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How do you predict this series will end? (Do not enter unless you're willing to read spoilers up to and including Moby)
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For some reason I can't see the series end without them dying. How do you think it will end or how do you hope it will end?
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Oh so many possibilities. I think Jaime is an auld one and he doesn't die. I conclude this from reading The Scottish Prisoner. Also, he can see into the future which they haven't realized yet. I don't believe they had to die to end it. But they are aging so you lose a bit of action cause they are old now. That is why I said the 20 year separation was too long. I do like the idea of Ian and William stories. I love Ian and William has grown on me. And we can't forget Jem and Germain adventures.
I don't want them to die. I guess it's the Ghost at the beginning of book 1 that makes me think that Jamie dies. I like the idea of Gabaldon ending the story with them sitting on their new house patio or something like that. But at the same time it doesn't feel resolved that way.
I think the 20 year separation was too much too. But that's another thing that makes me think perhaps Jamie dies. Maybe Jamie dies and Clare returns to her own time? And because they die in different centuries, Jamie has to "wait" for Clare to die in her own? It fits the Clare and Jamie separation theme.
I like the idea of the spinoff's with William and Ian but at the same time It just wouldn't be the same without Jamie and Clare. I think maybe it would be disappointing.
I don't think Claire will ever go back through the stones. I believe if they die in the end, they will die together. Like the couple they found in that cave in France.
I think the best ending would be for Jamie and Claire to return to Fraser's ridge and make the best of their last years there. Ian and Fergus and their families would live nearby, and William and John would visit them. I don't want to think of them dying.
I would love to see Jamie and Claire living out their golden years together. But, I think that ending is highly unlikely. Considering their age, the time period and the dangerous situations they always seem to find themselves in. I think they will die at the same time, but not necessarily together. Diana Gabaldon has so many established and loved characters that I think the series could continue without Jamie and Claire. I think I read somewhere that MOBY would NOT be her last book in the series. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
What a great question. I want to see them live into old age together, but I can certainly envision Jamie dying as a hero, saving a loved one. I had a friend who was happily married for almost 70 years, then died within a few days of her husband. That's true romance.
Well they've lived through Culloden in Scotland, the beginning of the slave revolution in Jamaica and the Revolution in America. Looks like they are headed for the French Revolution next. I hope that after all their adventures, Claire will be able to somehow get Jamie to the future when he is on his final (9th) deathbed (how many is he up to now?) I'm not sure Jamie is an auld one as one of the other reviewers suggests because he doesn't hear the stones. Maybe master Raymond will turn up to help (remember those runes he sent Claire after they left Paris? - he's surely from the distant future). Maybe Jemmy will discover the ability to move people safely through time or maybe Brianna will sacrifice herself for her dad, I could live with that.
Wouldn't it be lovely for all our favourite characters, Claire and Jaime, Ian (and Rachel), Jenny, John, William, Fergus and Marsalie to end up either in 1990's Lallybroch or Frasers Ridge. Of course that would be much too saccharine but I could live with that too...
Damn, its been a few years… I thought I might get a fact or two out of whack but Ireland??? What was I thinking :) Will be editing that asap, thanks for the heads up :)
I can't see her killing off either Jamie or Claire but I remember in one of the books that Jamie saw Claire as an older woman in her own time and him not there. Anybody else remember that.
Phyllis wrote: "I can't see her killing off either Jamie or Claire but I remember in one of the books that Jamie saw Claire as an older woman in her own time and him not there. Anybody else remember that."The scene you're talking about, it was never stated if Clare was older or not. She asked him what color her hair was and he hadn't noticed. It actually reminded me of the ghost scene at the beginning of book one and I wondered if it were then.
Mrsbooks wrote: "Phyllis wrote: "I can't see her killing off either Jamie or Claire but I remember in one of the books that Jamie saw Claire as an older woman in her own time and him not there. Anybody else rememb..."No, it wasn't in the first book, I think it was when they were in America. Maybe I'll have to read them over again
Kaycee wrote: "I think Diana will surprise everyone it is a story about time travel so why not go back in time and perhaps have a second chance! True love never dies!"I love this thought, I have been thinking that for a while now!!!
