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What have you read lately?

P.S. The Spanish Armada has now bit the dust."
Thanks!

I Elizabeth.
Robin you now have me interested in Sunne in Splendour.
This European Royalty blog is great for finding new authors and novels.
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For nonfiction about the early Tudors, you might try The Making of the Tudor Dynasty by Ralph Griffiths and Roger Thomas. It deals with the events leading up to Henry Tudor's victory at Bosworth Field and the early years of his reign. There's also David Starkey's book about the young Henry VIII, Henry: Virtuous Prince, and his nonfiction book about Henry VIII and his wives, The Six Wives of Henry VIII.


I Elizabeth.
Robin you now have me interested in Sunne in Splendour.
This European Royalty blog is great for finding new authors an..."
Thanks Susan, I have a few of Starkey's books but Henry:Virtuous Prince sounds interesting.
I will also look into The Making of the Tudor Dynasty.
Would you say then that I should read about the early Tudor period before getting into Henry VIII's life, wives, and children?

Would you say then that I should read about the early Tudor period before getting into Henry VIII's life, wives, and children?
I don't think you really need to. Most any decent nonfiction book on Henry VIII will go into his father's history enough to give you a background on the early Tudor period.

Would you say then that I should read about the early Tudor period before getting into Henry VIII's life, wives, and children?
I don't think you really need to. Most any decent no..."
Thanks!

P.S. The Spanish Armada has now bit the dust."
LOL. I think one of my favorite of Elizabeth's talks to her "readers" comes after the defeat of the Armada. It is when she's discussing how she had a special coin minted in honor of the event and asks the "reader" how he/she likes the verse she put on it...
"It has a nice ring to it, yes?"
"No! Well, I liked it and the people liked it and there was no thought of pleasing you at the time."
Or something along those lines. I got a good laugh out of that one. :)

I Elizabeth.
Robin you now have me interested in Sunne in Splendour.
This European Royalty blog is great for finding new authors an..."
Susan I just bought The Making of the Tudor Dynasty on alibris.com for a little over $5 dollars with shipping. Thanks again!

Would you say then that I should read about the early Tudor period before getting into Henry VIII's life, wives, and children?
I don't think you really need to. Most any decent no..."
I agree that you can start with the wives if that's what you are mostly interested in. That's how I started reading about the Tudors (and European royalty). Non-fiction or well-researched fiction would probably be the best place to start.


AFTER READING: Wow, another 5 star book. F-A-B-U-L-O-U-S! First let me mention that the status updates are wrong. There are 428 pages in this book! Now, I will try and summarize a teeny bit why I loved it, and let me say I am hooked, bait, line and sinker; I have to read more about the royal history. It is not fluff and swooning love affairs, and banquets and fancy clothing. At least not in this book. It is about what motivates people. All of us - both the common and the royal classes. Both today and yesterday. It is about family ties, mother/daughter relationships, the demands we place on those loved ones whom are strong versus those who are less so. It is about how men and women and how, although we are equal, perhaps do not see things the same way. Of course there are always exceptions. When one has lived in different countries, as I have, you recognize different cultural characteristics. Of course not all French are so and Belgians so, Americans so and Swedes so, but you do see some general tendencies. The same can be said about women versus men and how they look on life issues. And this book talks about Spanish versus Hapsburg cultural characteristics. I found this very relevant to life here in Belgium. I understand Belgians a teeny bit better because their history has molded who they are today. This book was terribly exciting. As it neared the end, I thought OK, now it is over and then in the second to the last chapter, wow you will be blown away! I write in my books. I wrote OMG dozens of times in just chapter 32, the second to the last chapter of the book. VERY EXCITING. This queen Juana is called Juana the Mad. You will truly understand why. One more thing, which is very important, the book ends with a clear explanation of what is fact and what is fiction. For me this is essential. This is a superb author. Thank you C W Gortner for doing this, and thank you for the map! And GooodReads, thank you for bring this book to my attention. It has opened up a whole new genre to me. I was worried that I might not appreciate the book b/c I am kind of distracted by our new puppy, Oscar. Not at all!
Can somebody recommend a good book about Charles V, Juana's son, head of the Holy Roman Empire? I am looking for undry nonfiction or moving but correct historical fiction.
BEFORE READING:Having read Shadows of the Pomegranate Tree by Tariq Ali a while ago, I wanted to learn more. In the book by Ali, Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain threw out the Moors and sent Columbus to America. They had a daughter named Juana, and Gortner's book is about her. Catherine of Aragon, who was the first wife of the notorious Henry VIII, is Juana's sister. Juana and her husband Philip the Fair will raise their son ro become Charles V, ruler of the Holy Roman Empire. Reading about royal European families is a totally new area for me! I hope I am not engulfed with petty descriptions of clothes and balls and all that stuff. Charles V played a significant role in Sarah Dinant's book entitled In the Company of the Courtesan, which I thoroughly enjoyed. I am relying on Gortner's good writing skills in the hope that I will be spared fluff! Cross your fingers for me; too much fluff and I might throw out all attempts to tackle European royalty.

