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I think it's more likely that Jon is half Targaryen. Also, best line of the season so far, "That's what I do, I drink and I know things."
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They put that line on a shirt if you're interested.
I would have put the Hound as the Stranger, I think his horse is named, Stranger(?).I can't be certain, as I didn't read the article, someone else did, but Jonathon Pryce hints that his character will be given a back story(I hope so)....The HS is an odd man, usually fanatics think they are God & even though he goads Jaime to kill him, he does so knowing full well that his sparrows will come to his aid....
As for Tyrion being a secret Targ.....I think D&D will leave it ambiguous and we'll have to read the books to find out who are the three heads of the dragons.....
Also do you think we'll get NO POV from Jon, once he is resurrected, because we didn't from Cat...Once she became LSH, there were no more POV's....No POV from Jon will suck! In Winds of Winter, that is lol
"That's what I do, I drink and I know things." is like the most lazy thing ever, IMO.
It's a quote that adequately describes so many of my friends.
@rebecca I don't think that's the point the high sparrow was making about the seven. The father represents judgment. He fears being judged as unworthy. The mother represents mercy he fears not being merciful enough. I can't remember what the third one was but you get the gist.
JaphiaHart wrote: "@rebecca I don't think that's the point the high sparrow was making about the seven. The father represents judgment. He fears being judged as unworthy. The mother represents mercy he fears not bein...""mercy he fears not being merciful enough."
Then he should be trembling in fear....The one thing I did not like in the show, was the people chanting outside for Margaery's release....Margaery has some 'people power' of her own, hence the reason why the HS may have released her...That is a *big* element in Margaery's story and should have been included.
When it comes to the HS, we see him going after the major Houses, but they probably wont have enough time to see him going after the people and in time, a person like him would turn his eye on the people....The ordinary man/woman in the streets are also committing sins and once he has destroyed the rich and powerful he will then start incarcerating the peasants....He would become a Tyrant.....I doubt this aspect will be covered though as time is running out....But I get your point:)
I wonder if Margery will convert to the Sparrows.
I was thinking that last episode Freddy. It would be a smart play for marg to align herself with the faith against cersei. She's honestly not guilty of anything and it seems the move the HS wants her to make. At least until the troops from high garden arrive.
I think so. HS's probably planning this. After all, Sparrows don't have military training and fine weapons and armours. Riots, perhaps, but they definitely can't fight against a real Army.
Michael wrote: "If Tyrion turns out to be a Targaryan I'm quitting."I'm curious too. Why quit?
The Hound will lead the Sparrows to war
It's been speculated for years that Tyrion was the Mad Kings son, same with Jon being Rhaegar's... Sems an odd time to quit.."What is honor? A horse."
"Who is the Stranger?" "A Horse"
JaphiaHart wrote: "I was thinking that last episode Freddy. It would be a smart play for marg to align herself with the faith against cersei. She's honestly not guilty of anything and it seems the move the HS wants h..."I thought the same thing, especially after that convo between the HS & Margaery, it was as if he were coaxing her to do a little confession.....I think he wants her out so she can 'turn' Tommen against his mother....You know that old saying 'a house divided....'
The one thing I am disappointed with though, is that Marg has her own 'people power', in the books the crowds yell for the HS to release Margaery, but in the show, there is none of that....
I read this on WIC......It's not a Spoiler....but I did note that one actor who we all hoped would die in Episode 9 is **listed** Is it a mistake or does that bastard get away?!NO Title is given & NO synopsis....running time 69 mins
http://winteriscoming.net/2016/05/06/...
69 mins....might be the longest in all episodes so far
Freddy wrote: "69 mins....might be the longest in all episodes so far"It is
Am I the only one wallowing in anxiety about the nature of Jon's awakening tonight? Alive in body but not in spirit. I'm still pinning my hopes on Ghost being somehow instrumental in saving Jon's humanity. (No other reason for Ghost to be featured so prominently, is there?)
Alfred wrote: "Am I the only one wallowing in anxiety about the nature of Jon's awakening tonight? Alive in body but not in spirit. I'm still pinning my hopes on Ghost being somehow instrumental in saving Jon's h..."I don't really think they are gonna anything different from what they did with Beric. For now he's OK but if keeps dying and coming back then he will start forgetting and losing himself. Go hollow (In Dark Souls terms)
Anyone else disappointed with the Tower of Joy scene? Where was Ser Gerold, the White Bull? The dialogue between Ned and Arthur was bland.
Thomas wrote: "Anyone else disappointed with the Tower of Joy scene? Where was Ser Gerold, the White Bull? The dialogue between Ned and Arthur was bland."I think that was the point. History knew of that battle as something great. But in reality it was not.
