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message 1: by Rachael (new)

Rachael Eyre (rachaeleyre) | 194 comments I've just received a one star review for my new book. The main complaint was the formatting, which I've fixed, but they mentioned something I'm now very curious about. They said that I'd effectively dumped the reader in a foreign world without background on history, culture etc, and they thought this made the book difficult to follow.

Perhaps this is me being a comparative newbie to sci fi, but I always thought providing lots of information about the world (especially in the first few chapters) was bad writing. The sci fi I'm most familiar with - Orwell, Atwood and Huxley - either reveal the background gradually or don't mention it at all, expecting you to keep up.

I'd understand if the world being described was wholly alien, with cat people and strange languages, but my culture differs only in two main respects - they're far more technologically advanced and they're a religious matriarchy.

What do people think? Do they have to know how a society was shaped or do they just get on with the story?


message 2: by Safa (new)

Safa Shaqsy (safashaqsy) | 54 comments I'm working on a scifi as well. I didn't dump the whole thing in the first chapter because I thought the reader will be loaded.
perhaps you can write few glimpses about the society you built and I think it's enough.
I'm not sure if my way is correct because I'm a newbie as well. good luck :)


message 3: by Joe (new)

Joe Jackson (shoelessauthor) Just bear in mind, it's one review, one person's opinion. Not a statement of dogmatic fact. Some people want all the details, some don't. Is it the only review you have so far?


message 4: by J. Daniel, Lurking since 2015 (new)

J. Daniel Layfield (jdaniellayfield) | 94 comments Mod
I think you're doing yourself a great disservice if you allow a single review to question your writing choices. Dropping the reader in the middle of things is a stylistic choice, as is opening with an info-dump. Neither is right or wrong, and you'll find fans of both approaches. Personally, I don't mind being thrown into the middle of things. Then again, an info-dump done well can be a beautiful thing as well. Just write the book you'd like to read and you'll find fans.


message 5: by [deleted user] (new)

Try explaining the concepts in a subtle way.Giving the reader an idea of whatever it is but not giving away too much.Otherwise just keep rolling,maybe other people will like the way you write.


message 6: by Christina (new)

Christina McMullen (cmcmullen) I have nothing to add except to listen to Joe and J. Daniel. Book reviews are opinions. They reflect the reader's likes and dislikes only. Your best bet would be to move on and continue to write in a way that you wish to write. You can't please everyone, so why worry?


message 7: by S.J. (new)

S.J. Higgins | 173 comments I've had reviews where readers have complained about me being too descriptive and others saying I don't describe enough. (This for the same book.) It all boils down to personal preference, you will never be able to please everybody so as long as you are happy with your story I say you shouldn't worry too much what people think.
I know it's easier said than done though :)


message 8: by Alp (new)

Alp Mortal Just enough is plenty

fire my imagination; don't drown it

Alp


message 9: by Micah (last edited Feb 01, 2016 12:41PM) (new)

Micah Sisk (micahrsisk) | 1042 comments The right amount of information is like the right amount of flour in a cake: you need to add only enough to make it work.

Depends on the book, the author ... and the reader.

I saw a reviewer give a 1-star rating after only reading 40 pages of a really fascinating book because the author didn't tell us more than the characters knew, and only gave us detailed information when the characters were thinking about it, or discussing it with others.

I.e., the reader couldn't be bothered to let the story and information unfold as the author intended. They demanded all the info right now, despite the fact that the author had chosen a very narrow narrative POV for a reason.