Thanks for the heads-up!


AFTER READING: Wow, another 5 star..."
You now have me very interested in the books you mentioned. I did not know In the Company of the Cortisan was royal historical fiction.
I'm now going to look for a copy of Gortner's book.

I think I read a thread about The Last Queen in this group when it was read as the group read before I joined.

AFTER READING: Wow, another 5 star..."
I ordered the Last Queen, you and Donna have me convinced it's a winner! I also ordered Sunne in Splendour.
You all are such great resources.
Thanks again for the suggestion.

Thanks! I'm now looking forward to reading my copy.

Yes, we did read The Last Queen as a group read here (last August I believe). I'm pretty sure C.W. Gortner is a member of this group (at least I know he was at one time).

AFTER READING: Wow, another 5 star..."
I'm SO glad you enjoyed this book and that you've discovered this genre! Sure, there will be some fluff every now and then (depends on the author mostly), but there are so many great books and authors that focus on the things you described in your review.
Unfortunately I don't know a good book about Charles (or well, any book about Charles). We were actually just discussing that in another thread here (I think called HRE Charles). He's such a huge player during that time period, and no one can think of a book about him!

Thanks for sharing this!

Wish I'd known this before I spent $15 on my copy of "Sunne in Splendour"....

It is fun that we will be discussing The Last Queen August15-Sept15.
Sara, I saw that you have read it but preferred Plaidy's book on Juana. Hmm, maybe I should read that too! Susan, Dinant's In the Company of the Courtesan is not primarily about European royalty. However it is the book that got me interested in the genre and it did discuss Charles V and his role in the Roman siege which triggered the main characters move to Venice. Venice was accurately depicted. After reading Dinant's book I also wanted to read more about the glassworks in Murano. I highly recommend the book. Please remeber if I do not respond it is not due to rudeness but to getting lost in all the discussions. I love the group but please understand if I mess things up. SIGH. Yes, I am slso quite tired b/c I get very little sleep due to Oscar. Getting him house trained is something else. I have never before had a dog that cannot hold himself during the nights. I get up 3 times a night! It is like having a baby. Oh and I am loving Sharon Penman's When Christ and His Saints Slept. I hope you both see this message......

I'll definitely be picking it up - after I've read down the pile in my bedroom, I mean!

I have! Thanks Chrissie! I still don't understand how to follow the whole site either. Live and learn!



I will try to post a thread discussing how the entire group is set up. It did not start like this, believe me!

Chrissie, I'm sorry you're having problems finding your way around the threads. We actually discussed The Last Queen last year, but when I post the thread discussing how the entire group is set up, I will tell you how to get to those threads so you can read them (and comment if you want to).

Thanks Sara!



He can definitely get under your skin! I looked back and couldn't find which book you are reading. What is it?

Chrissie, it helps to go to Home at the top of any page you're on and it will show you on the left which group you've visited like European Royalty. You can then click on expand and it will show you all the threads in this category.
If you pick groups at the top of the page, it will show you all the groups that are out there. There are a ton,but if you look around there's a search on the right to use to find groups with threads that appeal to you.
That's about the extent of my knowledge so far. Hope it helps!


You're welcome! I'm glad you enjoy it!



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You and Robin now have me feeling foolish. I was swayed by others and bought the first 2 even though I really don't like vampire books. Friends told me they were addictive because they were so good.
I think I value your opinions more because you're both real readers. They were cheap, could always be swapped or donated.


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