Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
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How much voldemort did voldemort actually have?
Who ever said he put that much in the diary?
Locke wrote: "Who ever said he put that much in the diary?"I think the point was that when he made his first horcrux, half of his soul went into the diary. So with every next horcrux, the halves got smaller and smaller because Voldemort had less soul to give. Kind of like folding a piece of paper in half over and over again. Does that make sense?
But Babafaba's right...we don't know for sure if your soul gets split in half, or if it's just a part of your soul.
Also, I thought it was the act of murder that splits your soul, not the making of a horcrux. So since he committed a lot more murders than made horcruxes (Charity Burbage, James Potter, to name a few), the slice o' soul in Voldemort himself had to have been much smaller.
Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: "That could be right too but he kept those parts in his body, so it wouldn't make big difference. So even if his soul got sliced in halves and he committed hundreds, maybe thousands of murders, and ..."I never read them as remaining part of his body. I mean, if it split, what would be the harm in splitting if it came right back to you? (Harm to your victim aside of course...) Blergh. I have many issues with horcruxes.
I don't care if it's politically incorrect, it's funny.
It is hysterical. And i think if he didnt perform the really complicated charm the piece of the soul ripped wouldnt go anywhere. But the diagram's awesome. =)
well it never was mentioned if his soul actually gets ripped in equal halves each time, but yeah it would be funny to think all those objects, Harry and Nagini had more Voldy than Voldy himself XD
Pretty awesome graph. :)
Ha! I really didn't think about this.
Wow, never really thought about this but you make a very good point! Crazy!
"HARRY had more Voldemort than Voldemort had."That.. Is a terrifying thought.
Diary: 1/2
Ring: 1/4
Locket: 1/8
Cup: 1/16
Diadem: 1/32
Harry: 1/64
Nagini: 1/128
Voldemort: 1/128
Same as nagini, right?
Gloria- you have scarred me for life. Thank you.
This was actually a really interesting point, love the pie chart!
So does this mean that Nagini can see into Voldemort's mind too? Because that's really creepy. And maybe this is going out on a limb, but if Voldemort can feel when a horcrux dies, does that mean the other horcruxes can feel it too? Can they communicate with each other? If they were all human that is?
I smell a fan fiction!
I'm not going to write it, but someone else can go ahead.
It would be kind of interesting. If they were all people, they could all (in theory) see things from the other's pov. Like Harry with Nagini. Just a theory I've been wanting to share for a while.
This is the most awesome thing I have seen today!
Kim wrote: "This is the most awesome thing I have seen today!"Isn't it?
Gloria, you are a genius to realize this!
*Gloria* ~In The Clouds~ wrote: "I mean, really. After all those horcruxes:When I used to think about Voldemort’s horcruxes I imagined a soul divided in equal portions residing in the different horcruxes and Voldemort himself. I..."
Wow! You've really made an effort to understand the composition of Vodemort! But unfortunately, he might have had much less in him because of the many murders he committed. Many people had much less of themselves because they all kill someone.
Shubham wrote: "*Gloria* ~In The Clouds~ wrote: "I mean, really. After all those horcruxes:When I used to think about Voldemort’s horcruxes I imagined a soul divided in equal portions residing in the different h..."
Lets hope not, this is getting more frightening by the minute!
That would be awesome, but splitting one's soul in two does not necessarily mean two equal halves. Still funny, though.
I always pictured it as in half. I thought it said somewhere, I'll check later.
Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore)))((((Scuttle)))) wrote: "Hmmmm, I don't remember if there was some point where it was mentioned that your soul gets split in half but I do remember that most of the times it wasn't so could someone post the exact page numb..."I thought it said in the chapter where Harry is seeing the memory of Voldemort talking to Slughorn. The full memory that is. Sorry! I don't remember what part if book 6 that's in!
On pages 497-498 it shows most of the memory.They never say it's in half. It is refered to as "splitting the soul."
However, "splitting" generally refers to breaking something down the middle, or in two halves.
I still think it was meant to be in halves.
Yeah, its ridiculous how much of HIMSELF he would give away to less likely die.
Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore)))((((Scuttle))))(((((Scar, aka Prince Taka))))) wrote: "Sarthak wrote: "harry was the last horcrux"No actually Nagini was the last horcrux, maybe if you payed attention to the books you would know that."
