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Ending of Allegiant?? how do you feel?
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I personally hated the ending of allegiant. Because Tris should NOT DIE. Tris and Tobias were supposed to get married and have a future together!!!! Tris has to live in the movie!!!
That's kind of a cool ending. Honestly, I will take any ending that involves Tris living and her and Four together happily in the end.
I hated book 3. Furthermore I hated it so much I don't know if i even care to see the movie.
Bailey wrote: "I personally hated the ending of allegiant. Because Tris should NOT DIE. Tris and Tobias were supposed to get married and have a future together!!!! Tris has to live in the movie!!!"Hi bailey I totally agree if you like my ending please share it around thanks diana
Tris could not have a happily ever after, not after all she did, not after all she's become.It just wouldn't work. Tris living would be so forced and sappy.
I love the ending even though it basically took my heart and placed into an eternal meat grinder that is still shredding my heart to pieces. It felt right even though it was sad and awful and now Four is all alone and omg it's so hard to think about. But it just fit Tris's character so well and even though I'm not happy with it, I understand it and accept it.
i think the book should have ended this way. If Tris survived and her and Tobias stayed together it would've seemed to forced and cheesy in my opinion
I think she should of either kept Tris or Uriah not remove both. Does anyone know if they plan on casting his character into the next movie?
HORRIBLE! It was a terrible ending and it ruined the series! In my mind there is no allegiant, only Divergent and Insurgent. Honestly, Veronica Roth made a big mistake with the last book.
Stacey wrote: "I think she should of either kept Tris or Uriah not remove both. Does anyone know if they plan on casting his character into the next movie?"I'm about 90% sure Uriah will be in Insurgent. I heard somewhere that they didn't put him in Divergent because his role wasn't that big in it, but in Insurgent it is big, so they wanted to take their time in deciding who plays him!
Horrible! How could she?! Tris survived the death serum just to get kill by a bullet. Ironic, right? After she sacrificed SO much at the end she sacrifizes herself. Great job. Loved it. (Not really)
It was terrible. But it is what Tris would do. She wouldn't let people die for her. She went instead of Caleb; she accepted the repercussions of that choice. Tobias had to heal afterwards, and that is how it worked out. They made their choices; they sacrificed for love. And there is still hurting in Tobias, but he will laugh again. I like that alternate ending- but that is not what tris would do. that is what happens in stupid dramas.It didn't ruin the series- the author thought about it and made the characters be themselves.
Well, I cried nonstop after she died. It was a good ending, though. It was different which brought some people in. It made people stop and think. "If I could, would I sacrifice myself like Tris did?" See, I thought the ending was really sad, but it was really good as well. It'll probably give other people heart attacks, but it'll open up doors. It also showed us the true Tris, and how she loved her brother even after he betrayed her and handed her over to Jeanine.
I loved divergent and liked insurgent but this book was very annoying. Tris should have lived but suffered bad injuries or something like that, not a happy ending but she wouldn't die either. I found the zip line scene actually sadder than her death because it was so anti climactic!
Emily wrote: "HORRIBLE! It was a terrible ending and it ruined the series! In my mind there is no allegiant, only Divergent and Insurgent. Honestly, Veronica Roth made a big mistake with the last book."Hi Emily I agree with you I think it was cool but I was waiting for there to be a twist that she was still alive and she wasn't :( anyway how did you like the alternate ending??
Ashley wrote: "Horrible! How could she?! Tris survived the death serum just to get kill by a bullet. Ironic, right? After she sacrificed SO much at the end she sacrifizes herself. Great job. Loved it. (Not really)"Hi Ashley I really agree with you she survived everything and then was shot and killed it just seemed like the author wanted to hurry up and finish the book she didn't really think out the ending, anyway how did you like the alternate ending??
