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Invision
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Invision (CoN #7)
See I don't know, I think Nathan might be Cyprian due to Nick getting sick when he first arrives at St Richards. I really like the theory that its been Cyprian all along, he just did it in a Nick costume. We know that all the Malachai's have the same armour, but they have different skin, Nick's skin is red with Black symbols whilst Adarian's was Black with gold symbols. I'm pretty sure Jared's skin is the opposite of Nicks, I remember reading it in Strykers book. we all know that people can make other people see what they want them to see and we know that there hasn't been 2 full blooded Malachai in the same time in the gods only know how long so maybe they can mimic each other and no one can realise it?Anyone else think Rubati was a Malachai? seeing as they all had to die to keep the balance and we know that Monakribos was drugged but Grim and Lagurre's (apologise for the bad spelling) daughter when he killed her. Did she do that bcos she was jelous and wanted him for herself? Did she know Rubati was pregnant and it was the only way to keep the balance because she knew he'd never kill her?
thoughts?
The Malachais don't necessarily all have the same armor. Nick's is black, yet in Ambrose's dream vision of the future in which he killed Caleb, his armor was golden. I'm not sure what that's about. Maybe it's a personal fashion choice. When Ash explained what he knew about the Malachai to Nick in one of the first CON books, he said Monakribos' wife was a Malachai. He said Monakribos hid her but the gods found out and tricked him into killing her because there could only be one Malachai for balance. But in Invision, Ru has white wings, so I think she was never a Malachai at all (though she would have had to die anyway because she was pregnant with one ). I don't know why Grim and Laguerre's daughter would get involved and do the poisoning aside maybe from a basic willingness to serve her gods.
I think Nick's skin is red and black because he is Monakribos reincarnated and Monakribos made those markings in blood when his soulmate died. (Monakribos' dad was a Sephiroth, which might explain where he got the idea for the markings and why made them the opposite of the ones worn by the army that served the gods he hated). The only other Malachai we ever saw in demon form is his father, whose skin was gold and black, but he was also twelve feet tall at the time so who knows what that was about.
Maybe the golden armor is a clue... Sherri never does something accidentally it seems. Could be that Ambrose was seeing Cyprian destroy everything.One thing I did note on a re-read is what happened after Bathymaas's birth: To quote “Then let her be called Bathymaas. For she shall be my promise of a plague of unending misery on this earth. As you’ve all damned me, I curse you in return. None of you will know peace or love or happiness. Ever. Not until the day you do right by me and make amends for what you’ve wrongfully stolen. Damn you all! Damn you!” Now I'm not sure if Malachai's have the power to curse like gods do or if he was just rambling... but if they did, it would explain a lot (e.g. how many happy gods have you seen in the DH-verse? Even Hades and Persephone are separated most of the year).
I think he was cursing the Source Gods only. I'm not even sure the Greeks existed back then. And I think he DID curse them. There was a lot of chanting beforehand. I think he was cursing himself and his descendants to carry on his revenge quest and Bathymaas was created to balance that out. But that's just a theory. Still, they are both heartless and represent an aspect of retribution. He's wrath and revenge, she's cold justice. Losing her soulmate and child is also what pused her over the edge. And it's only when Monakribos was reborn into a Malachai with a heart that Bathymaas could finally get hers back for good.
I think the chanting beforehand was just to make sure that his descendants carry out his revenge, not a curse on the gods directly. That second quote is probably the curse. Before that Cam showed up with her Pantheon, so there were probably other gods during that time (maybe not as we know them now). I agree with Bathy getting her heart back when the Malachai does. Maybe like with Apollo Monakribos accidentally cursed her too with the other gods? All the bad things that has happened to the gods just stinks of a curse to me.
Cam's pantheon is the Kalosum. There were other gods. But I don't think Monakribos was thinking about the Greeks, Sumerians or Egyptians. I don't think they even existed at that point.
I don't think that's the case, I think each members of the Kalosum, Cam, Verlyn and Razar, all had different pantheons. We know that the 3 light Gods and the 3 dark gods have team names for lack of a better word but they've never been described as a pantheon before.
Adam wrote: "I don't think that's the case, I think each members of the Kalosum, Cam, Verlyn and Razar, all had different pantheons. We know that the 3 light Gods and the 3 dark gods have team names for lack of..."This is the closest to an answer that I could find:
"As is stated numerous times in the books, the Malachai were taken down by a combo of the Sepherii and the Kalosum powers (there’s more to the army than just the three primals and the Sepherii), as well as the Mavromino and their powers/army" - Carl
And somewhere else it said, about why the gods are known under other names (and belong to other pantheons):
"There is a very important reason for Apollymi, but that would be a spoiler so I'm not saying anything at this time. As for Rezar, he was renamed by the Egyptians when they brought him into their pantheon" - Carl
I don't think any of them became a part of other pantheons (Atlantean, Greek, etc) until after the Primus Bellum. Chronologically, that war happened Before Recorded Time, but whenever we get flashbacks of other civilisations (egyptians, atlantheon or greeks) we have a date attached. So I don't think the gods joined up with them until waaay after the Primus Belum.