I think it's a common mistake to call Harry the last one, because you find it out last. No need to make jabs at people.
Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore)))((((Scuttle))))(((((Scar, aka Prince Taka))))) wrote: "I'm sorry but he should have been more polite himself. He spoke with such authority like there was absolutely no chance he could be mistaken. I'm sorry, I wouldn't be so rude if he had written some..."
How can you tell the way people are saying things sense this is all typed?
How can you tell the way people are saying things sense this is all typed?
Good point. But its fine. Let snots be snots. (Not being offensive or anything)
I actually meant the "if you payed attention you would know that" part was rude.
I think they are all easy mistakes and forgiving should be granted. We are all sorry for what we have done. Ok? Ok.
About the same wood a woodchuck would chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.
Benjamín wrote: "About the same a wood a woodchuck would chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood."
What the???
What the???
*Gloria* ~In The Clouds~ wrote: "I mean, really. After all those horcruxes:When I used to think about Voldemort’s horcruxes I imagined a soul divided in equal portions residing in the different horcruxes and Voldemort himself. I..."
Okay so the pie chart is hilarious. I love this post.
Shewanda wrote: "*Gloria* ~In The Clouds~ wrote: "I mean, really. After all those horcruxes:When I used to think about Voldemort’s horcruxes I imagined a soul divided in equal portions residing in the different h..."
So do I! It's the first things that I've heard on the topic and it's a terrifyingly interesting topic that I lve talking about. It's a deep, thought-provoking, topic and. I love those!
I totally have withdrawal from this series. I love how layered it is. How we can come back after a spell and have discussions like this, and it's a conversation within a conversation. How much of Harry was Voldemort ... and better still, what does that even mean? Exhale. I love this series.
It's just so thought out! Every single detail was planned to perfection! That s why they're instant classics!
He did not have THAT MUCH in the diary.
✿Lilac✿ wrote: "Locke wrote: "Who ever said he put that much in the diary?"I think the point was that when he made his first horcrux, half of his soul went into the diary. So with every next horcrux, the halves..."
Your very right!
Since killing itself is needed to make a Horcrux i wonder if Voldemort could have just stepped on a few spiders and called it a day lol.
booklover123 wrote: "Since killing itself is needed to make a Horcrux i wonder if Voldemort could have just stepped on a few spiders and called it a day lol."That's actulally an interesting thought. What makes a death strong enough to count. Does it work if you kill a spider? Does it have to be a human? What about a dog?
I think Voldemort picked people just because he's a totally twisted person.
That brings up thestrals too, what counts as seeing death for them?
Probably not a bug, because everyone would see them, but does it have to be a person? Again, if you saw your pet dog die, that would be a huge emptional blow, is that enough to see a thestral, or make a horcrux?
I find it quite interesting that half of his soul is in his beloved diary that belonged to him when he was still human enough to have feelings that could be poured into a diary.
2)I'm not sure your soul gets split in half each time you make a horcrux! Just a part of you..."I agree. I don't think the soul is always halved each time. It splits up into percentages out of a Hundred. At least that's how I understood it. So it would go down from a half percentage until you reach zero there being nothing left.
Hannah wrote: "2)I'm not sure your soul gets split in half each time you make a horcrux! Just a part of you..."I agree. I don't think the soul is always halved each time. It splits up into percentages out of a ..."
It's kinda scary actually, because you can't get down to zero just by splitting things in half. You could have hundreds of horcruxes and still have a miniscule percentage left in you.
Hannah wrote: "2)I'm not sure your soul gets split in half each time you make a horcrux! Just a part of you..."I agree. I don't think the soul is always halved each time. It splits up into percentages out of a ..."
But that would mean that the person creating the horcruxes would have to determine the number from the very start. Voldemort did not intend for his soul to be in 8 pieces, since Harry was an accident. So, do the percentages of the soul in the other horcruxes decrease when a new one is made? That just doesn't seem likely to me, which is why I agree with the graph.
well........he did go down quite easily.lmao
hmmm... i imagine that the death has to be human - i mean, killing anything else for your own selfish purposes is despicable, dont get me wrong, but the way slughorn describes the murder necessary, it seems that he's referring to a human's death.
