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I would love to read it as a group though and find out what other people think of it. :-)








I am currently reading The Secret History of Wonder Woman by Jill Lapore. May I recommend that book?!
thank you

It is also featured in the New York Public Library Books of the Century list.




I'm listening to this right now and so far it's very good. About the (until this publication) unexplored-by-foreigners practice of disguising girl children as boy children in gender-segregated Afghanistan. Sometimes the boys are 'reverted' back to girls on puberty, and sometimes not. Themes include westernization, religious conservatism, feminism, war, women's rights, the academic study of closed societies, and gender identity.


Really funny, I just came to the thread thinking about recommending this book. (In general I am quite excited to be finally able to participate in this wonderful bookclub, for it was not possible for me during the last month.)
Some other books I'd like to recommend:
fiction:
Nervous Conditions
The Joys of Motherhood
The Secret Lives of the Four Wives
Butterfly Burning
Kissing the Witch: Old Tales in New Skins
poetry:
Coal
And Still I Rise
This Assignment Is So Gay: Lgbtiq Poets on the Art of Teaching
Head Off & Split
non-fiction:
Colonize This!: Young Women of Color on Today's Feminism
The Girls Who Went Away: The Hidden History of Women Who Surrendered Children for Adoption in the Decades Before Roe v. Wade
Making Space for Indigenous Feminism
I Killed Scheherazade: Confessions of an Angry Arab Woman
The Story of Jane: The Legendary Underground Feminist Abortion Service
Nobody Passes: Rejecting the Rules of Gender and Conformity
Hot & Heavy: Fierce Fat Girls on Life, Love & Fashion
Without a Net: The Female Experience of Growing Up Working Class
You Feel So Mortal: Essays on the Body
Indigenous Women and Feminism: Politics, Activism, Culture
Playing the Whore: The Work of Sex Work
To Live Freely in This World: Sex Worker Activism in Africa
May be I went a little bit overboard :D



Jenny: And on the topic of podcasts, I just heard Lindy West read an excerpt from Shrill on the latest episode of a podcast called 2 Dope Queens! It was pretty funny though, bizarrely, I think I would prefer to read it myself than listen to her read it which is unusual for comedian memoirs. It felt a little more private--like looking into another introvert's head--than other comedy memoirs I've read. :)

I totally get that. And I'm still mulling over whether I'd call it a comedy memoir. Sometimes publishers call books that when they actually mean "this is going to make you uncomfortable, so you might as well laugh at it." :)




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It's quite dense and academic and hard to read because it makes me so angry with the world, but god she is the best. It's opened my eyes and they cannot be shut now!
Highly highly recommend for a bit more in depth analysis of sexualization of women and the effects of porn on men and women (ie. how men treat women or their partners because of what they've seen. How women are expected to "fake it," how it can lead women to uncomfortable abusive situations, not demanding their own pleasure etc etc - and this was written over 35 years ago and since then porn has only become more and more graphic and abusive.)
Also Delusions of Gender: How Our Minds, Society, and Neurosexism Create Difference is looking very tempting. I think it would be a very interesting look into gender and sex.
I think having a bit more meaty, analytical books would be good to diversify the reading lists :)

Rape: A South African Nightmare


this book changed my life so I try to support it as much as I can
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"Thirty-four-year-old Morgan is a dreamer, change maker and art lover. She is a feisty, slightly preachy, romantic feminist full of contradictions and insecurities. Morgan uncovers a world where women have the power, and where magic is no longer just a figment of her wild imagination. Sounds like a dream, but it may, in fact, turn into a nightmare.
The world of the Ahe'ey challenges and subverts her views about gender, genes, and nature versus nurture.
The strong and uninvited chemistry between her and the dashing Gabriel makes matters even more complicated. His stunning looks keep short-circuiting her rational mind."
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I don't quite understand how Jamie makes it work, but Feminism, Romance and Fantasy just work perfectly in this fabulous world. I'm totally in love with my name sake Gabriel.
Gabe

I LOVE Bitch Planet! I also wasn't into Sex Criminals. I tried so hard to see what everyone else seemed to be seeing, but... I just didn't.

Yeeeeaaah same. Sex Criminals felt really inauthentic and just generally off the mark for me in just about every way... But it would seem we are in the minority of people who feel that way :') hahah

Yeeeeaaah same. Sex Criminals felt really..."
I am so pleased to hear more people say this. I agree on both counts! Loved Bitched planet, gave up half way through Sex Criminals..


Some backstory on why I want to read about it: a lot of men in my life tell me they're "all for equality" but they can't call themselves "feminists" because they "hate the word" which is incredibly frustrating and I just don't have the tools to really address this particular issue and it's been driving me crazy.
Thank you!

A book tackling this from an academic perspective is What Is Feminism?: An Introduction to Feminist Theory by Chris Beasley. Looking at different iterations of feminism over time, it's a good book that references important figures in feminism, the difficulty of defining feminism, and key issues that different 'waves' of feminists centered in their political actions. Part history book, part feminist theory primer. If I'm remembering correctly, I do think that the origins of the term are discussed. One main thrust of this book comes to is that a discussion of 'feminism' as a whole would probably be better called a discussion of 'feminisms' - in the plural - since there are so many different movements and positions this word is applied to. It'd give you a good grounding in the knowledge you're after, but would probably be too dry to recommend to the men in your life giving you grief.

Thank you so much for the suggestion, Ket! I'll be sure to check it out soon.

One tactic that can work in getting people to see the errors of their ways sometimes is to keep asking “why” in a neutral or puzzled voice (thank you for the tip, CaptainAwkward.com —bet you if you search that site there’s advice on your very question, now that I think of it!). For example:
I won’t use the word feminist because I hate that word.
Why do you hate it, it’s a word?
It means women are better than men.
That isn’t what it means. Why do you think that’s what it means?
Because I’ve been told that’s what it means.
Why do you think someone told you that?
Etc


Also, This is what happens, by chris wind. A sort of fictionalized memoir that traces the life of one woman to explore what happens ... why aren't there more famous women whatevers out there ...
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It's a non fiction book that details the suprisingly feminist origins of Wonder Woman.