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From what I've heard, Urian and Savitar are going to have their own books.
2018 for Urian. Savitar still undecided.
I'm not really that bothered by it but all those characters are hugely important, a lot of characters are not heard from for years but they are a lot more regular and far more important. I'm sure she is just waiting for the right timing to introduce their story arc.I really couldn't care less about the dragons or were hunters though. 3 one after the other seems a bit much though, I mean maxis got a mention like once every 5 years and I really wasn't that fussed about Max's book or his brothers.. Urian will be a good read.
I do feel your irritation though! When it's somebody I don't really care for..
I think Maxis and Falcyn stories will be important to introduce Urian's book, he's the third of the dragons trilogy. Maybe Urian's mate will be Maxis daughter ^^
She's old compared to a human but isn't she technically like 18 years old in WH years? Wait I thought Maxis was the first Dragon book?
SK has mentioned that she has tried to come up with Remi's story, but Remi has remained silent. I'm not an author, but I've done roleplay before, and if a character refuses to speak, then it's difficult to write anything with that character.Like Slick says, though, each character is important, and SK has also stated that each character that is introduced, is done so for a reason. We got a lot of serious background information with Max's book, and I imagine we'll get even more background info with Illarion's and Falcyn's stories.
Misty is correct, the Dragon trilogy consists of Illarion's, Falcyn's, and Urian's stories; SONO and Dragonbane seemed to be more of a tie-in to the Lords of Avalon series (background on Thorn and Sav notwithstanding).
I've also been thinking that perhaps Max's daughter will be Urian's mate (I'll have to double check, but I think she's something like 30 in human years), but SK has also hinted that perhaps Urian himself might have some ... previously hidden talents. ;)
I know that a lot of readers are practically screaming for Savitar's book, but SK has repeatedly stated that we are not ready for his book yet, mainly because it will change the DH world in a major way. Not to mention that with Sav, there are 14,000 years of history to get through, so it's easier to drop off chunks of information throughout the books and give us readers time to digest it.
Yeah Savatars book will cause huge upheaval in the DH world. So much stuff needs to be done and characters arcs set up and others wrapped up. Yeah i try not to complain too much because i usually end up enjoying most of them, except for a very minor few. Since im not really a League reader it's mostly an obstacle between DH & CON hahaAs the son of a Chthonian and the daughter of a Primal god birthed by a Daemon i'd bloody hope he would have some haha ;) I have been thinking this for a while.
Loved the Thorn and Savitar info chunks especially... >:D
Honestly I see Savitar's book as one of the last in the whole serie, just before the final one with the show off with Nick, Ash, etc.
I know that every character is important...but I still can't help be pissed off when a character I could care less about gets the spotlight.It was like Sherrilyn said on Valerius profile page that Valerius and Tabitha would be back in many many more books.
I've hardly seen Valerius since Seize the Night....I've seen a bit of Tabitha, but not the many many more books SK mentioned.
And "back" can be relative...I also get frustrated when all these newbies pop up in a new book when I just want to read about my DH's & WH's! But I too believe that Sav, who I'm dying to read about, won't be until near the end. I'm trying to remember Sherri's arcs (Ash 1st, Jaden? 2nd & Sav 3rd?)...
If I remember correctly, the main arcs after Ash are Jaden, Savitar, Thorn, and Nick. And they're all occurring simultaneously. =)
Yeah those are the arcs that I remember as well. They're all happening at the same because of Nick. We need parts of his story to get their stories
Sorry to be a pest, but Urian is the third in the dragon books? How come? Isn't it all about the dragons/were's? He isn't one, and can't quite figure out why he would fall into that category (not complaining, excited about Urian's book, just a bit confused).I have to agree to some degree. I, too would love to see Thorn's, Savitar's and co's books, but to be honest, I love how she feeds us bits and pieces about them in the different books. It's pretty cool. Yes, I'd love to see some of the first characters a bit more often, but I liked what Nalini Singh said in her newest book - there are just too many characters to put them all into a story. SK's world has grown quite a bit. There are many links, and it must be hard for her to give each of them a voice. So while I would love to have them speak more often, I can also understand that that is not always possible. Besides, I have to say I'm a bigger sucker for all the little tid-bits she gives us and wouldn't want her to cut them out just to give us a glimps of "older" characters. I just hope she will write for many more years and that eventually we get all the stories we would love to read.
