The Fellowship of the Ring
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Am I the only one who hates this book?
Anamika wrote: "Alright.I will give the links.https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
And I'm planning to make a few more in October.
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OP in first link (April 15, 2014, 9:34 p.m.): Anne is talkative,I agree.In my opinion it was entertaining. Anyone annoyed with her talking?If yes,why?
Still asking about disliking, although posed with a kinda/sorta disclaimer.
And your posts are scarce on any reasons behind your nebulous approval ("There's no denial that this [To Kill a Mockingbird] is a great book") and your seemingly arbitrary hatred.
Do you simply swing wildly back and forth between following the generally accepted tenets of acclaimed literature and flaming the same to get a reaction?
Do you have any opinions of your own and can you back them up with anything with a semblance of independent thought put into them?
But I guess that's not considered necessary on a phishing expedition. All that's needed is bait and hooks.
You know that didn't make much sense the way you wrote it, right? I assume you meant to do that as another avoidance tactic. General bullshit.I guess the next trick is going to be "English isn't my first language," which doesn't work because you express yourself well enough when you WANT to be understood.
Then you have no excuse, do you?
You say you are an English speaker, therefore it shouldn't have to be explained, but: excuse
verb
attempt to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offense); seek to defend or justify.
release (someone) from a duty or requirement.
noun
a reason or explanation put forward to defend or justify a fault or offense.
a poor or inadequate example of.
Ergo, an excuse for the idiotic and condescending non-answers.
An excuse is something you use to get yourself out of something.
Well, I've said my piece on why I like The Lord of the Rings earlier in the thread, so I won't belabor that.
Given even slight difference of opinion, it is common to assume malice when posting in the anonymous internet environment. I would hope that a site of this nature (specifically: one where book lovers attempt to communicate and help each other find suitable books) might be above the kind of petty bickering that often goes on (on the internet), but I'll take what comes.
That having been said Anamika, you've specifically chosen to use the words "worship" (in your first title to the thread) and "hate" (in the current title). These two words carry a heavy emotional weight. In the context of a discussion about a book as important as The Lord of the Rings they are divisive. They are words that offer no ambiguity. They inspire contentious discussion, as we have seen in the thread.
Is it your intention to be contentious and divisive?
Some people like that sort of thing, hence the internet term: Trolls.
I'm personally willing to give you the benefit of a doubt, but I might suggest choosing an approach to the discussion that was a bit more diplomatic, and perhaps avoiding the use of the word "hate". It really all depends on the results you were hoping to achieve.
Am I the only one here getting the feeling that Anamika is probably a very young person? Every time I look at this thread, I feel like you guys are ganging up on a child.
Some of us have already pondered that and discarded it, Nathan. She's a history of this sort of thread phishing.Someone younger would have — even in an outburst — disclosed something about the whys and wherefores of their hatred.
This one very carefully doesn't.
I wouldn't worry about why you don't like it, Anamika, you just don't and that's okay. I didn't like the movie Avatar, but it was a huge hit. People can try and convince you that it's a great book, but you have to actually enjoy it. I was riveted by LOTR, but I can't imagine that everyone would be. I defy anyone to find one book that everyone loves!
Renee wrote: "Someone younger would have — even in an outburst — disclosed something about the whys and wherefores of their hatred.This one very carefully doesn't."
It also very carefully avoids disclosing its *motives* for its so-called "Research". For that matter it very carefully avoids engaging on *anything*. And... *this*, what Nathan and Renee are mulling over, is the interesting part: it *appears* to present the mentality of a child, but when pressed, it becomes apparent that it's quite clever enough to systematically exploit the thread - *Exactly* what you'd expect from an ALIEN SPACE FUNGUS on a PRE-INVASION INTELLIGENCE GATHERING MISSION!!!
Nathan wrote: "Am I the only one here getting the feeling that Anamika is probably a very young person? Every time I look at this thread, I feel like you guys are ganging up on a child."She's either a very young child, or someone who thinks she's clever and imitates one.... Anamika is Hindu for 'nameless'; which makes me think Chris is right, and she's a TROLL :-).