To me this wasn't history over glorifying battles. A person wasn't at the battle. What was the point of not including Ser Gerold? Why have Ser Oswell and not him? I was looking forward to seeing all three members of the Kingsguard there and that convo between them and Ned. The words that were exchanged were very important
Wow, I must have been watching a different show. I thought the confrontation between Dayne and Ned was brilliantly done. No Gerrold Hightower because he's never been mentioned and the writers of this show arent the type to say Hey this guy is super important, oh wait he's dead now. The lines that Dayne/Whent did say were the most relevant based on the show - Jamie kiling aerys and robert killing Rhaegar. if Ned tells them that "I came down on Storm's End and the lords Paxter and Redwyne dipped their banners" - Tv viewers hear "I came down on place we haven't seen in 4 seasons and guys I've never heard of surrendered."
Not only that but the 3on 1 odds would have made for a really short fight scene. The sword of the morning is a bamf
I thought it was a good episode as well. I want more Bran. I love that Rickon and Osha are back.
Has Ser Arthur been mentioned? Ser Oswell definitely hasn't. Maybe I am being nit picky, my point is why did they include two and not three? Why go 2/3 of the way and not just add the LC of the Kingsguard. Yes, they did pick the relevant lines but I felt the mood btwn Arthur and Ned was more anger than sadness. I just wanted more, that's all. Been looking forward to this scene for a long time. It's one of my personal fav dialogue exchanges in the books. Highlights Jaime's feelings of the slow degradation of the KG perfectly. Ser Arthur's fight was awesome. Edge of my seat for the whole time. Stepped up their fight choreography from Dorne a 100%
I hope Osha, Rickon and the Umbers serve the "Northern Conspirary" role in the incoming Battle of Winterfell. Jon is certainly going there now. If Shaggydog really died off camera and the whole "Loyalty with the Starks" doesn't exist in the show... It would be another major disappointment.
Two swords? :S WTF? I didn't like it :(
Right? It would have been more badass fighting them off with one sword. But it was still a Decent sword battle. And I liked adding bran's interest in mystery of what's in the tower. "What's in the tower?" Cause you can hear a woman screaming. But shouldn't bran know what's in the tower. He's heard the story a number of times. Overall good episode. I thought aryas training was a over a bit abruptly. She blocks a hit and she's in the club?
But it made me think... Arya keeps responding with "I am no one" but that doesn't seem like the right answer. Wouldn't a more appropriate answer be "I am anyone"? They serve the many-faced God. Their job is to literally infiltrate and take up another person's life as their own until the job is finished.
So it would make more sense if the exchange should go "who are you?" Then "I am anyone". Or "who do you need me to be"? Arya's pushing hard to be no one and abandon arya stark but perhaps that's not the right tact?
Rickon: I don't hate this tract much. Bran just assumed the umber a would be loyal and they likely kept the secret for a while but letting the wildings through probably pushed them over the edge. But at least Rickon is back in the game and grew 3ft as well. Im really sad shaggydog is dead. Besides Ramsey needs something else to do.
Jon: questions answered. How does Jon handle being brought back to life? The most emotional way possible, obviously. It makes sense but Hopefully, he'll be done moping by next episode.
Meeren: With the exception of varys the meeren scenes were underwhelming. Tyrion was oddly weak this episode. Drinking games with Missandi and the unsullied? Kind of pointless. They know a lot about the masters of the neighboring cities. Tyrion could have been getting information to strategize but instead we learn that greyworm and Missandi aren't very fun. Varys was a boss though.
KL: hooray for lady olenna. I think she and Kevan will die by ceresi's order.
JaphiaHart wrote: "Right? It would have been more badass fighting them off with one sword. But it was still a Decent sword battle. And I liked adding bran's interest in mystery of what's in the tower. "What's in the ..."And It would have been awesome if the sword would have been an special sword. Even if the show would never touch upon it. A depiction of Dawn would have been a awesome gift for book readers.
"What's in the Tower?" shut up Bran we don't have many thing for you to do this season so get used to it. Will tease it for the whole season!!!
Ned never talked about Lyanna, like never never never (That includes Jon origin) So Bran would have known that his father fought Arthur Dayne, but he wouldn't know where or why or what happened after the fight was over. Anything regarding Lyanna was a no no for Ned. Sansa said not so long ago also. Their version of the story is that Lyanna got kidnapped and raped by Rhaegar.
She has to be "no one" so she can be "everyone". She has to be a blank slate, so she can use any mask. If something of her real personality remains it could makes the disguise fail. She still has needle... so I think she will never truly be "no one".