LOL, no worries, Nicole. You're not being a pest. =)Someone asked SK the same thing about Urian, on another Q&A page she set up, here:
https://wiselike.com/sherrilyn-kenyon
(You can create an account or sign in with FB to see posts.)
Here's her answer to that question:
" ... It will all make sense in the end, I promise. Just think back and remember some of the stuff about Stryker, early on . . . Think about it :D That's all I can say :D That, and I love ya!"
We know that Stryker is capable of turning into a dragon, so maybe Urian has the same ability? Also, it's possible that Urian's new mate will be a dragon.
And well said about the characters. =) I, too, love how SK reveals bits and pieces about the major character arcs throughout the books ... especially since she did say one time that trying to put all that information into one book per character, would be more jarring than a soap opera. =)
Thanks for the answer and the link Charlotte. Especially the link - I haven't come across that website yet and it's pretty cool, so thanks!OMG, I must have missed that one - can you remember which book that one was in (Stryker capable of turning into a dragon)?
:o)
No problem, Nicole. =)As for Stryker turning into a dragon, there are two books that I know of, where he did so: Kiss of the Night, and Acheron. =)
Nicole wrote: "Thanks for the answer and the link Charlotte. Especially the link - I haven't come across that website yet and it's pretty cool, so thanks!OMG, I must have missed that one - can you remember whic..."
Don't feel bad, Nicole, I forgot that too!
Does anybody ever wonder about poor Carl & Staff and how hard it must be to have their job of following our AG's brilliant & convoluted mind? If I ever had a job where my boss said, "No, I never told you because it happened off-scene" I'd probably fire myself! And simultaneously has all us SK kooks out there going, "Carl, please please please find this out for us!". All the while organizing a Dark Hunter parade at ComicCon... I'd just like the job of searching for the perfect profile pics :)
Make way for I need to rant!I am so incredibly annoyed by so many things in the DH series! The main one? "careful wording" vs. idiomatic speech
Half of every book is full of many, many characters constantly using figures of speech and the other half is those same characters carefully wording what they say. Like, I think I remember Cherise being described as (view spoiler) which was so sweet and then a few books later we're like Ooooooh. And that kind of thing is fun if done well but seriously the author does it so often it gets confusing.
Case in point, Ash is described as a Chthonian even though he's not. In fact, he's a god, which is completely different thing and actually the opposite of a Chthonian, who are meant to kill gods. And yeah, I know that was just a way of explaining the fact that he can kill gods too, but seriously, who needs that simplified? It's completely unnecessary. Just say he can kill gods. Stuff like this is why the author constantly needs to rehash previous events in each book to clarify things. Dragonmark, people!
And all of that idiomatic speech in mixed in with foreshadowing too which just makes the entire reading experience incredibly nerve-wracking. I can't count how many times I've read something about Nick's girlfriend (view spoiler). Anything anybody says could have a secret double meaning, but it could also mean absolutely nothing. Should I understand Simi's constant "I'm gonna eat that ol' heifer-goddess" as some sort of prediction? I JUST DON'T KNOW!
And, you know, I coud accept all the confusion if SK, and Carl and Staff didn't constantly say "that was explained in the books" every time we ask a question about something. Yeah it was explained but most of what you say contradicts itself. Like, how could Nick have ever had a future in which he had a dozen kids with Tia, if he can't have one son without dying? The only rule is one Malachai at a time, He could have had many children so long as none of them were the heir. Um, no, Sherry. Sorry but in Infamous, Ambrose says every kid who isn't the heir dies on its own by the age of ten. So what you say makes no sense.
I feel better now
Marie wrote: "Make way for I need to rant!I am so incredibly annoyed by so many things in the DH series! The main one? "careful wording" vs. idiomatic speech
Half of every book is full of many, many characte..."
I *think* the key with Nick getting a dozen kids is not every male child necessarily can get the powers. Look at how Nick has a half brother whose several *thousand* years old.