Madeira wrote: "It was terrible. But it is what Tris would do. She wouldn't let people die for her. She went instead of Caleb; she accepted the repercussions of that choice. Tobias had to heal afterwards, and that..."Hi Madeira I see what your saying it is something tris would do, I think she could have had tris live in the end too, I feel so bad for Tobias :(
Sheena wrote: "Well, I cried nonstop after she died. It was a good ending, though. It was different which brought some people in. It made people stop and think. "If I could, would I sacrifice myself like Tris did..."Hi sheena I see what your saying but I think the author could have thought of a way or a twist to make tris live...I'm a happy ending person I guess I thought it was unique but then I started to dislike it when the movie came out I can't picture theo James crying over tris too sad :( btw how did you feel about the alternate ending?
Diana wrote: "Sheena wrote: "Well, I cried nonstop after she died. It was a good ending, though. It was different which brought some people in. It made people stop and think. "If I could, would I sacrifice mysel..."Other posts say that they might change the ending to the third movie, but no one's quite sure. And I can totally see everything from the upset point of view as well, as I hated it at first. She could have made Tris live, but Caleb die? He needed to live to redeem himself. I guess she wanted Tris to die to show that not all people win in the end even if they do sort of win.
I cried so much when she died but it was so surprising and good if i'm honest. I think it would have been cool if she died later on and not after she just fought past the death serum because she wanted to live so much
Emily wrote: "HORRIBLE! It was a terrible ending and it ruined the series! In my mind there is no allegiant, only Divergent and Insurgent. Honestly, Veronica Roth made a big mistake with the last book."Yep, completely agree. Many people say it fits Tris, but sorry...her parents died FOR HER! They died so that she could go on. Allegiant just made no sense to me, especially the ending. And it still makes me so mad!
Shannon wrote: "Emily wrote: "HORRIBLE! It was a terrible ending and it ruined the series! In my mind there is no allegiant, only Divergent and Insurgent. Honestly, Veronica Roth made a big mistake with the last b..."Hi Shannon I agree!!!
hated that Tris died and in that cruel way.
I just finished the series last night. I sobbed during the last part of the book. From when Tris died right til the end. I'm not one of those people who think that bc it had a heart wrenching ending that it was awful though. I really enjoyed the entire series and even Allegiant.Tris stayed true to character and even though the ending was a bitter pill to swallow it made sense. To say it was a surprise is....well, surprising to me. The series had been in Tris' POV the entire time then switched to Tris & Four's POV in Allegiant. It was obvious she was going to die. I kept hoping I was wrong, but I wasn't.
I feel sad, touched, proud, destroyed, torn. The point is I felt a lot at the end of the book and did a lot of thinking too. Doesn't that make it a great series?
Allegiant ruined the Divergent Trilogy for me. I'm very angry, because I liked the Divergent Trilogy. LIKED.I have said this to many of my friends who have asked me for my thoughts on this book. AND SO I SAY TO YOU:
This is not the first book that I've read in which the protagonist dies, so I'm pretty okay with that. What I really hate is the way Veronica Roth makes it happen. It was a pretty crappy ending.
And can I say, CHRISTINA IS MAKIN' MOVES ON FOUR. *anger*
Josiane wrote: "Allegiant ruined the Divergent Trilogy for me. I'm very angry, because I liked the Divergent Trilogy. LIKED.I have said this to many of my friends who have asked me for my thoughts on this book..."
Uh, I definitely didn't think Christina was making moves on him. Not wanting a person to erase their entire memory doesn't necessarily mean you have the hots for them- it just means you actually give a shit about them and don't want them to do something so completely self-destructive.
You don't even want to know how much I cried, but I thought the ending was beautiful.Yes, I hated that she died, but it had to happen I think.
I absolutely hated the ending, but if Tris didn't die it would have been inconsistent. That is who Tris is. She'd never let Caleb or anyone else die for her, she would have done it herself. Veronica stayed true to her character's personality, and I liked that.
