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May 07, 2016 01:47AM
I have never read about Karna saving Draupadi. He hated her. He would have saved her chirharan. I hate him for that.
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Information wise, Jaya is much better. Introspection wise, this is brilliant! Enjoyed a lot.Here's my review.
Aarti wrote: "I have never read about Karna saving Draupadi. He hated her. He would have saved her chirharan. I hate him for that."Is there some more light on this in Mrityunjay?
In one of the versions (I think Palace of Illusions), Karna was waiting for Draupadi to be called upon for help during Cheeraharan. Draupadi looked at him, and then looked away and asked others for help. This infuriated Karna, ki even in need of help, this girl has such high ego!
Draupadi's version : She looked away, because of shame. She recalled how Karna was insulted at her swayamvara, and out of guilt could not look at him for help.
All of these, are twisted interpretations I feel :P Though you can never know!
Forget about their past for a minute. There is this woman in distress and needs help. Its ur duty to rescue her being a gentleman and warrior. He was only the only could have done something. Duryodhana would have stopped.
Pandavas were real shame.
Pandavas were real shame.
Is there some more light on this in Mrityunjay?
@Gorab: yeah, Karna defended himself. but I just dont buy it.
hmmmm... thats what is anticipated of each person's version. They defend themselves....I wonder if there is Shakuni Mama's version ever written too :P
Jaya has a slight glimpse of justification on why Shakuni did what he did.
In one book I read that Shakuni let Ghandhari marry to Drit for money. They had this tradition that any king has any dissability, they used to give lots of money to her father and have their princess. Madri's marriage to Pandu happended this way. I read in this book called Gandhari that she blinded herself to remind Bhishma and Satyavati of their injustice. She alwz blamef Bhishma. But, I think that if there is anyone to blame then its her father and brother
In another book I read that Shakuni did not like this marriage and that he wanted to take revenge so misguided Duryodhana. But, this does not make sense. He could have stopped it.
In another book I read that Shakuni did not like this marriage and that he wanted to take revenge so misguided Duryodhana. But, this does not make sense. He could have stopped it.
1. When Bhishma approached Gandhar for Drit's marriage, Subala (king of Gandhar) was not in a position to refuse the marriage. Father and brother knew Drit was blind and still married their daughter.2. Now Gandhari herself had a story before marrying Drit. She was married to a sacrificial goat, as she was mangalik and as per her kundli the first husband will die.
3. During some conflict (I don't remem exactly), the truth of Gandhari's goat marriage came up which made the Kuru clan angry. According to the Vedas, a woman's kids are always the sons of her first husband even when born from an oath, a curse, a boon or any other mortal. Therefore, the Kauravas were the sons of a dead goat and therefore sons of a widow.
4. Bhishma, to take vengeance, invited king of Gandhar and their sons as guests. They were not allowed to leave Hastinapur. Two possible reasons : (i) The guests cannot leave until the hosts give them permission.
(ii) They were locked upon in Hastinapur.
5. Killing of guests is looked down upon. So Kuru's formed a plot to kill them indirectly. They started giving them lesser and lesser food each day so they starve and die.
6. Subala's family realised this. They gave all of their food and fed only the youngest of them - Subalottam (Shakuni). All of them died except him, to avenge the death of his family.
7. Furthermore, Subala just before dying, gave his bones to Shakuni and said whenever you will play with dice made of these bones, you will never lose.
8. So Shakuni was not favouring Kauravas. He wanted the whole of Kuru clan dead.
But I see major inconsistencies in this as well:
- Were the Kauravas fools to have trusted Shakuni knowing that they killed all of his family?
I just posted message 109 from here and there based on what I recall. But I do know Jaya has a discussion of it in a structured approach. I'll look it up again in Jaya someday.
Okay. I heard this somewhere.
Also, how come Shakuni accompanied her sister along with her marriage? Where would the above story fit then?
I also read that Gandhar takes part in the war against Pandava
Due to similar names and similarity in location, I tried finding whether Gandhar is present day Kandahar in Afghanistan... Kandahar is said to have found by Alexander in 329 BC :\
On further probing, found some shocking articles on how Afghanistan (Upgansthan) was cradle of Hindu and Buddhist cultures for many centuries before Islam took over.
No ideas about truth... but people stir up anything even remotely connected to mix this Hindu Muslim rivalry everywhere!
Guys read The Land of Seven rivers for a peak on that and more
Yes you had reco's it earlier and its in my tbr. Will read it for sure.Good to get a glimpse of what it may have in store :)
What you reading these days Rahul and Aarti?
Since I have been promoted to a new Plant, reading the Process manual :p. And to complement this started with The First 90 Days, Updated and Expanded: Critical Success Strategies for New Leaders at All Levels
oh nice!! many congratulations.
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