Phyllis wrote: "Mrsbooks wrote: "Phyllis wrote: "I can't see her killing off either Jamie or Claire but I remember in one of the books that Jamie saw Claire as an older woman in her own time and him not there. An..."Yes, Jamie has a dream while they're in America and he tells Clare about it. He doesn't know how old she is though because Clare asks him and he doesn't remember noticing what color her hair was. What Jamie describes reminded me of the scene in book 1 of what the Ghost appears to be watching Clare while she sits in front of the mirror brushing her hair. I'd have to read it again, but at the time, that's what it reminded me of.
Pamela wrote: "Kaycee wrote: "I think Diana will surprise everyone it is a story about time travel so why not go back in time and perhaps have a second chance! True love never dies!"I love this thought, I have ..."
Where we've finally learned that the past can be changed, I'm wondering if she'll end the book with something bad happening but leaving us with the knowledge that someone will somehow go back to fix it.
Mari wrote: "With a cancellation."The books have sold millions, obviously they're not going to "cancel" writing them.
Julia wrote: "I sincerely hope that does not happen. I hope she ends the series with them alive, somewhere. I suppose I am a pollyanna, but I like to imagine them off living out the end of their lives. I pe..."
A wonderful way of putting it.
Bless that poor girls heart. I agree, she couldn't have understood the question. Why be in a group where people are fans of a book you despise? That's just silly to me.
I think Jamie will eventually die, and then Claire will return to her own time to live out the rest of her life and die there. The reason Jamie's ghost appears in Inverness is because, to some degree, time still runs linearly, so he has to wait for Claire to die in her own time before they can be reunited.
Kristinfassler wrote: " The reason Jamie's ghost appears in Inverness is because, to some degree, time still runs linearly, so he has to wait for Claire to die in her own time before they can be reunited." That makes a lot of sense. I had not thought of that.
Yaya wrote: "Kristinfassler wrote: " The reason Jamie's ghost appears in Inverness is because, to some degree, time still runs linearly, so he has to wait for Claire to die in her own time before they can be re..."I didn't either
I think Roger entering the past before Jamie and Clair meet is going to change the time line and we are going to be left with the impression that they get to have another life together .. after all ... it is time travel and all things are possible.
ahhhh!!!! close eyes haven't read MOBY yet!
Dee wrote: "ahhhh!!!! close eyes haven't read MOBY yet!"I am only up to Drums of Autumn so I should not be reading this
In the title of this discussion it says spoilers up to and including MOBY
Stacey wrote: "In the title of this discussion it says spoilers up to and including MOBY"I know I said I should not be reading this not that I wouldn't
Stacey wrote: "In the title of this discussion it says spoilers up to and including MOBY"I added the spoilers till Moby part today. Before that it just said spoilers. :)
gertt wrote: "Shawn wrote: "I think Roger entering the past before Jamie and Clair meet is going to change the time line and we are going to be left with the impression that they get to have another life togethe..."In the header it says ... DO NOT ENTER if you aren't willing to read spoilers up to and including MOBY .. What the What!!!
Honestly, I'm a little scary to think what might happen at the end of the whole saga. How many, we have a great affection for all the characters Gabaldon has created and it would be a shame to think that then die all the obstacles that happened to have a more or less decent, peaceful and happy life. And I agree as many that I love Jamie and Claire live happily together with all your friends and family, and both died in peace together.
I don't ever want to see Claire and Jamie die...I think with the time travel element of the story something could be written to keep them alive, if you can go forward to a future time (when time travel is understood, perhaps medicine has come a long way and people could be regenerated to a younger state..) That's what I would do, I'd take Claire to the future where she figures out how to get her and Jamie back to being young, and then they go to the future together with the new technology she learns about.. Where Jamie and her have new adventures fighting off some future villains (perhaps aliens). His warrior abilities come to bear in fight off new treats.. It never has to end. I'm sure Diana's inventive mind can take us anywhere.. :)
But Jamie can't time travel
Phyllis wrote: "But Jamie can't time travel"Well, that's why Claire goes into the far future where there is new technology that she learns to allows him to time travel too. You can do anything time traveling.. who knows what the future holds. Now that she's working on the Starz show with Ron Moore who is Mr. future himself (Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek fame) it might influence her into the a future past today. It's all in Diana's imagination don't you agree.
