirited, most original, spiritual, classical, talented, the most thoroughly Shakspearian, if not Miltonic, and at the same time the most disgustingly-unappreciated dog I know. But, sir, I have not the vanity to attempt to pass for Slyme. Any other man in the wide world, I am equal to; but Slyme is, I frankly confess, a great many cuts above me. Therefore you are wrong.'"
Why is this passage so telling? I think that it shows that Tigg is just as much of a hypocrite as Pecksniff; only where Pecksniff feigns an attachment to high moral principles and untiring benevolence, Tigg feigns unlimited admiration for his companion, who is probably, at that moment, just a useful instrument for him to somehow get access to a portion of the Chuzzlewit fortune. It soon becomes quite obvious that Tigg is the brain and driving force in the Slyme-Tigg duo, and that, for instance, Chevy Slyme's habit of waiting around the corner results from Tigg's sending him there so that he might be able to do business as he deems it fit. Also the mixture of shabbiness and genteelness in Tigg's outward appearance hints at the fact that there is a lot of Pecksniffery in Tigg - because Pecksniff lays claim to being a dignified and noble character, and yet the wind and keyholes expose him to the basest form of ridicule.
Tigg praises Chevy Slyme for very calculating reasons, whereas Pecksniff knows that he has a naive adulator in Tom Pinch - a circumstance he exploits by sending Tom to see the new pupil home.

You've picked out my favourite line from these chapters. Man, did I laugh! LOL.

I agree Everyman. Sarcasm all the way, when it comes Dickens's idea of Pecksniff. Although, it's interesting how the most decent person of the novel so far, Tom Pinch, sees Pecksniff as a near saint. It makes me feel all the more sorry for Pinch, rather than see Pecksniff in a kinder light.
I think the name Pecksniff suits Seth and his daughters perfectly. I can imagine them walking around, noses in the air, giving a disdainful sniff at everyone who is below them (but of course, in private, since Seth is too busy 'acting' his charitable self in public).

I agree. I can't be swayed either. Pecksniff is calculating and scheming, no doubt to the end. He's obviously had a lot of practice at it. The only person who has stayed with him (apart from his daughters) is Tom. He and Mrs Lupin are extremely gullible characters.
I found it amusing that Pecksniff was likened, in character, to his own horse. Not very flattering, but yet, another dig by the narrator at Pecksniff whilst further emphasising Dickens's dislike for duplicitous characters.





Either way I love the new word you have invented: 'Pecksniffery'. This ought certainly to have an entry in the OED.


I would not expect you to. Nor would I want to disturb your convictions.

Nice post. Yes, Dickens did that family reunion beautifully.

Agreed. If this were a football match, Dickens would definitely be flagged for piling on.


I don't find the style of the early chapters to be disagreeable. In fact, in some ways, they show Dickens's breadth and depth of abilities. What a great line Montague Tigg's speaks when he says "I have not the vanity to attempt to pass for Slyme" or when Dickens writes of George Chuzzlewit that he "claimed to be young but had been younger." Priceless style and phrasing, written so subtly that you can easily miss these and other gems with too quick a reading.


I have a very hard time reading about Tigg and Slyme. They are so odious that it is unpleasant to read about them; it can ruin an otherwise nice evening. So I've taken to just skipping through their appearances.

I have a very hard time reading about Tigg and Slyme. They are so odious that it is unpleasant to read..."
Oh Tigg is odious alright and Postlethwaite does a very good job of portraying him as such. LOL.
I find it interesting why Dickens would call Slyme by that name and not Tigg? To me, so far, Tigg comes across as more of the slime ball.

Hi Hilary,
you know what helps me appreciate purely descriptive writing? It's reading these passages aloud. If you do that with Dickens you will notice that the images come to life and that even the rhythm helps them do so. Which is, perhaps, little wonder since Dickens used to give public readings and therefore had to write a prose that lent itself to being read aloud. Just try it ;-)

I'm afraid, Hilary, that I cannot justly lay claim to that apt expression "Pecksniffery" as I'm sure that Dickens himself has coined it. It should be somewhere in one of the later instalments.
As to listening at keyholes, it is always an odious thing. So much so that Laurence Sterne punished one of his characters who listened at a keyhole by having him freeze in that uncomfortable position for several chapters. ;-)

Nice post. Yes, Dickens did that family reunion beautifully."
You know that we are on our best way of forfeiting our reputation of grumps if we go on like that, don't you?

"Full of promise, but of no performance" - thanks for pointing that wonderful expression out again!

I don..."
In fact, Peter, there are so many of these aphorisms in the early chapters that I got myself a dictaphone and collected them ;-)

Oh, dear.
I resolve to do better in future.

In my view, 'Pecksniffery' must still remain YOUR word as that was the first time that I am aware of having encountered it. Who is Dickens, after all, when Tristram is in the house?
As for listening at keyholes, I was always taught that it is a pastime never to be embarked upon, but then who am I? I can never come close to challenging a character who possesses the finesse and, indeed, rank of a Pecksniff!

Hilary
Your phrase "the rank of a Pecksniff" is positively Pickwickian and Dickensian. How Dickens would have enjoyed your double meaning of "rank." Social position and bad smell all rolled into one. Well done.



Still, I would not feel at ease claiming the honour of an invention made by another person. Still less so when this person is Dickens, who is not easy to imitate. I'm still under the expression of Chapters 6 to 8, which had some very fine moments, and I would not want to plagiarize from such a genius ;-)

I don't know the film you mentioned, but Fawlty Towers is definitely one of my all-time favourites, esp. the two episodes about the Germans and about the American and his Waldorf salad ;-)

we have now come to Chapters 4 and 5. Chapter 4 not only introduces the various branches of the Chuzzlewit family to us, giving us an impression why old Martin might have been fretting about the corruptive influence of his wealth on his surroundings, but it also shows Dickens at his most satiric and witty. This chapter is rife with brilliant and witty passages poking fun at Pecksniff, Chevy Slyme and Mr. Tigg, the Spottletoes, the strong-minded woman etc. etc. What are your favourite ones?
Then in Chapter 5 we have the description of Mr. Pinch going to Salisbury in order to meet the new pupil, who turns out to be none other but Martin, the Grandson, Chuzzlewit. Here I noticed some peculiarities of style, e.g. the narrator actually addressing Tom Pinch directly. What do you think about that? Is it too obtrusive, or is it a successful way of characterizing Mr. Pinch? Pinch picks up Mark – of whom, after a while we learn that he is actually working at the Blue Dragon. We are furthermore introduced to Mark’s quaint philosophy concerning the merits of being jolly – a philosophy which might also give rise to a discussion here, seeing that there are hardly any grumpy people around. Pinch walks around Salisbury – wonderful descriptions here – and he finally meets Martin junior. What do you make of this young man? – During their trip home, Tom tells him about a mysterious young woman who was listening to his playing the organ. Any idea as to her identity? Nudge, nudge … When they finally arrive at Mr. Pecksniff’s, this hypocrite has already prepared everything to be surprised by their arrival, and he shows his relative around the house.
Sure there is a lot to be discussed here … ?