Okay people, step back and look at things. Harry was the last horcrux. The snake was already a horcrux before Voldemort came back in Goblet of Fire.I am not sure the exact order but I do know by the books.
Diary: 16 years of age from Moaning Myrtle
Ring: His Uncle at 17 yr of age
Diadem: His Father at 17 yr of age.
Locket: Gotten while working for Babbages and Blotts
Cup: Gotten while working for Babbages and Blotts
Nagini: Was a snake from far away he traveled a lot after Babbages and Blotts.
Harry: making this last one broke him to much and he ceased to be able to hold himself in existence.
These can be proven by the memories Dumbledore showed Harry. The Ring was on his finger when he was talking to Slugworth but not when the Diary was made. The gray Lady told him where the diadem was she said so and said he was in school at the time.
We read where and when he got the other three after school. Then he grew weak and withdrawn. Why because the horcruxes to so much out of him.
Then it says he traveled abroad. One can draw from this as the likely point he gain the snake. Making it last before Harry.
Then Harry broke him. The books make it clear he desired to make the sword of Griffendore one but couldn't seem to get his hands on it.
Tim wrote: "Okay people, step back and look at things. Harry was the last horcrux. The snake was already a horcrux before Voldemort came back in Goblet of Fire.I am not sure the exact order but I do know by t..."
I read somewhere that JK Rowling said how it was funny that no one realized the snake that Harry let loose from the zoo in the 1st book ended up being Nagini. Which means Nagini would have had to meet Voldy after the AK spell rebounded on him the first time.
Just saying.
Tim wrote: "Okay people, step back and look at things. Harry was the last horcrux. The snake was already a horcrux before Voldemort came back in Goblet of Fire.I am not sure the exact order but I do know by t..."
Nahini is actually the last horcrux.
While he did travel after working, it's likely he did not aquire the snake then. When he went to the Potter's house, he didn't have Nagini with him. Harry become a gorcrux that night.
Then, he fled to Albania, in a half-alive form, ghost-thing he was. It said he befriended many animals, mostky snakes during this time.
Besides, it doesn't really matter when he found the snake, it's when she became a horcrux, which was with the death of Bertha Jorkins. She traveled to Albania and Voldemort took information from her using powerful memory charms. Then he killed her and turned Nagini into a horcrux.
That was the Goblet if fire.
So Harry was definitely before Nagini.
Dani-girl wrote: "Tim wrote: "Okay people, step back and look at things. Harry was the last horcrux. The snake was already a horcrux before Voldemort came back in Goblet of Fire.I am not sure the exact order but I ..."
They actually are not the same snake. There are no reputable sources proving JKR ever said that.
Let's look at the descriptions
The snake at the zoo was described as (I'm looking at the book right now) a boa constrictor big enough to "wrap it's body around uncle vernon's car twice and crush it into a trash can."
Nagini (again, looking at the book right now) was described as having a diamond-patterned tail and is green. She was also stated to be a viper, not a boa constrictor.
If that isn't enough for you, the zoo snake was a boy, Nagini, a girl.
Another thing, Nagini kills by biting, not constricting people as a boa constrictor would do.
If you find me a video with JKR saying this quote, I'll believe you, until then, it's someone playing a major joke.
Another thing, a boa constrictor is a non-venomous snakeNagini clearly has venom.
On that alone, they can't be the same snake.
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When I used to think about Voldemort’s horcruxes I imagined a soul divided in equal portions residing in the different horcruxes and Voldemort himself. I realised that this can’t be true in The Half-Blood Prince Slughorn describes making a horcrux as splitting ones soul in two. This means that when Riddle made his Diary into a horcrux he split his soul in half and physically removed one half from his body and placed it in the diary. This means that he only had half of his soul left when he made his next horcrux, Marvolo’s ring. This half would have been split in half leaving only a quarter in Voldemort’s body. This goes on and on the amount of soul remaining in Voldemort halving each time he makes a horcrux until he had only 1/128 or 0.78125% left in his body. As shown in the graph above. So next time you wonder why Voldemort could have done some of things he did, remember how little human he had left in him. I don’t know about you but I think that this is crazy.
HARRY had more Voldemort than Voldemort had.
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