I'm just hoping D&D don't throw the whole "Northern Conspiracy" to the trash. It is a great part of the whole North plotline. And yes, Ramsey need something to do but this would be his third torture victim and now that too much repetitive.
Why are you talking about Bran here?
The whole conversation about
Ramsey: "Hey Umber are you not like a super Stark fanboy? Ultra loyal and shit? what are you doing here?"
Umber: "What? No, fuck that, hey hey I have a gift for you! see! see! I'm on your side man!"
I felt it like a ploy, Osha's look on her face also... but maybe I'm giving D&D too much credit.
They keep trying to make Tyrion the comic relief and it is not working...
Pycelle is also like super dead this season...
Boy do I hate what they have done to Jaime... so terrible.
@ Thomas—As book readers we get the significance of LC Gerold Hightower, but the non-book readers would not. I think they cut him to make the scene shorter. And the wording was also cut between Ned & Dayne for the same reason. I would have liked an explanation of why the KG were guarding Rhaegar & Lyanna and not the King at Kings Landing, but oh well…..When it comes to the mood, in the books Ned was having a fever dream, in reality, he may have thought that Rhaegar had kidnapped Lyanna and so was intent on saving her & so one can understand that he indeed may have felt anger at Lyanna’s abduction and that someone like Ser Arthur Dayne had participated in the abduction of his beloved sister. It’s too bad they cut the scene short, because I am sure Lyanna will tell Ned that she agreed to go with Rhaegar and it is looking back that Ned has regrets in how he behaved with Dayne…..But I did think the fight was well executed & had me sitting on the edge of my seat….@Nelson—I hope you’re right about the Grand Northern Conspiracy, but I have my doubts. Why would Osha place herself in such danger & she is in real danger as she is unimportant in the scheme of things? It is the same with Rickon, why would smallJon Umber put Rickon in such danger with a madman who just murdered his father, step-mother and baby brother? What if Ramsay had ordered the execution of Rickon immediately?.....Look at the 2nd trailer of Season 6, there is a scene with Ramsay in his bedroom wiping a knife and smiling-there is only one woman in Winterfell now and that is Osha….Also something needs to fire up Jon & Sansa, I think the Pink Letter with a piece of Shaggydog will arrive at Castle Black and motivate them both to fight in order to save their little brother…..I am hoping we will see the Manderleys and that they will turn against Ramsay. But we’ll see……
When you hear the voice say, ‘do you like to play games, little man?’ that voice is Ramsay Bolton and at 0:41 you can see Ramsay wiping a knife in his bedroom…Here is the Link to the trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI0ib...
Rebecca wrote: "@ Thomas—As book readers we get the significance of LC Gerold Hightower, but the non-book readers would not. I think they cut him to make the scene shorter. And the wording was also cut between Ned..."That would be so lame :( just another torture victim... but knowing them that's probably what they will do ZzzzZzzz
I mentioned bran because he is the person who chose to send Rickon to the Umbers. Arya: yea I guess, either way makes sense i think it's just a matter of perspective. Are the faceless men just empty vessels? They don't seem to be in the books but maybe so in the show.
Overall. Cool episode. Hopefully things start moving forward towards the end.
Nelson wrote: "Rebecca wrote: "@ Thomas—As book readers we get the significance of LC Gerold Hightower, but the non-book readers would not. I think they cut him to make the scene shorter. And the wording was also..."This is Dan n Dave's version & they are drumming home to the viewer(as if we need reminding) just how evil Ramsay is. They also went OTT with Meryn Trant last Season as well...And according to WOTW the Umbers are only in 2 scenes and we've just seen one of them. So where is the time to build up a conspiracy?...I'm hoping we'll see the Manderleys.....
Rebecca wrote: "Nelson wrote: "Rebecca wrote: "@ Thomas—As book readers we get the significance of LC Gerold Hightower, but the non-book readers would not. I think they cut him to make the scene shorter. And the w..."I'm just being hopeful that the show goes a more interesting route. I don't any faith in the writers. They have showed me they are not up to part. More reminders that Ramsey is evil, Geez... I call that filler. There's no need to remind that to anyone.
The Umbers just need to appear one more time this season after this if they are gonna have the whole conspiracy made. It can be done. They won't though... because why make the effort.
@JaphiaHart In the books they seem to be blank slates. Only Jaqen had a personality of sorts.
Did Bran wanted Rickon to go to the Umbers in the books too? or Is that a TV show only thing?
Nelson wrote: "Rebecca wrote: "Nelson wrote: "Rebecca wrote: "@ Thomas—As book readers we get the significance of LC Gerold Hightower, but the non-book readers would not. I think they cut him to make the scene sh..."In the books Osha takes Rickon to Skagos or so it is rumoured....
