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The Spider's War (The Dagger and the Coin, #5)
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The Dagger and Coin > TSW: Section 2: 3rd Cithrin - 5th Marcus

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Lindsay | 546 comments Please keep all discussion to the events and speculation from this section. Please do not discuss events from later chapters. Referring back to events from a previous section/book is fine.

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This section covers the 3rd Cithrin chapter through to the 5th Marcus chapter. The first sentences of the section are:

Cithrin wasn’t there when Inys killed the guardsman. Her understanding of it grew first from the mixture of rumor and report, gossip and speculation that followed the unexpected violence the way thunder follows lightning.


Justine (justine_ao) Well I suppose that throwing down the gauntlet and then sneaking out the back door is one way to "win" a battle you are already beaten in. I thought that was interesting that Kit said he felt like he was falling victim to his own voice and so he had to stop talking about the goddess.

The one criticism I have of this book is that I do feel that it is not moving as smoothly or picking up speed in quite the same way the previous books did. I realize the story has to be tied up as it is the last book, but I want a bit more from it coming into the 50% mark. At least, that's what I've come to expect from the previous books. I still feel like the story is a bit adrift at this point, but that could just be me.


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Rob (robzak) | 6375 comments Mod
It's been awhile since I've done most of these books, so I'm a bit hard pressed to compare the pace. I will agree the pace has been a bit slow, but I'm not disappointed by it. In fact I'm fully sucked back in.

However, to your point about where the story is at the 50% mark, I do worry a bit that the ending could end up rushed if things don't start to pick up soon. I don't think the book is adrift though. It's just simply moving towards the ending a bit slower than may be necessary. I guess we'll have to see what the second half brings.

Geder continues to get worse. All the good is because of his doing and all the bad is someone else's fault. He continues to feel "sick" but can't figure out why. He's sick with self-delusion. It's interesting that he's starting to get annoyed at Aster. Will he cross that line before the end of the book?

Marcus and Clara has been an interesting pairing, although there has been a lot less of them together than I'd expect considering they are traveling together. I did like that idea about Kit falling victim to his own voice too.

The only strange thing is Cithrin leaving to kidnap Geder's father with the traveling actors, Yardem, and Bariaoth. It feels like since he put Clara with Marcus, he had no other cameras to use to tell this part of the story. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me for her to go herself. I'd rather her continue to pull the financial strings, but I guess we'll see where it goes.

Anyways, onward to the next section!


Justine (justine_ao) The part about Cithrin going off and dealing with Lehrer seemed okay to me because that's just her personality - wanting to get right into the thick of things especially if she felt there was no one else who could do the job. And there's no one left around she trusts and she won't want to be left behind.

I would have liked some dragon POV, just to get some idea of what he is thinking aside from general despair about what happened and disdain for the slaves.


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Rob (robzak) | 6375 comments Mod
Yeah, it does feel in character for her. I was thinking that too as I kept reading further. It just felt a bit strange at the time. Probably because it sounds like such a bad idea.

A dragon POV could be interesting. Oops I ate a guard...


Scott (thekeeblertree) | 1049 comments Rob wrote: "A dragon POV could be interesting. Oops I ate a guard... "

lol.


Suzanne | 1582 comments I'd love to see more of the dragon too - and I hope we at least get some kind of progress with his story.

My favorite lines of dialogue are Yardam - I really like him.

I also liked what Kit said about believing himself. That really COULD be a danger, and it shows his strong character.


Suzanne | 1582 comments Oh I also liked that Vicerian (in the interlude) really knows that something is wrong - that the learning, etc. that has happened without the spider priests is still important.


Geoff (geoffgreer) Suzanne wrote: "I also liked what Kit said about believing himself. That really COULD be a danger, and it shows his strong character"

I think its smart that everyone is a little weary Master Kit. Its nice to use his power but its that same power they oppose. Nice little conflict.


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