Kieran and Mark: Do you ship them?

[Sieran]

Yeah and I believe there is a moral/theme in the story that your species and upbringing don't determine who you become. They may influence you, but you have the free will to do something different from what others may think is your "fate" due to your species.

[Emily]

I hope it is.

[prag ♻]

Emily wrote: "Yes I agree with Serena. There is a reason that dynamic characters are far more interesting to read about than static- I want to see change. I want to see him get better. I think that it is sad tha..."

What you said about them being real people in the story really hit home. Most of the time, I disregard characters that come in the way of any couple I'm shipping, but they have their own story too. So even if Kieran and Mark aren't endgame, Kieran could learn the ways of humans, learn to properly love.

[Ashley]

i kinda do, yet i kinda dont. they are really cute together, though Mark is much better of a person than Kieran and i think he deserves better. yet i also think that Mark could make Kieran better. idkkk

[vasco da]

Kieran will forever be my OTP tbh.
I love Kieran. he has potential. I want him to grow like Alec did. Because, to be honest, we all hated him in COB. Now he's y fav character.

[Emily]

Agreed!!

[prag ♻]

Yes! Actually, I never loved Alec too much. Magnus, yes, but not Alec. That is, until, the TV show. His character is portrayed so perfectly by Matthew Daddario!? I can't even.

[Teebz]

Nope...its a relationship of the past

[Yvonne]

I find all of this too funny because everyone is arguing about how Mark/Cristina is better than Mark/Kieran and viceversa and I'm just sitting here trying to figure out how do I feel at all about this love triangle.

I mean, I love Kieran, yes. But I also love Cristina. They're both my children. Kieran did something terrible and I still can't entirely forget about it, but at the same time he loves Mark so hard it hurts me. I want him to be happy, I want him to have what he wants because it's very obvious that he's never had what he wants.

But then there's Cristina. Sweet, sweet Cristina who doesn't deserve all the hate everyone is throwing at her. Sweet Cristina who will help Mark getting Kieran safe in LoS, even after all the damage he's done, only because she knows Mark still loves Kieran and she loves him enough as to do everything she can to help him save his beloved one.

I don't understand how it seems that no one can see that. Everyone is acting like Cristina was some crazy girl that hates Kieran and will do everything to ruin his relationship with Mark so that he'll be hers and only hers, when it's actually all the way around.

She cares about Mark so much and she knows he cares so much about Kieran she practically pushes away any chance of getting with him after seeing them kissing.

That's why I can't decide between shipping Mark/Cristina or Mark/Kieran.

I'm really looking forward to see Kieran and Cristina interacting together in Lord of Shadows. I really hope Cassie doesn't make them hate each other like it happens in every other love triangle. I hope Cristina, in some way, can help Kieran a little with understanding Mark.

I want the three of them to be happy and I don't think it's even possible to make that happen so I'll just end heartbroken at the end of this series for sure, independently of who is the end game.

[Sieran]

Hey, I'm just curious. What if Kieran ends up with someone else--a guy who is just as awesome or even awesomer than Mark? (While Mark can be with Cristina or another person.) How would you feel about that? That way, no one would have to be alone, but Kieran still gets a great happy ending. This hypothetical guy for Kieran would be a character we haven't met in the series yet.

[Emily]

I would feel better about that, though, I'd rather hm with Mark. I have kind of let go of the idea though. It's pretty obvious it's gonna be Christina and Mark in the end.

[Varsha]

So, first things first, Kieran and Mark.
Yes, I do ship them.
1. THEIR NAMES OMG! This may sound stupid, but Kieran is such a nice name, and it fits the character so well. Also, the names Mark and Kieran go so well together, it's perfect.
2. THEY ARE SO ADORABLE TOGETHER. I love their relationship, I think it is lovely and perfect how they relied on each other during the Hunt, and how they fell in love. It was beautiful.
3. I hated, HATED how Kieran broke Mark's heart, and had them whipped. I think it was absolutely horrible, and Mark needs to not forgive him quickly about this. But they NEED to end up together at the end. I think Kieran will do some huge, grand move, like becoming a Shadowhunter or something like that, and Mark wil fall in love with him again.
4. I DESPISE Diego's and Cristina's relationship, and I HATE that mark and cristina could be together. First, Cristina doesn't need a man. 2, Mark needs to be with Kieran, and Diego was such a horrible person. HE waited one full YEAR to contact her again, after she ran away. They were "IN LOVE" why didn't he contact her sooner??
Anyway, this is kind of a jumbled mess of words, but my main points are- I ship Mark and Kieran, I hate Diego, and Cristina should be a strong woman who doesn't need a love interest.