I wonder if there will be some sort of reset..some sort of time anomaly.Like it ends with Claire waking up back in 1945 again and the cycle starts again.
My thought is that the series (and I am so new to these books) will end with coming back to when Frank saw that ghost on the path watching Claire brush her hair. I think it will come all the way back around.
That was just too significant. And that speech Frank gives about how he would understand if she had strayed. I am only thru the first book. I actually finished it last night and started going back thru it trying to keep up with a few details that I think I will need to remember for later. I could have done without the details of Jamie being violated. I'm also wondering if in the end if Frank will end up being someone nobody really liked after all. He has evil in his blood lines and he he also was so adamant about not adopting and sharing Claire with someone else. He's not as great as everyone is thinking.
Well of course in the real world everything you said above is true. Evil in the bloodline doesn't carry on. HOWEVER this is a book. There are not rules.
Though it wasn't part of the book (that I remember), the scene last week where Frank beats up the two men who try to rob him and he chokes the woman who tried to extort him might indicate that Frank has a dark side. He was violent beyond what he needed to do to defend himself. Frank may not be a sadist but he can be quite brutal.
Someone said that Jamie couldn't time travel but I don't remember that in any of the books. So who knows, maybe he can?
So far he hasn't but I have several more books to go
Also franks father was black jacks brother who was a peaceful man
I don't think that he can't time travel (Jamie) I just have this feeling we are going to be surprised as this unfolds (book 8 fingers crossed 9........to 22!)Also, Frank did go off the rails with those guys and that girl. i'm telling you at this point (and I am only on book 2) can you imagine if this ended with Claire ending up with Frank? Oh please! That would be horrible. She's gotta be with Jamie forever!!!! So I think there is a build to see that Frank has a whole other side. I mean leaving her suitcase behind as he leaves (on the show) that said a lot!
Yes the show has added some nice surprises. It totally did not say in book one Jaime couldn't time travel
It was assumed since he couldn't hear them that he couldn't also when he touched them he felt nothing. I just think maybe a different set of stones might do the trick
409 in which book
We want jamie to time travel so if he has to he can go and fight Frank (he talks about fighting for Claire in book 1 against her husband) to win Claire. I'm hooked. I'm a total Jamie fan!
Jamie would loose so much of his commanding presence in the future. I would hate to see him become weak. But he would. He wouldn't know how to do anything, he would constantly be relying on others in order to emerse himself in a futuristic society. Jamie is obviously going to lose a lot of that presence as he ages anyways but he will be with people who respect him in a way that strangers from the future will not. He is a leader in the community.
So far the stones have shown he can not travel anyways. The stones in Scotland, the stones in Jamaca and the stones near Fraser ridge. Currently, all the people who can travel have the same sensations around the stones including in the novel The Space Between and the one with Rogers dad.
Really its a lot of people and a lot of stones. Diana is smart, I'm sure she could come up with some sort of plauseable explanation as to why Jamie can suddenly go through the stones. I can't imagine a way though that makes any sense. And I would also hate to see her do that to Jamie. I'm glad she has said she wouldn't.
gertt wrote: "RsvpShindig wrote: "I'm also wondering if in the end if Frank will end up being someone nobody really liked after all. He has evil in his blood lines and he he also was so adamant about not adoptin..."I wondered when I read this if he didn't cheat on her during their separation during the war. To me, it seems like he had.
Also, how long were they married before the war? I couldn't remember if that was stated in the book.
RsvpShindig wrote: "That was just too significant. And that speech Frank gives about how he would understand if she had strayed. I am only thru the first book. I actually finished it last night and started going ba..."Don't read this unless you really want to know (view spoiler)
I am on book 2. I am just in an ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh okay. Get it now. But, I am sure by book 4 I'll be confused more so!!!!
Kyra wrote: I wondered when I read this if he didn't cheat on her during their separation during the war. To me, it seems like he had. Also, how long were they married before the war? I couldn't remember if that was stated in the book."It never said but it did say (view spoiler)
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