47 Eddard XIII- Discuss only this chapter and anything prior

[Not_Your_Typical_Lannister (Leslie), Not_Your_Typical_Lannister]

47 Eddard XIII- Discuss only this chapter and anything prior

[Ria]

They keep saying "The king is without" or "Ned left him without." Without what? I don't understand this use of the word.

[Not_Your_Typical_Lannister (Leslie), Not_Your_Typical_Lannister]

Ria wrote: "They keep saying "The king is without" or "Ned left him without." Without what? I don't understand this use of the word."

I have not noticed this and tried to skim to find it with no luck. Where should I be looking?

[Not_Your_Typical_Lannister (Leslie), Not_Your_Typical_Lannister]

When Ned was writing the will for King B he did not tell him those 3 kids are not his. Should he have spoke up and been honest?


I think he did the right thing personally. Why ruin a dying man's last moments? I mean everyone will likely suffer because of it in the end. Joffrey is an awful person but Ned and Robert used to be close. I understand his decision.

[Ria]

One example would be "Ned left the man waiting without." This is the 4th sentence from the 5th paragraph of this chapter. In my edition that's page 484. I have a distant memory that it was also used when Ned broke his leg and Cersei and Robert visited him, but I can't tell you the exact sentence.

I agree with you completely. Robert was almost dead, even if Ned had told him, what difference would it have made? Apart from hurting him, that is. Also, when Ned changed the word "son" with "heir" in Robert's will and later promised to take care of his "children" (the king meaning Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella and Eddard thinking of his bastards), I grinned and thought "Ned, you slick bastard!"

[Not_Your_Typical_Lannister (Leslie), Not_Your_Typical_Lannister]

The quote is on page 502 - the first sentence of the page. This is my version :

I have no freakin' clue Ria! But now I need to know too. lol
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And you are brilliant with your comment: "Also, when Ned changed the word "son" with "heir" in Robert's will and later promised to take care of his "children" (the king meaning Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella and Eddard thinking of his bastards), I grinned and thought "Ned, you slick bastard!"

That one flew right over my head. Ned worded that very well I now see. Thanks for opening my closed eyes.

[Ria]

Hahah, you are most welcome!

I was thinking of asking my English teacher, but she's offline and I don't want to bother her, so I just posted in my CAE fb group, hoping she'll see it there and answer in her own time. Or maybe (though doubtfully) someone else will know. Anyway, if I find out, you'll be the first to know.
PS. This is my edition: A Game of Thrones

[Ria]

So apparently "without" is just a fancy word to say "outside". It's most likely archaic, like "for the nonce" and "on the morrow".

[Not_Your_Typical_Lannister (Leslie), Not_Your_Typical_Lannister]

Ria wrote: "So apparently "without" is just a fancy word to say "outside". It's most likely archaic, like "for the nonce" and "on the morrow"."

Oh well that makes sense. Thanks.

[Brianna]

thoughts while reading:
Since the Starks were called the Kings of Winter (probably way back when) and winter is coming... maybe a Stark will become king! lol
Robert really used to be a warrior. I don't think he was ever suited to be king. As someone said awhile back (don't remember who) Robert belonged out fighting not on a throne.
I wonder why Renly wants Ned to take Joffrey that night and if Cercei is able to prepare it'll be too late for him as well. What does he know/think is going to happen?

[Brianna]

Ned is definitely sneaky in this chapter with changing the words in the will. He still held to his honor so he probably feels less guilty about doing it.

[Ria]

Brianna wrote: "Robert really used to be a warrior. I don't think he was ever suited to be king. As someone said awhile back (don't remember who) Robert belonged out fighting not on a throne."
I'm pretty sure it was Robert himself :D

[Brianna]

That makes sense. lol I bet he's somewhat regretting that decision to be king right about now. Instead of being able to die in peace from an honorable wound (versus old age or poison or something) he has to deal with the politics of passing on his crown.