So temper how much you read into bad reviews (and good ones for that matter). No book works for every reader. But if you start seeing half or more of your reviews complaining about it, then you can start wondering if you need to adjust.


message 10: by Wisteria (new)

Wisteria Kitsune (wisteriakitsune) Agree w/no info dumps; don't even bother w/a prologue. A blurb should be good enough. In this way the mystery and newness of your universe can be revealed slowly through the actions, thoughts and observations of your characters.


message 11: by Pam (new)

Pam Baddeley | 153 comments Generally speaking info dumps are a big no no. Most people find them boring and lose interest. Better to involve the reader with the character's emotions, problems etc and work the necessary setting/background info in gradually as the story unfolds, so I would say don't worry about this review.


message 12: by Owen (last edited Feb 01, 2016 04:28PM) (new)

Owen O'Neill (owen_r_oneill) | 1509 comments I read that review, and your book wasn't what that person was looking for. The review has no relevance beyond that person's personal opinion.

In my view, the right amount of info is the amount you, as the author, want to include. There are no rules, there is only what you want to write. For example, I love "info dumps" and we include them lavishly. We always have a prologue and (so far) an epilogue. We bring up things that won't be relevant for two or even three books in the future. We leave loose ends and we sometimes let a book end without a real conclusion.

Some people really dislike this. Some people love it. That's fine. We are writing for the us [first] and the latter group [second].

Our feeling about reviews is this: positive reviews are a nice -- we like to know we made someone happy, that's why we write: to make someone happy (not everyone, not even most people). Negative reviews are "never mind", although they can be funny. But in terms of feedback on your writing, your story, or your stylistic choices, both positive and negative reviews are meaningless.

It was [as recall] Dwayne who said it best in another thread here: reviews are not for the author. They are for other readers, to indicate a purely subjective opinion that might be of use to people whose tastes align with the reviewer's. That's all. They have no bearing on what you should do or what decisions you should make.


message 13: by Dwayne, Head of Lettuce (new)

Dwayne Fry | 4443 comments Mod
Seems you've already gotten the best advice you can get. Don't let one negative review throw you off. It's not fair to you or your work or the people who do like what you're doing to let one bad review change your game. I don't read a lot of sci fi, but if I did, I would prefer being slowly let into the world, like Orwell (as you mentioned) did. I have been a fan of several sci-fi shows over the years. I cannot imagine what The Twilight Zone would be like if Rod Serling were to explain everything we're about to see before we see it. Like the one with the old lady chasing the tiny men around her cabin? How dumb would that be if they explained at the beginning that she was a giant and the tiny men were humans from our world.


message 14: by Dwayne, Head of Lettuce (new)

Dwayne Fry | 4443 comments Mod
Owen wrote: "It was [as recall] Dwayne who said it best in another thread here: reviews are not for the author. They are for other readers, to indicate a purely subjective opinion that might be of use to people whose tastes align with the reviewer's. That's all. They have no bearing on what you should do or what decisions you should make. "

I have said that, yes. I'm pretty sure others here have, too. I'll add, too, that sometimes a negative review might attract readers. The review you, Rachael, mentioned might actually work to attract readers who are looking for more story and less background and history.


message 15: by [deleted user] (new)

I read a quote recently that went like this: 'Nobody ever built a statue to a critic.' If 3/4 of the people like the way you did it, don't worry about it. Make what you do as professional as possible, and learn to get better every day, but if the criticism is not valid, don't let them get inside your head.


message 16: by Jamie (new)

Jamie Campbell | 49 comments Morris wrote: "I read a quote recently that went like this: 'Nobody ever built a statue to a critic.' If 3/4 of the people like the way you did it, don't worry about it. Make what you do as professional as possib..."

Boom! Like that. That's the response! Well said.

Personally I went through the five stages of grief with my first dog review. Now I agree with the above. It's much easier.


message 17: by Sherri (new)

Sherri Moorer (sherrithewriter) | 0 comments Once upon a time, an extensive description of the setting was necessary to bring readers into the world of your book. No so anymore, with travel being so much easier and so many resources to help us see the world right from home (TV and Internet). Those days of long-winded descriptions are long over, and readers can/should be able to visualize much better now. Don't let one bad review get you down. You can't make them all happy - and most likely, it could have been a review from somebody either new or not extremely familiar with how current scifi is written.


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