[Emily]

As much as I agree with that, I think Cassandra is going to have her end up with someone, and we all know that isn't going to be Diego. So that leaves Mark. I mean, come on. It's so obvious that Diego ISN'T perfect, it's almost annoying. Actually, it is annoying. Like, the whole thing with Mark walking in on Cristina and Diego kissing..I was like...seriously. You're really gonna do this? We all know this is some ploy to create drama. Cristina sees Mark kissing Kieran, and that has gone amiss though Cristina doesn't know, and Mark sees Cristina kissing Diego, and we all know that will go amiss. It's that classic, stupid miscommunication thing. It's so cliche and I can not express how much I hate it. It just fuels my fire for wanting Kieran and Mark together.
I'm the kind of person that wants to be intrigued and surprised by a romance. Cristina/Mark is cliche and boring. Before Kieran was introduced, I read the haircut scene, and I was like great. This is what she has for Mark. I was so bored with it. Then Kieran came along and I was like oh wow yes! I can ship this! Then all of the sudden it falls apart. And it's sad. I then fell in love with Kieran as a character.
You see, I like the complicated, troubled characters. Like, Snape is my favorite character in Harry Potter. These characters have a hard past- Kieran came from a family that hated him. He doesn't know the love of a family, and that is why he was so quick to throw Julian under the bus. No, it doesn't make it okay. But Kieran loves Mark and doesn't even know Julian, so it makes sense. I just feel bad for Kieran because no one sees where he is coming from and Mark is being a total ass. Like, he helped you when you were in the hunt and all you can do is fall for some other girl when he is away! You hurt him! And now you're shunning him for things he does not even understand! Even when he wanted to help, he didn't want to see him. Like, really Mark? What the hell.
Anyways, yes, I totally ship them. I wish there were more people that did. It breaks my heart to see cliche romances like this all the time. But I'm sort of a pessimist, so, we'll see how this goes.

[Sieran]

" Like, he helped you when you were in the hunt and all you can do is fall for some other girl when he is away!" <---Exactly! Honestly, I have no idea what Mark was thinking!

I think Cristina is a nice girl, but I think Kieran is a lot more interesting. Consequently, Kieran X Mark sounds more exciting to me!

[Yvonne]

I'm not sure about Kieran ending up with someone else. I mean, it would make me happy if he is happy, but there's something about his person being Mark that drives me crazy. Mark is like, the only steady thing he's had in his life. Mark is the only thing that can make him look a little bit more human, because of how hard he makes him feel.

And I really don't think that Cristina having a love interest would mean she's not strong, you know? The great thing about Mark/Cristina is that Mark wants rely on her so desperately whenever he's not feeling well, which means that Mark would be the one needing her and no the other way around.

Anyway, I don't even think this whole "strong character" thing matters when having a love interest doesn't make a character any weaker. Kieran is vulnerable, you know, and he needs Mark. He needs him so hard. But that doesn't make Kieran weak or less strong, does it? He's still this stubborn, powerful Faerie Prince which will kill you if you mess with his beloved.

And, so far, we have only seen Cristina's gentle side. Cassie has already told us she has a lot darker side, when you mess with her loved ones or gain her mistrust. We haven't seen it yet, but Cristina's not perfect and we don't know if she might do something that will hurt Mark on the future.

I guess all is left is to wait for the books and see what happens. I'm too confused to take a side on any ship.

PD: Oh, and I don't think it's possible for a downworlder to become a shadowhunter. And shadowhunters right now hate faeries so much I don't think Kieran would be able to get close to them without getting punished or hurt.

[vasco da]

I'm totally not shipping Alec and Kieran.

Totally.

*nervous laughter*

[vasco da]

I felt myself hating Mark the more I thought about him. He's spent five years with kieran, and they took care of each other.
but, the one trope I had always hated came into play. mark is removed from his boyfriend for a few days, and suddenly he's flirting with this girl he hardly knows. He's dancing with her, and he can see that this hurts Kieran.
But, if Kieran acts offended, if he retaliates in any way, the fandom says he's a *gasp* TRAITOR.
Like, Mark's attention span is so short that he just forgets about Kieran, only thinking about him when he's there.
this keeps happening to characters and its terrible. looking at you, Aelin and Lena.
I just want Kierark to happen. It's my favorite ship in tdA, and Kieran is one of my all-time favorite characters, even if he's a sort of antihero.