Or it could be Nick has 1 son and 11 daughters. Or another interpretation of the Tia kid thing: he might have 12 sons who are all under the age of 10. The child potential malachai doesn't start to gain power until around puberty I believe.
if Nick had 12 kids in 10 years, then Tia might have secretly been a goddess of childbirth as well. Either that or they had quintuplets twice or something. Either way, her breeding capabilities are downright supernatural :PMy theory with Nick's brother is that (view spoiler)
But whatever the explanation for the brother or multiple children is, the fact is I am super annoyed with the contradictory info.
Marie I feel that you're taking some distinctions or phrases and just taking all them into account more seriously than all of them are. Just saying, I don't mean to be rude by this.For example, when Ash said that he seen a future with Nick getting with Tiyana and them filling Nick's house with their 12 kids, it has been said that he seen that future when he first met Nick because he wasn't so close to him yet. That's how Ash's powers work, and he seen Nick and Tiyana having 12 kids because he at the time thought that Nick was human, so regardless he seen a "human" future for Nick.
In Infamous Ambrose says that:
"One of the beautiful things about us... Until we use our powers, we are invisible to almost all other gods and preternatural creatures. If they try to see our future, they see one that looks human, Kids, grandkids, the whole package. They have no way of knowing who and what we are until we evolve and flex our powers."
It has also been explained why Ash is referred to being a Cthonian when TECHNICALLY he isn't one as per 'Cthonians' real DH universe definition. (I'm pretty sure that Mrs. Kenyon answered several questions about that on the goodreads message board.) Ash isn't a 'real' Cthonian due to him not being born as a human to real human parents-his REAL mother is a goddess + whoever his father was/is. A Cthonian is born to a human family and then through some event they unlock/acquire their god killing powers.
Ash is referred to as one because as Savitar said: 'You stole his birthright Grom.' While in the womb with Styxx, Ash (because of his innate powers and god stuff) absorbed some of Styxx's Cthonian powers so as a result Ash 'stole' Styxx's birthright. Because of that that is why Styxx had those sucky leftover affects like his gigantic migraines, the gods taking notice of him, and other things.
I like your theory about Madoc and Menyara's plan! I have always thought that the 'poisoned blood filled with hate' had something to with the Malachai children's deaths. Cuz that just makes sense since their powerful blood and Monakribos's wrath has always been so strong.
Don't worry, you're not being rude. But see, my point is that I'm going to be reading something and at one point a character will use a metaphor in conversation, and then three books later what he says comes true or a hidden truth in his words will be revealed. And then I realise I have to go back over everything every character has ever said and as I do this, I see more proof of the author's careful choice of words. Which makes me doubt everything and I end up confused as to what the author meant to say, so I ask and the answer I get is "that was already explained in the books" even though we all know by then that she is confusing us on purpose through foreshadowing and omissions. See, I know all that stuff about Ash. But there's a reason the author ended up answering so many questions about it and that's because the clever little wordplay got confusing after a while. Which is why I am ranting now.
Marie wrote: "Don't worry, you're not being rude. But see, my point is that I'm going to be reading something and at one point a character will use a metaphor in conversation, and then three books later what he ..."Or how about all the "wordplay" about how old Nick (or other characters) is. The timeline would work much better if a character *thought* Nick was X years old instead of saying Nick is X years old.
Also, in the Ask the Author section, she said Nick's future with Tiyana was actually going to happen. I thought it was Malachai camouflage meant to hide what he was from those who could see into his future, but the author said that was real.
Myst wrote: ..."Yeah, and I understand that she writes in that character's POV and in real life people don't always know a person's exact age so they'll guess. But I feel like too much of the writing is about completely authentic perspective and that ends up costing a lot of clarity in storytelling. I mean, you'll have characters lying left and right, and sometimes they just don't know the truth so they tell whatever version of the truth they've been told and basically every word out of everyone's mouth is worthless because...
1. Are they actually speaking plainly or is the author injecting subtext (forshadowing/omissions) into that statement?
2. They only know what they know from their perspective and that hasn't been very reliable so far.
Most of the time after reading or re-reading one of the books, I end up mostly confused and annoyed.
Okay that makes more sense thanks for explaining :) Yeah I definitely agree that the whole authentic POV is awesome in that everyone has their flaws, motives, and lies, but at times she does take it too far. Like exactly with the whole 'Nick looks this age' to this character and it would just be SO much easier if the character could have guessed his age correctly rather than the author using human/nonhuman error in the mix.