Michael wrote: "I think the chanting beforehand was just to make sure that his descendants carry out his revenge, not a curse on the gods directly. That second quote is probably the curse. Before that Cam showed u..."I just thnk it's a balance thing. She couldn't get her heart back until the gods "made amends for what they stole" from Monakribos. So giving Nick (reincarnated Kri) a loving mother gave him his heart back. Which allowed Bathymaas to get hers. But now that he's the Malachai in DH, without his mother, whatever good he has in him (his heart) is "dying out". So, when he loses his heart completly, and Bathymaas still has hers, that will unbalance the whole universe and he'll go crazy evil. They need to fix it so he has Kody before that happens.
That's how I see it.
Adam wrote: "As is stated numerous times in the books, the Malachai were taken down by a combo of the Sepherii and the Kalosum powers (there’s more to the army than just the three primals and the Sepherii)..."Is that THE Malachai or the army of them? Because I can kinda see how it would take that many powers to take him down. In the CoN books there seems to be a lot of hype about how powerful the Malachai is and everything, but I don't really see it (probably because of Cyprian).
Michael wrote: "Adam wrote: "As is stated numerous times in the books, the Malachai were taken down by a combo of the Sepherii and the Kalosum powers (there’s more to the army than just the three primals and the S..."Everybody is freaking out about how powerful Nick is because each Malachai inherits his ancestors powers as well as his own. So, since Monakribos, the Malachai's powers have increased exponentially. And Monakribos was already pretty freakin' powerful demon in his time. He kicked Caleb's ass.
I think he meant the Malachai race earlier because he uses "were taken down".
Didn't Kody kill some of the previous Malachais to make Ambrose weaker?
Michael wrote: "Didn't Kody kill some of the previous Malachais to make Ambrose weaker?"I think she tried to, but failed. Most likely out of a sense of compassion.
That wouldn't have made him weaker anyway. With one of his ancestors dead, Ambrose would have never been born. :PHere's a more detailed answer from the author about Kody's mission: https://www.goodreads.com/questions/5...
Kissare - can someone explain him to me? He's mentioned in the book but I"m not quite clear on how he figures in.
I do believe that Kissare is Braith/Apollymi's first love. They had a son, Monakribos. He sacrificed himself so his son could live.
Shari's right, Kissare was the demigod Sephiroth who fathered Monakribos. =)
I'm glad you added that Demi-god Sephiroth part cause I couldnt remember fully what he was lol
He was a Demi-god too? Where does it say that?
Thanks for the info! So I'm guessing they required him to sacrifice himself to keep Monakribos alive?
He volunteered to do it since Monakribos's birth was against the law. To keep from having son killed, he thought his death would appease the other gods. They agreed to that.
Who's laws? Noir mentioned something in Invision about their "blasphemy" but I don't think the Source of all evil in the Universe would care about such a thing... unless he was trying to piss off his sister (which imo isn't the smartest move).
I remember Charlotte posted this in the tidbits. I just found the link to what you wanted to know, Michael.https://m.facebook.com/AuthorSherrily...
Um, I still don't remember seeing anywhere that Kissare was a demi-god. Sephiroth, yes, but demi-god? I don't remember that. Could someone tell me where to find that info?
Ash was the one who told Nick that Kissare was a demigod, in Inferno. It's in the scene where Nick asks Ash about the Malachai.Here's a snippet from the book:
Ash nodded. "The only exception is the original Malachai bloodline. The firstborn alone can father a child even more powerful than he is."
All right, that explained Nick's powers and why they were so dangerous.
"Do you know why?" Nick asked.
"Not really. But I suspect it has to do with the fact that he, unlike others of his kind, was born from a goddess who had an affair with a Sephiroth."
"What's a Sephiroth?" Nick already knew, but if he didn't ask, Acheron might become suspicious again.
"They were consorts and soldiers of the primal gods. But they were never supposed to breed with them."
"Then why did they?"
Acheron shrugged. "The goddess wanted a baby and she wanted it to be powerful, but not torn by pantheon politics. So, she conceived a child with her Sephiroth, who was also a demigod." (Kindle, 21%)
Granted, Ash could have given incorrect information. But to the best of my knowledge, the "demigod" bit has never been contradicted anywhere. And it could be that all Sephirii were considered demigods.
I completely missed that! I don't know if him being a demi-god is a special case or if it's common with the Sephirii. I'm not sure how they came to be beyond the very vague "the gods made them to be their army" thing. Also, weirdly, I read somewhere that they were supposed to be consorts for the gods, but somewhere else it said Kissare and Braith's relationship was taboo. So I'm not sure what that's about.