If she is an alien, well, I can only hope her species isn't into abducting humans and exacting revenge on them.
Oh shucks, thanks .... wish I could say the same :-)
Anamika wrote: "I did not ask for the meaning of excuse. I didn't why I should find one."What do you mean excuse? (Post #291)
Oh, really?
So that was a try at another bit of chicanery? A not-all-that-clever avoidance tactic?
Yes, it is. You repeatedly post non-answers and vagaries that have no meaning or purpose, other than to try to get yourself off the hook from giving real answers to real questions. I'm calling bullshit.
BTW, ever figure out what an amanita is?
GAAH!! NOOOO!!!!Don't reveal the secret code! The Space Fungus might uncover the Agent Black Strike Force program!!!
Renee wrote: "BTW, ever figure out what an amanita is? "Yip, yip, yip: :D
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...
Scott wrote: "I actually think The Fellowship of the Ring is the best of the series. There's something about the way it takes its time in the peaceful areas that I really appreciate. Anyone can do the huge battl..."This would be the gentleness of Old Man Willow or the Nazgul King stabbing Frodo?
I suspect we might have different definitions of gentle.
Not only did I ask legitimate questions, others have as well and you've not answered any of them, even after they've been collated into one post. Irrational redirection and projection aren't going to work. I deal with that kind of asshattery every day.
Cut the crap.
I thought perhaps that might be plainly worded enough for your powers of comprehension.Just keep on avoiding answering legitimate questions with your puerile variations of "so there," and "but I don't understand" whines and self-contradictions.
You've defined yourself thereby and continue to do so.
Yes, there really were, and not just from me.". . .benefit both of us?" Part of those questions — an integral part — has been just what sort of benefits is it you're trying to manipulate for yourself, and why.
And no, I'm not going to digest it again for you, despite your "slow connection," which I've concluded isn't the one to your computer.
Best read of my life.
The "Slow Connection" is between the local Terran mycelia and the next node in the Space Fungus infection network (Aldebaran III?)! The fungoid subspace neurotransmitter's noise margin is being degraded by repeated transients of irresolvable input stimulus!!But that's a *key* question up there in #317 (Just to descend to the mundane for a moment)... Exactly what value *is* there in whatever answers are to be extracted from the "Research" being conducted on us??
Jan wrote: "Best read of my life."
(You're referring to this thread, of course...)
Yvette wrote: "Anamika is Hindi for 'nameless'... "
You wouldn't happen to know what the Hindi for "Clueless" is, would you?
Okay Anamika, although your way of asking questions and giving answers is thoroughly obnoxious, your silly question that started this thread stayed with me. If you're a psy major instead of a troll (which I seriously doubt), you'll find some stuff to analyze in my answer. If you're a robot or alien trying to understand us humanoids, idem ditto.So, here we go: why I like this book so much: (I specifically use 'like', as I'm not one for worshipping of hating inanimate things like books).
I first read the book when I was a little older than 13 years. I had just lost my grandmother and my father and was generally an unhappy teen. Up to then I wasn't much of a reader (except for the books we got imposed on us at school), but I needed something to get my mind off my unhappiness. So I picked up a book that was lying around at home: LOTR, and that easily I escaped... into an new and exciting world. A world which had it all! In many ways it mirrors the real world: good people, bad people, unhappiness, mundane things like birthdays and family members like Lobelia Sackville-Baggins, good and evil, different races, strife between the races, hatred, avarice (Smeagoll, Boromir, Nazgull) and redemption.... BUT it also had sooooo much more: magic, trolls, goblins, elves, ents, ...
I don't know if it was because of my age or the fact that English was new to me, but after reading it the first time, I felt that I didn't 'get' everything there was to get. So, I read it again! and found new layers of meaning, quotes which stayed with me even up till now. ..e.g. “The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, ....”. So I not only found escape but also solace in the book. Maybe, it even put me on the road to maturity.
Not surprisingly, the first book I bought with my own money was LOTR.
Tolkien was not only a great writer (not so good a poet or songwriter though :-), I usually skipped those), but also someone who had a profound understanding and acceptance of human nature and who tried to convey this understanding in his books.