There was no reason for Tris to make that decision in the first place. The entire situation was contrived just to invent an excuse for Tris to sacrifice herself for the "right" reasons. Outside of that authorial need, there was no organic cause for this plan to even exist.
Lauren wrote: "There was no reason for Tris to make that decision in the first place. The entire situation was contrived just to invent an excuse for Tris to sacrifice herself for the "right" reasons. Outside of ..."It would be out of character if she DIDN'T make that decision. She had done it before in the previous books but survived. In the last book she didn't survive. She saw that Caleb didn't want to do it and wasn't prepared to die for something. She had been prepared to die for a cause from the very beginning.
Allegiant was so bad. There was too much teenage angst for a book that was supposed to be as epic as it was. And what the hell was the deal with that opening quote? If you going to have that awesome of a quote, don't have such a sucky ending! Divergent was the best book in the whole series! I hope they can come up with a different ending though because think that is what truly stopped me from liking the book was a whole. Since the ending was so crappy, I just allowed the little things to end up bugging me even more.
Hey josiane christina was totally makin moves on four that was crap a bunch of crap what kind of friend does that make christina who I liked crappy ms roth totally made tobias in insurgent and allegiant like a little boy dam tobias was a man, not a.dude who lied to tris and cried over not being divergent? He would have never gone with nita and would have never ever trusted dam evelyn point is she totally changed tobias which I hated
Personally i didn't enjoy this book , as much as the other two . but i think that Veronica Roth ,was brave by ending the book this way , because there is no always a happy ever after ,sometimes, people have to make sacrifices , sometimes people have to give everything they have , for the ones they love , this doesn't mean that i love the fact that Tris had to died, but i kind of understand the situation. and i think that this is really not a shocker , because Tris , always put everyone before herself. trying to live up the espectations of her parents . knowing that they gave their lives for her and caleb , and for the entire factions. i guess that this is what i love about books , the way that they caught you , and make you feel part of the story , and then you feel so hurt when the things don't turn the way you want. is like this bittersweet sensation.
Michelle wrote: "Lauren wrote: "There was no reason for Tris to make that decision in the first place. The entire situation was contrived just to invent an excuse for Tris to sacrifice herself for the "right" reaso..."You completely missed my point. You need to rewind a bit in the story. Look at the "mission" the characters created, planned and set about to execute. I'm talking about the entire reason that Tris and Caleb were even in that position, with any decision to be made, in the first place.
There was no reason for this mission to exist.
It was completely unnecessary and not believable that the characters would have chosen this as their grand scheme to stop the "bad guys." There were only about 500 other ways to stop the Bureau from resetting the city that didn't involve someone - anyone - sacrificing themselves in the Weapons Lab, and it was not remotely believable that these characters - who we have seen exercise military-level strategy skills in the past two books, for situations much more complex than this, in a time frame much shorter than this - would have immediately picked the STUPIDEST option they could possibly take when they had TWO DAYS to plan and strategize ANYTHING else that didn't involve one of them dying. The only way their plan makes sense is if you allow yourself to believe that every single one of the characters suddenly became an idiot.
It was also not remotely believable that they would have even suggested such a thing. The Bureau is evil and must be stopped because they're going to wipe people's memories? That's the most heinous, morally disgusting thing we've ever heard of, that's like killing a person, that's just terrible! I know, let's do the exact same thing to them! WTF? I do not believe for one second that Tris would not see that she is proposing the exact same evil thing that the Bureau was doing to the city, and Tris would never rationalize it with, essentially, better them than us. The real Tris would have stood up and argued if someone else made this suggestion, pointed out that no matter how bad the Bureau is and regardless of what they did in the past, no one deserves to have their memories erased, and even one person getting it is one person too many. But this story would have me believe that Tris of the high morals and high ideals, with the unusually intuitive mind keenly attuned to human nature, can suddenly think it's okay to do to her "enemy" the exact same evil thing that made her enemies her enemies in the first place. And how convenient it is that this completely out of character plan would "require" a walk through a giant death trap, which, as mentioned, the characters make no effort whatsoever to try to find a way around despite having two days to plan their completely unnecessary and out of character plan. How very convenient that the "only" plan they could come up is one that would require someone to give their life.