Yeah and that's just with ONE character. Multiply that to the billions of characters we've been introduced to and they'll hear the sound of my head blow from miles away.
That's what we have Charlotte for (to use her brain to find/remember what/where)! My pet peeve is when we are introduced to a wonderful supporting cast, but then those characters I've gotten attached to never get their own book...and someone I don't know/don't remember does :(
Aww ... thanks Cindi. *blushes* =)So ... I've been meaning to post here, for quite some time. Hopefully, I can keep from rambling too much here. ;)
(And I might be making multiple posts.)
I can certainly understand the frustration you're experiencing, Marie. Do I think SK purposely misleads readers with her choice of words? Absolutely. It's incredibly easy to gloss over (very) subtle but pertinent information, especially if one is caught up in the emotion of the moment. A prime example of this, is the scene in Ash's book, where he is accused of rape and then subsequently gelded.
(On the flip side, however, it's also easy to sometimes read a little too much into some words, as I discovered when I was first trying to figure out Cam's identity.)
Interpreting signs of foreshadowing (or clues) can be tricky. Frankly, I have found that it's almost impossible to see these signs/clues until after the "big reveal" has happened ... unless there happen to be some honkin' big clues. Case in point, Cherise: (view spoiler)
Or consider Braith's identity. There were some pretty huge hints in Seize the Night, before the concept of the Primals (or even the Malachai) was introduced.
As for the flawed POV's ... yeah. Welcome to the life of policemen, judges and juries, mediators, and parents. ;)
So anyway, the point I want to make is this: if reading (or re-reading) a story is adding to the confusion, then the "clues" either need a little backup (in the form of other clues), or else they aren't really clues. And sometimes, the best thing to do is to just sit back and enjoy the story, flaws and all. ;)
Hope that makes sense. =)
It makes perfect sense :) I just needed to blow some steam about the issue because it's seems like it's something that we just never talk about since we all worship SK as an author goddess.
Come on guys :BWhose the couple you absaloutly hate?
I just reread No Mercy. I really want Ethon to get a story. Even just a novella. Who is the hero and heroine in Hex Life?
Katherine wrote: "I just reread No Mercy. I really want Ethon to get a story. Even just a novella. Who is the hero and heroine in Hex Life?"I read half of it from the preview pages and got what happened next from Bren.
It's not a love story.
Spoilers for Hex life:
(view spoiler)
(view spoiler)
Literally nothing happens.
I just read it last night. Literally nothing is right! What is happening to the series?
Well it was co-wrote with her son. Idk who did most of the writing or story idea. But come on, even I could write a better short story than that. That was just sad. And the whole thing was entirely too vague!!
I just hope that isn't Thorn's only story. He is one of the most interesting characters in the whole series.
I really think he'll get a whole book at some point.
Katherine wrote: "I just reread No Mercy. I really want Ethon to get a story. Even just a novella. Who is the hero and heroine in Hex Life?"I want Ethon to have a novella or short story. it would be a much-needed throwback to the DH days. (we could revisit Kyrian and old DHs and people who are still living that DH-life) and tie up some loose ends and questions. and I really wanted to know more about Chi and the other Dogs of War. She introduced them in No Mercy and they never returned :C
Agreed. I find her short stories to sometimes be more satisfying than a full length novel.
Random thought bubble:Are Urian and Xyn mates? Is she Arcadian or Katagari? I have so many questions!
Katherine wrote: "Random thought bubble:Are Urian and Xyn mates? Is she Arcadian or Katagari? I have so many questions!"
I've only read the parts of Stygian that I could preview and read online. so idk. I do this with every book except CoN. I only want the plot not the romance, so I just read everything like patchwork. :]
Falcyn considers Xyn his sister. but idk if her mother is Lilith or one of the Lilitu. or if Xyn's father is Noir.
do you know?
The dragons are a bit confusing. I need to reread in order.
Ren Waya
Cadegan and Josette
This random Seraphina chick...and Maxis wasn't really mentioned enough for me to want his story.
I mean are you kidding me?
Fury could have gotten a big story...instead he gets a novella! Fury!
Savitar
Remi
Thorn
Urian
But instead of getting their stories, I'm relegated to this:
Does anyone else feel the same way?