[Emily]

I TOTALLY agree with you, Kimberly. I like what you pointed out about Mark...that's so true. Everyone ignores the fact that what he did was totally messed up. I hope they end up together in the end. Kieran is also my favorite Character! I love his depth

[Sieran]

Thank you, Kimberly, for saying that! Also, if we as humans already find this kind of romantic betrayal repulsive, faeries would find it absolutely monstrous, because they care even more deeply than human society does about romantic fidelity. So I think Kieran's anger is quite understandable. I don't think he should have let Julian and Emma be whipped, of course, but I can empathize with Kieran's fury towards Mark.

[prag ♻]

YESSSS. I never thought of it that way, but Kieran deserved to be hurt. Mark was flirting with Christina days after he got separated from Kieran, and that's just...wrong.

Kimberly wrote: "I felt myself hating Mark the more I thought about him. He's spent five years with kieran, and they took care of each other.
but, the one trope I had always hated came into play. mark is removed fr..."

[Tess]

I love kieran to death. by far my favorite character ever. it's not his fault he was raised in faerie. he has done a pretty good job of being decent considering he is a faerie. And he helped mark. They were both outcasts and they helped each other. I will cry for 5 hours every day for 2 months if they don't end up together

[Emily]

Same, Tess. Same.

[Grace]

no that's the simple answer not a long one no one wants to read so no Kieran broke Mark's trust and trust isn't something you fix with a sorry. (But if I did Ship them they would by Kark.)

[Emily]

Emily wrote: "Honestly the fact that I ship Mark and Kieran is the only possible thing that could motivate me to read Lord of Shadows. Anyway there are multiple reasons I ship them.
To start, because they are t..."
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. WHOLEHEARTEDLY. Cristina and Mark are just boring! It's way too cookie cutter. That Is why I was sooo excited when Kieran was introduced; it was something interesting. I didn't know that it would lead to so much heartache. I think that our chances for them being together are QUITE slim :(

[Bre]

I don't like Mark and Kieran together. I think their relationship is a ticking time bomb ready to explode at any moment. Kieran is so manipulative and practically burning with jealousy that he resorts to targeting Mark's family rather than hurting Mark himself. That's never okay. Never a healthy relationship. I mean, how could Kieran have thought Mark's punishment wouldn't be extreme? Iarlath is famous for his cruelty. Faeries aren't very merciful. You'd think he'd put two and two together and think how much he's about to hurt Mark before he acts. But he just goes into a blind rage and the result is Emma's and Julian's scarred backs. Besides, it's less of a loving relationship and more of an "I owe you for helping me" kind. Mark deserves better.

Mark deserves Christina, because I don't trust Diego right now!

Can't wait to read Lord of Shadows. I saw it at BAM recently but it was waaaay to expensive. I'll have to wait!

[Filomena]

I ship them. I feel like Kieran and mark changed, they grew, Kieran grew and changed, even though he did HORRIBLE things, he changed, even after finding out he was being played he did the thing infront of the clave. he woudn't have done that. He is trying to be a new person, one that is good for Mark. thats what counts. he is a new person. he is a good person. So is ship it. And Mark still loved him after that, if you can love someone after that then...True love. Not as true as Malec or Clace. Or wessa but True.

[A. K]

Ok, I don't completely hate Mark and Kieran. I mean I think it's really sweet how he kept Mark company during the hunt and I get how they both basically kept each other alive. I feel like Kieran deserves a chance to be happy just as much as Mark does but I also feel like Mark needs to move on and put the past behind him. Bad things have happened to them both but it won't help anyone to dwell on the past.

I personally can't stand Diego and Cristina. To me their just isn't something right about Diego and I feel like he's hiding something big behind his perfect smile. I might be biased but personally I ship Mark and Cristina more at the moment and I can't wait to see how their relationship develops. I hope that Kieran will get a happy ending as well.

[chinami]

i kinda ship markXkeiran, markXcristina and keiranXchristina simultaneously

[Tiffany]

Nah, I actually really hope Mark would be with Emma instead hahaha... I think they suited each other in so many aspects. For instance, they both are so adventurous a bit sassy!! But I guess I gotta bury my OTP coz that ain't gonna happen T.T

[sofia]

I ship Mark & Kieran primarily, but I'm opening up the idea of Mark x Kieran x Cristina. Also Kieran & Cristina are lowkey one of my crackships lmao 🤷🏽‍♀️

[Tessa]

I'm sorry Cristina is really nice and all but Mark x Kieran is just such an amazing ship