How very convenient indeed.
I don't disagree that Tris made a completely in-character decision IN THAT LAST MOMENT. Of course she couldn't let Caleb go and give his life. She loves him, and she couldn't let him throw his life away out of guilt. But you are looking at the story in a microscopic way. You need to step back and expand the big picture. There is no reason for ANYONE to go in there and die. There is no reason for them to be doing this unbelievably stupid thing. The entire plan was totally, unabashedly, almost painfully stupid, not believable as a necessary option, and not remotely believable as something the characters would actually set up. The entire storyline was a blatant contrivance just to invent an excuse for Tris to find herself in a position of sacrifice. Veronica knew how her story needed to end, with Tris making the "right" sacrifice, and she needed to write the story to get her there, needed to invent a dilemma that would require such an action. Unfortunately the dilemma she created was too weak with too many obviously better solutions for the characters' choice of action to make any sense whatsoever. Maybe she realized this but was too singleminded in her desire to get the story to her planning ending to care. Maybe she's not as intelligent as one would believe and she somehow actually didn't notice any of these story problems. Maybe she was too rushed and pressured by the publisher and Summit Entertainment to get this book done and on the shelves that she didn't have time to think things through or tend to all the gaping holes and flaws that barraged the story like a hail of gunfire. Whatever the reason, the result is that she ignored all lines of logic, common sense, and character believability to manipulate the story into an inorganic finale. And so, her preplanned ending - Tris's moment of sacrifice - was completely contrived and completely unbelievable.
Tris's final decision made perfect sense. But there was absolutely no reason in heaven and hell that anyone had to be there to do anything.
Ok. Then list these 500 ways they could have stopped the bureau from releasing the memory serum without stealing it.
I'll just copy and paste an excerpt from a review on Amazon, though there have been many more discussions and ideas tossed about in many places that dissect all the additional ways that this plan was unnecessary:***
The plan to release memory serum onto the people at the Bureau was totally arbitrary. They make no effort to come up with another plan to stop the Bureau from resetting the experiment, and there were much more logical options available to try. Why not work toward a plan to sabotage the vessels deploying the memory serum over the city? Why not try to evacuate everyone? Why not beg for a temporary stay of execution while Tobias talks his parents down from their war plans, since that's precisely what he ended up doing anyway? That was the reason David ordered the reset to begin with, so if they'd just done that in the first place they could have nipped the reset in the bud right off. But somehow the only thing they can think of is a mass memory wipe.
Here is where the story lost me: They learn the Weapons Lab is rigged with death serum, but rather than set out to try to get the passcode or hack into the system or disable the trigger somehow or just THINK OF ANOTHER IDEA, they immediately elect someone to go on a suicide mission. This attack wasn't going down in the next five minutes. They had 48 hours and they make NO effort to think of a plan where someone wouldn't have to die. Well. That's conveniently stupid.
And that death serum trap - can you say "random plot device"? Roth uses a slew of these to basically deus ex machina her way through the plot. Evelyn wants to kill everyone with death serum. The Bureau wants to stop this with memory serum. Our heroes want to stop THEM with more memory serum. It's all artificial conflict; it's contrived. Somehow there's a serum to magically fix any problem and yet the gang ignores all the myriad ways they could use them. Why not get truth serum from the Candor, since evidently it's very easy to drive in and out of the city all of a sudden, and coax the passcode out of David? Why do they need to release the memory serum en masse? Why not just get some from the Amity using it to keep people in the city and use it directly on the folks in charge of the reset? Or take the sample Tobias planned to give to one of his parents and use it on David? It is unfathomable that they wouldn't even think to try anything else with someone's life on the line. Logic, schmogic - gotta work that sacrifice thing into the story somehow!