For different people, the book will have different meanings ; and for some (those who cannot relate to any one of the characters I guess) it will have no meaning.
There is so much more to be said about LOTR and Tolkien, but this is not the time or place for it.
So Anamika, my advice to you is: read it again, and read beyond the 'story line' and go to the heart of the book. If that's too daunting a task, then open the quotes section and have a thorough look at Tolkiens' quotes and try to find some meaning there. Maybe it'll even put you on the road to maturity too.
Why worry so much about this Anamika, she accused Anne Frank of having commercial thought went she wrote her diary.How can you take such a person serious at any time in any opinion when it comes to reading after such a daft statement?
WHAT????You don't think Earth being invaded by an alien Space Fungus that's insinuating its mycelial tendrils into human brains and trying to turn Humanity into just another node in the network of infected planets controlled by a loathesome planet-sized Mother Fungus halfway across the Galaxy is SERIOUS??
Dude you are TOTALLY underestimating the Amanita Flatulensis... All the problems Obama and Putin can cause just PALE in comparison to what THIS thing is capable of doing
maybe...
Because it's old...trust me. you cannot get away with hating shakespeare(i do hate him though) and people literally kill me for hating him. i just dont like him...why am i supposed to just because he wrote in the medieval times? your opinion is also true with long and boring...very true. i wonder how the film was made so excellently that didnt bore me. i got lost in the book due to boredom because the descriptions were so long of the surrounding. i would have enjoyed more if he had described of the feelings of the characters rather than the trees and sunlight. i could find no personal connection with the characters unlike i did in the movies.
and just to put more support id say this--i hate harry potter more than twilight.
Topu wrote: "Because it's old...trust me. you cannot get away with hating shakespeare(i do hate him though) and people literally kill me for hating him. i just dont like him...why am i supposed to just because ..."May I ask why you gave the book five stars, if you found it so boring?
But you are right that there are certain authors you are not aloud to hate. (Although I find hate to be a strong word in regards to a person you don't know.) In Austria and Germany it's the same with Goethe. People are still obsessed with him. Yeah, he was a good author but that doesn't mean everything he ever wrote was pure gold. The same applies to all authors. There will always be those who don't like the work of certain authors and I find that to be a good thing. How else would there be diversity in literature if everybody liked the same books?
For the first question, i gate it five starts because i love the story, no matter how boringly it was written. i found myself loving the entire world even though got sleepy with vast explanation how trees and rocks looked. i would have 'worshiped' it if feelings of characters were explained more than the surrounding. and i did say i found it quite boring but i didnt say i hate this book...i dont hate this book. in fact i like it and the film made me love it. you're allowed to have ur opinion and i'm supporting you on that...but not by hating this book but by saying that your opinion is quite true.for the last para...exactly! diversity is the essence in literature and people just dont like the same things...people love twilight and HP and other books and i might not like them too...as long as they dont shove it down my throats, im fine with their choices. is someone shoving down the worshiping of LOTR in your throat? i find plenty of harry potter fans who do...and i fucking hate them...
Topu wrote: "Because it's old...trust me. you cannot get away with hating shakespeare(i do hate him though) and people literally kill me for hating him. i just dont like him...why am i supposed to just because ..."So, you're literally posting from the Other Side?
What's it like, the whole being killed and afterlife thing and all? Had a chance to talk to Shakespeare? And what ISPs run service there? ;-)
Lars wrote: "It's by far the greatest book in the world, but for me (and probably many others) it's the place where adventure stories started. Game of thrones, wheel of time and many others that came after owes..."I love your response to this. Many people don't realize that this book inspired many popular fantasy novels. I think the reason many people don't like the books is because they're so used to movies, where it jumps right into the action. They don't value the brilliant story telling that Tolkien offers. So unless it starts out with a battle scene or love story they automatically find it boring, instead of paying attention to the fine detail that he used to describe the world he created.
your comment actually made me laugh my butt off! the services are awesome! i get more time to write analogies.