They probably were consorts to the gods to build their army up until the war between the primal gods. To prevent each other from growing their armies, it was probably agreed that they werent allowed to birth anymore Malachai and Sephiroths (dont know the plural form of it) which probably made it taboo. Thats what I got from that tidbit in the link I shared in my post above. I could be misinterpreting it though.
Shari-amor wrote: "They probably were consorts to the gods to build their army up until the war between the primal gods. To prevent each other from growing their armies, it was probably agreed that they werent allowe..."I interpreted that to mean that gods just weren't supposed to have children with their consorts (Sephirii).
It makes sense. They are immortal, so there's really no need to make more of them. The war only came later and from what I've seen of them thus far, I don't think Sephiroth casualties were all that high to begin with (this is before their war with the Malachai).
What I don't understand is that the Malachai army were put down as punishment for their rebellion against the gods. But I thought they were the Mavromino's army in the war. So they didn't rebell during the war since the Mavromino makes up half the Source Gods. Presumebly, at some point between the Primus Bellum and the peace that followed it, the Malachai people apparently said "screw it" to their masters. And then the Source Gods made peace and convinced Monakribos to execute his people as punishment.
I'm trying to think of a reason for them to have rebelled in any way. Trying to think of how they might have done that. And the only thing I can think of that happened between the Primus Bellum and the peace that followed it is that Chthonians started interfering. So maybe the Malachai are the ones that warned them of the situation? I don't know...
They were bred for slaughter, so I don't think the idea of peace would have sat well with them. Maybe their natures got the better of them? Ash mentioned that Monakribos was unique BECAUSE he is the offspring of a Sephiroth. Presumably the others of his kind didn't have the spark of benevolence in them.
is monakribos dead or alive?
He's dead, Ray.*waves* Hiiiii Ray ^_^
Heu Shari ok so he has Sepharii blood. nick does too. is nock decended from him or is he Jared's grandson?
Both. Jared's grandson and a descendant of Monakribos through Adarian. That's why he has both Sephorii and Malachai blood. And of course human because of his mother.
how can have jared concieved a chuld if he still is always imprisoned ?
*child
He's enslaved so whoever his master is or was probably releases him to do tasks every now and again. Like, Cronus is his master now but lets him do whatever he wants. He doesnt keep Jared locked up. Whoever his master was at the time (most likely Stryker's wife) set him free for a bit and he ended up in a bar. Mennie/Ma'at put a human female in his path to have sex with so he could conceive a female child (Cherise) that would eventually end up with Adarian. Jared doesnt remember any of this btw. Maat set this whole thing up so Adarian's offspring would have some good in him.
I think I explained that right.....I hope I did lol
is nick even Angry with MAAT ? or did he already forgive her? cause i would be pisses
Ray (warrior of randomness) XP wrote: "is nick even Angry with MAAT ? or did he already forgive her? cause i would be pisses"
I hope he's still mad at her too, since she is the reason why his mother's life was ruined by his father.
I hope he's still mad at her too, since she is the reason why his mother's life was ruined by his father.
so who is really at fault for messing with time? my miney is on MAAT
Shari-amor wrote: "He's enslaved so whoever his master is or was probably releases him to do tasks every now and again. Like, Cronus is his master now but lets him do whatever he wants. He doesnt keep Jared locked up..."Cronus is Jared's master? since when? Zephyra was his mistress until he got traded for a necklace, or something like that... but I thought they bought his freedom with it, not enslaved him to someone else. And we don't know who his master was before Zephyra
Michael wrote: "They were bred for slaughter, so I don't think the idea of peace would have sat well with them. Maybe their natures got the better of them? Ash mentioned that Monakribos was unique BECAUSE he is th..."Maybe they went to the Chthonians hoping the Chthonian would execute their masters. That would have sent the gods' powers back to the source and since the Malachai draw their power from the source, it would have freed them and made them more powerful at the same time
Yeah Cronus/Jericho is the one that traded the necklace. The source is the one that punished him. He'll always be a slave. Jared explained that to Cronus/Jericho when he told him he was "free". That wasnt how it worked. He still wears the containment collar. Only the source can free him or his current master dies.
Ah scratch that last past of "when current master dies". I read it wrong. If the containment collar is removed, Jared will die. But yeah only the Source can remove it.
Dammit I've been using the wrong name, lol Cratus/Jericho
Oh ok now it makes since. We haven't even met Cronus yet, so I didn't understand what you were talking about earlier
Sorry about the confusion. I knew his name started with a "C" and my mind convinced me it was Cronus. Once I referenced the book, I immediately knew my mistake
if jared knew Nick and Madoc are brothers then how come he does not know nick is his grandson?
Acheron is supposedly stronger than his mother. And Katra is supposedly stronger than Ash. So I don't think it works that way.
I think the meeting of bloodlines - Braith's, Azura's and Verlyn's - will sort if amplify whatever abilities Nick could have gotten from them.