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And pertaining to the believability of them even choosing this stupid plan as their option:
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Amazingly, it's Tris who proposes this foolish plan in the first place. Tris can be tough and unforgiving, and I get that she would want retaliation against the people responsible for the attack that killed her parents (Retcon alert!), but she is not evil, or stupid. It was glaringly out of character for her to denounce the Bureau's plan to erase people's memories as wicked and depraved, a fate worse than death, only to then suggest doing the exact same thing to them - even though most of the Bureau workers were innocent. Why is this a better option? Her answer: It isn't, but this one saves the people THEY care about. What? Who is this person? Dismissing one group as expendable to save your own interests. The Abnegation would be proud. This moral relativism might work in another context, but it's counterintuitive to Tris's death as a testament to her selflessness for her to die committing an ultimately selfish act. The others even acknowledge what a questionable plan this is but concede that they don't know what else to do. That's not an excuse. It's not okay just because you can't think of a better idea, and for them to act like it is was also out of character.
It would be different if the plan was a last-minute, last resort idea; if all alternatives were proven inaccessible and there was just no other way; if the characters had been established as morally bankrupt morons prone to jumping to extreme worst-case scenarios before working through problems rationally. But none of these is true. In her last moments, Tris says true sacrifice comes from necessity and not without exhausting other options. Exactly which options did they exhaust? This situation was not necessary; it was impulsive, irrational and just plain idiotic.
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Seriously, countless people have long since pointed out all of these, and many more, holes in this situation. A story really shouldn't have so many gaping holes that it's that easy for so many people to instantly spot them on face value. And don't even get me started on the holes in the "aftermath," on what the plan achieved.
I hate the book. But honestly, I didn't see that one coming.
Excuse some spoilers and the length of this comment.The ending of this book. No. I couldn't believe it. All of it. I sort of felt lied too, because Veronica Roth had said there wasn't any unexpected endings in this book. YOU LIED VERONICA ROTH.
I also felt very annoyed with the ending. Tris' death was seriously not okay.
When they had decided upon Caleb going in and risking his life for everyone (mostly Tris) although I do not have a personal liking for Caleb, I never really liked his character I felt he was very predictable in many of ways example I knew he was going to transfer when he said "we have to think about ourselves", I was sad to see him go and I was then set for him to die and when it was Tris I was not okay. I think I cried for 2 days over it. I was really disappointed with her death as well, I mean she was a very strong heroine and I expected her to die in the same way. I would have been happy, for example, if she died whilst fighting the genetically pure theory off. However when she got shot and died? No, she shouldn't have died like that at all. What a pity death. It was, i'm sorry, pathetic.
In no way am I saying the whole series is. I'm simply expressing how Tris' death should have been more meaningful and not just a bullet then dead thing.
I also felt that Veronica Roth took an easy way out in ending the series. I'M SORRY FORGIVE ME. The ending of the book was like, nothing compared to the rest of the series. It just didn't add up at all.
Over all I love the series I mean it's one of my favorite series' ever and I would never say otherwise.
I cry soo many times, why she had to die? R.I.P. to Tris. ;( and i also think that veronica took an easy way to end the series.
Leahxx wrote: "I love the ending even though it basically took my heart and placed into an eternal meat grinder that is still shredding my heart to pieces. It felt right even though it was sad and awful and now F..."I AGREE WITH THIS 100% OMG SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT
I think the only reason tris died is because even though caleb betrayed her, he was still her brother and she still loved him. She died instead of caleb because she loved him. And I loved the ending. Not many main characters in books I've read die. I never expected it.
Hi wrote: "Tris could not have a happily ever after, not after all she did, not after all she's become.It just wouldn't work. Tris living would be so forced and sappy."
As much as her death DEVASTATED me, I agree with you 100%
Cindy wrote: "Hi wrote: "Tris could not have a happily ever after, not after all she did, not after all she's become.It just wouldn't work. Tris living would be so forced and sappy."
