Four Question

[Shaye]

After seeing the movie, I was reminded that Four was not under the influence of the simulation drug because he was DIVERGENT. How was he able to be awake if he wasn't truly DIVERGENT as stated in ALLEGIANT??

[Monique]

Shaye wrote: "After seeing the movie, I was reminded that Four was not under the influence of the simulation drug because he was DIVERGENT. How was he able to be awake if he wasn't truly DIVERGENT as stated in ..."

lol! It's because Veronica Roth probably forgot about that. Or maybe it's because he's HALF-Divergent. Remember they said something like his genes were half-cured, but not fully cured. Maybe you just need half-cured genes to stay awake during simulations. I, for one, don't get how that is scientifically possible, but maybe someone else can explain it.

[Kamiko]

Four just has a strong will. To fight the simulation, you have to be strong willed. Four was really close to being Divergent, though.

[Lonneke]

Four isn't Divergent so he has "bad" genes, but he does have the right genes to stay awake during the simulations. He has bad genes with a irregularity it says in the book. It seems like he's divergent, but he's not.

[Kamiko]

He might have children(I hope not) that are Divergent, since he's so close to being to Divergent.

[Lara]

He can still withstand simulations, that was the whole point has the symptoms of a Divergent without being one.

[Lauren]

Veronica was talking out of her ass with 80% of the "explanations" provided in Allegiant. I wouldn't trouble myself to try to figure any of it out or connect any dots or whatnot. You'll just destroy your brain cells for no good reason.

[Kristen]

They said he wasn't technically Divergent, but that he did exhibit certain Divergent characteristics.
It's a weak idea to begin with, but it makes sense otherwise. At least that part does.

[Ilana]

yea - i think that it was his semi cured genes and strong will. think about it - it was a HUGE deal to learn that he wasn't technically divergent at the end of the series, since he was showing all the 'symptoms' throughout.

[Shaye]

Tobias not being divergent was a bigger let down for me than Tris' death. Allegiant really sucked.

[Kamiko]

I really didn't care, so what? It's not fair to say that someone has "damaged" genes.

[Madolyn]

Tobias is not Divergent, but in the third book, I believe, it states he is resistant to simulations.

[judy]

Okay so Tobias had genes that were strong enough to resist the serums. but "outside the fence" they hav advanced technology that tracks everything like even for a tiny bit of damaged genes. So Tobias is half GD half GP.

[Lindsay]

In the third book, it mentioned briefly that although being able to resist a simulation is a common sign of Divergence, it doesn't necessarily mean that person is genetically pure. Tobias was able to resist the simulations, leaving the people that lived in the experiment to believe that he was Divergent, but apparently he really wasn't and was still genetically damaged. I did have a question though. It was my understanding that if someone was "genetically damaged", this meant that they were prone to have one main trait about them. When Tobias took his aptitude test when he was 16, his results were Abnegation. If he wasn't really Divergent, wouldn't he have been a little more selfless through out the book? To me, he didn't really seem at all like someone who, biologically, cannot be anything other than selfless. Just a thought, but this made me wonder at the end.

[Emily]

Lindsay wrote: "In the third book, it mentioned briefly that although being able to resist a simulation is a common sign of Divergence, it doesn't necessarily mean that person is genetically pure. Tobias was able..."

Tobias' test results weren't genuinely Abnegation though. He got that result because Marcus coached him through the test. Marcus told him exactly what was going to be in the test and how he had to respond to get Abnegation as a result. He talks about that in The Transfer. So we don't really know what Tobias' result would have been if he had responded to the test on his own and not under Marcus' influence.

But, personally, I think all the GD vs. GP stuff is bull shit and socially constructed. I don't think GDs necessarily only exhibit one trait. Whatever Tobias' test results actually would have been, he's definitely a way more complex character than that.

As far as the Divergent thing goes though, I don't think it comes completely from left field. Even way back in the first book, Jeanine was able to come up with a serum that could control him. I'd be willing to bet it would have been ineffective on Tris or another true blue Divergent. So that foreshadows what happens in Allegiant right from the beginning of the series.

[Shaye]

He was initially under the influence of the serum but he was able to come out of the simulation. When Tris is fighting him in the book, he recognizes her and wakes up. Only divergent can do that. And the serum working isn't an indication that he wasn't divergent. The serums worked on Tris for the training but she was able to manipulate them and wake her self out of them. Just like he did at the end. Also, he may have let himself be put under because he thought Tris was dead.