Topu wrote: "For the first question, i gate it five starts because i love the story, no matter how boringly it was written. i found myself loving the entire world even though got sleepy with vast explanation ho..."You know I wasn't the one that started this thread. I actually really love all of Tolkiens work and said so in my previous post, but it's still nice to see that other people have the same opinion as me. I always say let them read what they like as long as I don't have to read it. I really hate people that try to convince me to like something I don't. For example I don't like Twilight, but I have a friend who seems to be on a mission to convince me it's the greatest book in the history of the written word. I disagree with that but whatever- even if it was the best book ever written I still wouldn't like it.
So if somebody asks for my opinion or a recommendation I give it but I don't try to shove my likes down their throats as you so pointedly said. And I would really appreciate if others would do the same.
Topu wrote: "your comment actually made me laugh my butt off! the services are awesome! i get more time to write analogies.":D
There's probably an anthology of short stories in this exchange, just waiting to get out!
Anamika wrote: "I never understood why this book is worshiped so much.I don't know about everyone but I feel that it is too long and boring.I doubt anyone else feels the same.But yet,why is this like the greatest ..."If you hate it, that's fine. If someone else loves it, even 'worships' it, that's fine too. Why do you need to understand either point of view?
You tried it, you disliked it, so move on. I'm sure there are plenty of people in both categories, but life is short and there are so many books. Go find the ones you like, rather than trying to understand why so many people loved the ones you didn't.
Anamika wrote: "Actually, I am researching on books so I need to know about it."Probably something that you could have said in your original post? What is your paper called?
Anamika wrote: "No, it's not like that. I'm not exactly writting a paper."What *are* you researching for then?
Anamika wrote: "My future career."A career in what, may I ask?
Anamika wrote: "So inquisite."I just can't see the connection between needing to know why so many people love LOTR and a future career, is all. I'm curious, forgive me.
And the pattern of evasion continues . . .
Now let's see... What does "So Inquisite" mean?Is the Amanita now telling the querent, "You're Being Too Inquisitive"?
That certainly *would* be a familiar theme.
In fact, IIRC I just got told, not only by the Amanita itself but by one of its acolytes on another thread, that such questions of the Almighty Amanita are NOT ALLOWED.
In other words, SHUT UP you ignorant lab rat, you are being STUDIED. How DARE you question The Researcher!!
Get back in your cage!!!
Duane, it is a response to a specific question. Tim asked if he could inquire and Amanika essentially said yes. As such she did in deed respond directly to the petitioner. Ok, it is a deflection, but this is after all still Amanika.
Yeah, and we are after all its mere research subjects, enjoined from questioning its motivations!!But every once in a while, like Pinky and the Brain, somebody picks the lock on the cage and escapes...
Wouldn't it be easier and quicker just to continue with the Spark Notes? Yeah, I read through some of those *reviews* on the site link.
But I will give you credit for at least having something on your profile now, since you kept it completely secret there for a good while. Guess someone clued you in that it might be a good idea.
You know, we tell kids and non-savvy internet users to avoid people online who ask a lot of questions and dance around to avoid answering anything substantively, who give vague general answers, and seem to be uncomfortable or become defensive when pressed for anything real, that those actions are red flags . . .
Aaron wrote: "When I started reading, I read fantasy almost exclusively. Whenever I would tell this to people, they would say, "Have you read Lord of the Rings? it's ama-a-a-azing." I hadn't but what I couldn't ..."I don't think of The Beetles as the best group ever either, but many people have accepted them as such.
It's The Beatles for God's sake!
I don't know why anyone is still bothering with this twit. She's an idiot, plain and simple.
I'll cut the jokes when you start unreservedly giving direct, unevasive answers to questions without being prompted to do so.Which will happen when hell freezes over.
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And while it's over there it can anal-yze why the humans are hating stuff!!
(See what a helpful "Research Assistant" I am?)
Meanwhile,
Renee wrote: "You think everyone here — besides yourself, of course — is stupid. ..."
Well, it WAS able to cross interstellar space in spore form... that would tend to make the fruiting bodies a little (justifiably?) condescending toward their target species...