The 2015 New Years Eve Attacks in #Cologne (#Köln)

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Locovilly wrote: "I think most of people will not answer this question to not look like coward. But do you think its better to have them all here and allow them doing that here? The fact that they are here now doesn..."

The solution should not be to send them back to hurt other people. If we work on integrating and educating people who do not practise gender equality, it can lead to an indirect improvement in the other countries. Sending them back in these unstable times, would lead to even more problems for the victims.

I think if the asylum process would be faster and the German legal system would be improved, they would be punished before the law and they would be able to be integrated more easily into the culture, as they will know how secure their future is. Thus those who commit these crimes can be punished legally and other refugees can be educated in the different discrimination issues, including e.g. LGBTQIA* discrimination and classism.

[Locovilly]

Anja wrote: "Locovilly wrote: "I think most of people will not answer this question to not look like coward. But do you think its better to have them all here and allow them doing that here? The fact that they ..."
I agree with faster integration process, but i completely disagree with "let's not tell people refugees commit crimes" If any of them commit the crime they must be sent back and not get asylum. Would you feel safe if person who sexually harassed you would just be sent to integration course?

[Ines]

Anja. I did not ask for a personal story and I find your comments very immature, stubborn, and defensive.
It does not matter what motivates bad behavior, completely irrelevant for the conversation. And you did not address any of my points.... Again. Sigh.

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I didn't say that we shouldn't tell people that refugees commit crimes. However, in the media most of the time the ethnicity is only stated if it is non-white. Why is it possible that for white people, we describe an individual but non-white people are seen as representatives of their race? In every single group (e.g. ethnicity, religious, LGBTQIA*, poor and rich people) there will always be people commiting crimes - I assume that people know this. However, it's only the characteristic is usually only mentioned if it is not the priviledged characteristic.

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Ines wrote: "Anja. I did not ask for a personal story and I find your comments very immature, stubborn, and defensive.
It does not matter what motivates bad behavior, completely irrelevant for the conversation. And you did not address any of my points.... Again. Sigh."

Please don't insult me. I'm confused with which points you want to have addressed. I am of the opinion that I did address some of your points. Why don't you list them so that I know what you want answered.

I think it does matter why people have bad behaviour as if we know what the reason is, it is easier to find solutions that we could implement.

[Ines]

Anja wrote: "Ines wrote: "Anja. I did not ask for a personal story and I find your comments very immature, stubborn, and defensive.
It does not matter what motivates bad behavior, completely irrelevant for the..."
No, I should have stopped when I originally said I would. This is now pointless. You pulled the race card in one of your last comments. And generalized to all people. There is no turning back after that point to have a fruitful conversation. You do what you need to do, I will engage in conversations and actions that I feel will make a difference and really help people that need help.

[Locovilly]

I see a lot of articles about white committing crimes in Germany, but we do not mention them as whites not because they are privileged, but because majority of German people are white, there is no sense mentioning it.

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Ines wrote: "Anja wrote: "Ines wrote: "Anja. I did not ask for a personal story and I find your comments very immature, stubborn, and defensive.
It does not matter what motivates bad behavior, completely irrel..."

If that's your wish, I respect your decision. However, why is it considered a race card that I state how the media reacts (it's my opinion) but to generalise that male refugees commit sexual crimes is okay?

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Locovilly wrote: "I see a lot of articles about white committing crimes in Germany, but we do not mention them as whites not because they are privileged, but because majority of German people are white, there is no ..."

Why is it necessary to mention the skin colour/ethnicity/etc. of a person then if they are non-white? Shouldn't it just state that they are German? Why is it necessary to distinguish?

Maybe one solution to the problem of refugees not knowing the correct ways of interacting with different genders:
It is possible to volunteer at refugee centers and teach German to refugees (there are also organisations that target women). Through teaching German, one can indirectly educate them about the rights that people have in Germany.

[Locovilly]

Anja wrote: "Locovilly wrote: "I see a lot of articles about white committing crimes in Germany, but we do not mention them as whites not because they are privileged, but because majority of German people are w..."
I'm not going to discuss race things, we started from rapes and now we are here. I believe it is good to know Who committed crime, and if media says that some african/arab/syrian person committed crime then it was supposed to be told. No one is trying to make them all look bad, but we don't need to make them look better than they really are as well.

About volunteering in refugee camp: i wish you luck with that, but i guess your opinion on them will be changed in a week after volunteering. I have one refugee camp right in 500 m from where i live. That's enough for me to see what they want and what they can do to us.

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Locovilly wrote: "About volunteering in refugee camp: i wish you luck with that, but i guess your opinion on them will be changed in a week after volunteering. I have one refugee camp right in 500 m from where i live. That's enough for me to see what they want and what they can do to us. "

I have been volunteering for more than a week and my opinion has not changed.

I think that racism is crucial to feminism because not everyone woman suffers inequality at the same level. Some are discriminated for their race as well as their gender (this can be widened to include other issues).

[Aglaea]

Anja wrote: "I want to ask those who would be interested in answering something. Do you think it is fair to send rapists as well as other sexual offenders back to other people whom they could victimise thus lea..."

If one of the first things they do, when arriving in a new country that welcomed them with open arms, is to sexually harrass local women, then hell yes. Their existence is paid for by the community, and sexual harrassment is how they repay the favour. Yes, by all means, do send such scum back. They clearly do not value the gift given to them. I was taught to blend in as best I can when in a new culture, but obviously nobody taught them the same useful lesson.

This has nothing to do with harrassment that local people commit against other locals, as the scenario is completely different, stemming in another set of problems, so I refuse to discuss that situation in this thread.

In this case, we have people arriving in a new country that isn't at war, and what the scumbags have on mind is take take take. No matter what is explained about local culture, these select few men have crossed so many boundaries that I, who usually want to help anyone and everyone, would immediately send the lot back where they came from. They seem to lack humility, and have not read their religious manual either. Islam teaches men to value women.