As much as her death DEVAS..."
Yes! The one thing that really makes Tris unique is how she's completely willing to sacrifice herself for others. The book had to end with her making the ultimate sacrifice she could. She had to die to save everyone.
That being said, I didn't really like the book that much. I found the Toby chapters pretty boring.
As I was reading the book three, I hoped that tris will come back or its just a dream or something haha.
I am sure everyone was shocked, annoyed and sad about the ending of allegiant, but that was what verionca roth was trying to do, it was a great risk actually to have the main character die as a lot of books are not like that. I was sad and I did cry but it showed that Tris is a very strong character and that she would sacrifice herself for everyone.
Awwww there are sooooo much feelings inside me about this book since I just finished the series... It was kinda schocking but at the same time I expected that the end couldn't be positive... these dystopias are not famous from the happy endings... :((( However I am still kinda sad about this because I thought this book could be the exeption! I think that if the writer would make a happy ending could be better for anyone, really! Readers would be positive after reading it and believe that the would could be better. It is kinda ridiculous the at the end the writer describe this suddenly perfect world which does not involve Tris anymore. So I think she was very negative at the end that she could not keep Tris alive, coz either way you make a happy ending with a little bitter aftertaste or make a horrible deppressive one. But this? Half way of everything...:((( I am just mad, and disappointed and I wish I have not even started to read the series ://Thats suicide behavior however what Tris started at the second book was kind of foreshadowed the future and I somehow knew that she would be volunteering instead of Caleb.
But I am still sad and mad about the finish.
Exlibris_keagan wrote: "I think the only reason tris died is because even though caleb betrayed her, he was still her brother and she still loved him. She died instead of caleb because she loved him. And I loved the endi..."I really hate the self sacrificing angst of these young women in the YA genre. Twilight anyone? An alternative reason Tris may have offered herself up to do the deed was because she did not believe Caleb was capable of doing so. But I still really really hate the ending. She could have been shot but not killed. Really.
Leahxx wrote: "I love the ending even though it basically took my heart and placed into an eternal meat grinder that is still shredding my heart to pieces. It felt right even though it was sad and awful and now F..."Totally agree!!
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Hi everyone my cousin Liz and I are huge fans of the divergent series I finished reading allegiant before her I have to say I was a little upset, anyway I would really like the movie ending to be different. personally I didn't like the ending my cousin and I spent an entire day thinking of our alternate ending which I figure I would tell you guys hope you like it lol!!! Okay she goes into the weapons lab gets past the death serum whatever then you see David with Peter and she's like you little traitor, David pulls out his gun to shoot tris, and then Peter kills David and gets his memory erased, but tris is shot and falls to the ground. Then you flash over to Tobias coming back with Uriahs parents. tris is in a coma a couple days later they decide to unplug Uriah and tris wakes up they're happy but sad Uriah is dead. so it's very sad but tris has woken, but between the memory serum, the death serum and getting shot she's gone crazy; Tobias goes to see her everyday, but she doesn't remember him he goes to see her still no change even though she remembers Christina?? Tobias goes into see her again and she tells him to leave her alone tobias grabs tris shoulders sayin you remember me it's Tobias, Tobias?? tris freaks out and faints screaming that she doesn't know him!! Tobias leaves upset he decides he wants to leave there's no hope he thinks it will be best to let her forget, and just move on and go some where's else. Christina tries to tell him not to go but as he's packing a nurse comes rushing in and says Tobias something's wrong with tris come quick. you see Tobias running down the hall upset he hits the door frame scared of what he might see... he sees tris in the middle of her room hair messed up and black marker all up her arms then he looks up and everywhere all around the room there's the number 4 he tears up then you see tris look up into his kind eyes and smile and the Tobias smiles back teary eyed and she's say four???? and then The End hope you like it lol my alternate ending!! plz share this maybe they will change it!!