I don't think it's rumored since book readers witnessed bran tell Osha to go to skaggos. Whether they got their or not? I actually don't really remember much about it and it doesn't seem to matter much in the show. Since they ended up with the Umbers.
in the books the faceless men seem to have a connection to who they were before they were faceless men. There's the cup bearer scene when arya is listening in/serving at a meeting in which who she believes are other faceless men state whether or not they know someone because they don't seem to kill people they knew before.
Again, semantics. I'm not sure it matter either way. But the kindly man and the waif never give us a name so I could be completely wrong.
We'll see when Davos gets there! if ever. Only Jaqen gives us a name. I have always like to think he's kind of a renegade from the order. That would make him even cooler in my eyes!
Wow that's a super cool head cannon! I never really thought that was his name. I assumed it was the name of the face he was wearing.
Did you guys catch the change up of the little birds? I hope we get that scene with Kevin Lannister. Also did you notice Cersi mentioned a battle for the Mountain. Who wants to place bets that The Hound will be the one to fight for the priests? I know in my heart that it was him on that island. That was way back in like book 4 I think....
Jennifer wrote: "Did you guys catch the change up of the little birds? I hope we get that scene with Kevin Lannister. Also did you notice Cersi mentioned a battle for the Mountain. Who wants to place bets that The ..."Isn't Cersei's only witness to her crimes, Lancel Lannister? If so, then Lancel hasn't got long to live......
Chiming in briefly here. Arya regaining sight, gaining skills - predictable. Jon walking off and declaring himself done with the Watch - uneventful. Tyrion talking mostly to himself about conversation - redundant. Dany indignantly declaring her titles once again - I can already see Daarios and Jorah, with Drogon just swooping in to the gathering of Khalasars and rescuing her in dramatic fashion. Ramsay looking evil again - ho hum. Finally, TOJ fighting scene - so underwhelming. Overall, disappointing so far. Everything just felt rushed and missing little details.... Still, yay to Lady O, Bran, Osha, Rickon, Davos, and no Dorne.
JaphiaHart wrote: "Wow that's a super cool head cannon! I never really thought that was his name. I assumed it was the name of the face he was wearing."Him being in Oldtown and everything he's doing there has always seemed to me like more than a normal assassination work. So I like to think that yes, Jaqen is a renegade and he's on a mission of his own, using his Faceless Men abilities.
Yes, the man in the graveyard is Sandor, The Hound is dead, but Sandor lives. Ad they just remind us of him in this episode with Arya talking about him.
@nelson I always attributed Jaquan's presence in old town to the faceless men being more than assassins for hire. I believe they have their own agenda. there's a theory that they may have caused/had a hand in the doom of valyria. I think If Rickon has to get tortured. It makes more sense that Ramsey does it rather than introducing some random evil umber that whose name we have to remember to do the torturing. This way we're already afraid for Rickon regardless of what Ramsey is doing or saying. Rather than there being yet another evil jerk in the north.
JaphiaHart wrote: "@nelson I always attributed Jaquan's presence in old town to the faceless men being more than assassins for hire. I believe they have their own agenda. there's a theory that they may have caused/ha..."Yes, I just want Jaqen to be someone :) like Arya. He saw himself in her.
Yes, of course is gonna be Ramsey, but more torture coming from whoever is just lame and repetitive. I really think those lines about how loyal the Umbers were to the Starks are not throwaways. I'll have hope in the writers just for this once.
I'm skipping any scene with Ramsay Snow........D&D can write as many as they want....... I refuse to watch him.
I really don't think he is going to torture Rickon. I am not sure why, but I don't think he will. I am not sure what the Umbers are playing at...
Jennifer wrote: "I really don't think he is going to torture Rickon. I am not sure why, but I don't think he will. I am not sure what the Umbers are playing at..."They all hate the Boltons and Freys! The North Remembers!!!
Jennifer wrote: "I really don't think he is going to torture Rickon. I am not sure why, but I don't think he will. I am not sure what the Umbers are playing at..."I don't think D&D will film Rickon being tortured, but Ramsay will kill him......This is not a GNC moment with the Umbers, I think they only have two scenes in the show. And one has to look at Osha, why would she agree to be handed over to a psycho when she knows she is totally expendable? And she would never put Rickon in danger. The Umbers have no say now in how Ramsay handles Rickon, and it will be Ramsay's men guarding Rickon notthe Umber's men.
It's a pity that the show has deviated so much from the books, I can only hope they will bring in the Manderleys, but there is no time now for a GNC...But this will put steel in Sansa's spine and put the fire back in Jon's heart......But I'm growing weary of yet another Stark being killed & his Direwolf......
D&D are such horrible writers o_o it's amazing.
