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Gary wrote: "Financial analysts are hardly disinterested observers. The GOP health plan, as written now, would be a major transfer of wealth from the middle-class and poor to the wealthy. The rational being tha..."
And how many times DO we have to prove by trial that this doesn't work at all? I'd like to say they are idiots, but that's not it. They are corrupt. Also immoral and pretty much without compassion.
And how many times DO we have to prove by trial that this doesn't work at all? I'd like to say they are idiots, but that's not it. They are corrupt. Also immoral and pretty much without compassion.

Rebecca wrote: "Gary wrote: "Financial analysts are hardly disinterested observers. The GOP health plan, as written now, would be a major transfer of wealth from the middle-class and poor to the wealthy. The ratio..."
There's actually a much simpler explanation for "Trickle Down Economics" failure. Creating manufacturing jobs, an investor can expect a return on investment of about 7.9% (S&P 500, 2006 survey). On the other hand, investing in financial services -- an increasingly large percentage of our GDP which creates almost no jobs -- offers returns that are significantly higher. Depending on risk, an investor can reap as much as a 100% return in the short term. (Russian bonds, for example.)
If you're somewhat sociopathic and have made the accumulation of wealth your primary focus in life, a single digit return, no matter how many jobs it would create, is not appealing.
There's actually a much simpler explanation for "Trickle Down Economics" failure. Creating manufacturing jobs, an investor can expect a return on investment of about 7.9% (S&P 500, 2006 survey). On the other hand, investing in financial services -- an increasingly large percentage of our GDP which creates almost no jobs -- offers returns that are significantly higher. Depending on risk, an investor can reap as much as a 100% return in the short term. (Russian bonds, for example.)
If you're somewhat sociopathic and have made the accumulation of wealth your primary focus in life, a single digit return, no matter how many jobs it would create, is not appealing.
The land grab begins...
EPA dismisses half of key board’s scientific advisers; Interior suspends more than 200 advisory panels
...will effectively freeze the work of the Bureau of Land Management’s 38 resource advisory councils, along with other panels focused on a range of issues, from one assessing the threat of invasive species to the science technical advisory panel for Alaska’s North Slope.
...Bureau of Land Management’s regional advisory councils include officials from the energy and outdoor recreation industry as well as scientists and conservationists... “The only reasonable explanation is they don’t want to be hearing from these folks,” he [Greg Zimmerman, deputy director of the non-partisan advocacy group Center for Western Priorities] said.
Unfortunately, this administration does not understand that 'partisan science' is NOT science.
EPA dismisses half of key board’s scientific advisers; Interior suspends more than 200 advisory panels
...will effectively freeze the work of the Bureau of Land Management’s 38 resource advisory councils, along with other panels focused on a range of issues, from one assessing the threat of invasive species to the science technical advisory panel for Alaska’s North Slope.
...Bureau of Land Management’s regional advisory councils include officials from the energy and outdoor recreation industry as well as scientists and conservationists... “The only reasonable explanation is they don’t want to be hearing from these folks,” he [Greg Zimmerman, deputy director of the non-partisan advocacy group Center for Western Priorities] said.
Unfortunately, this administration does not understand that 'partisan science' is NOT science.
Scott wrote: "If a tree falls in the forest, but Congress doesn't ratify it, does it make a sound?"
When he's finished his business, ask the bear.
When he's finished his business, ask the bear.
Providing for the common good, making people feel secure in their communities and homes - this is the central job of government. it's why all of us are here serving our state and our people.
John Baldacci
Governor of Maine, 2003 - 2011
US House of Representatives, 1995 - 2003

CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE COST ESTIMATE
In 2026, an estimated 52 million people would be uninsured, compared with 28 million who would lack insurance that year under current law.
If you're in trouble, or hurt or need - go to the poor people. They're the only ones that'll help - the only ones.
John Steinbeck
John Baldacci
Governor of Maine, 2003 - 2011
US House of Representatives, 1995 - 2003

CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE COST ESTIMATE
In 2026, an estimated 52 million people would be uninsured, compared with 28 million who would lack insurance that year under current law.
If you're in trouble, or hurt or need - go to the poor people. They're the only ones that'll help - the only ones.
John Steinbeck
Scott wrote: "If a meteor landed on Paul Ryan's face, I wouldn't be sad."
Seriously? No self-respecting meteor...
Seriously? No self-respecting meteor...
Jay wrote: "Scott wrote: "If a meteor landed on Paul Ryan's face, I wouldn't be sad."
Seriously? No self-respecting meteor..."
Perhaps a hunk of space debris? I hear they're not as discriminating.
Seriously? No self-respecting meteor..."
Perhaps a hunk of space debris? I hear they're not as discriminating.
The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and these are ignorance, superstition and incompetence.
Elbert Hubbard
Elbert Hubbard



Elbert Hubbard
"As a friend said, this is the problem in a nutshell
“How does someone like me know what’s true and what’s not?” she says. “I’m 54 years old. I don’t watch the news. I don’t listen to the news on the radio. Then when I’m on the internet, and I see something where I’m like, ‘Holy shit, really?,’ I’m led down this path of believing it". From: https://www.theguardian.com/environme...
Gary wrote: "As a friend said, this is the problem in a nuts..."
Good article, Gary. It raised several points that are worthy of separate followup articles:
1. Only 5% of Americans believe in chemtrails, but plenty more share a similar, deep-seated dread about the planet’s future.
--Much of the willingness to believe outright crap is fear-based.
2. Primary experiences, they suggest, are a more trustworthy gauge of truth than scientific consensus or the mainstream news.
--Even a poor scientist can tell you that primary experience is worthless without objective and, above all, verifiable interpretation, however this fails to have any impact on the general public who more than willingly 'believe their own eyes.'
3. Roughly 68% of Americans share this distrust in mass media. Instead of the news, Rob says he gets his information from friends he respects.
--While the media has its flaws - as does all human activity - it tends to be self-correcting over time, especially with competition between media outlets (which should be encouraged). However, many people are more willing to believe a neighbor over a back fence than The New York Times somewhat-based on a simplistic 'fool me once...' philosophy. Conspiracy theorists never consider asking if their neighbor has an editor and a fact-checker.
Science is beginning to address the need for presenting facts with an emotional context in order for the truth to reach more people. While this should increase positive results (Sway the jury, so to speak.), it's a remarkable commentary on our society when easily-verifiable truth must be sugarcoated to be believed.
Good article, Gary. It raised several points that are worthy of separate followup articles:
1. Only 5% of Americans believe in chemtrails, but plenty more share a similar, deep-seated dread about the planet’s future.
--Much of the willingness to believe outright crap is fear-based.
2. Primary experiences, they suggest, are a more trustworthy gauge of truth than scientific consensus or the mainstream news.
--Even a poor scientist can tell you that primary experience is worthless without objective and, above all, verifiable interpretation, however this fails to have any impact on the general public who more than willingly 'believe their own eyes.'
3. Roughly 68% of Americans share this distrust in mass media. Instead of the news, Rob says he gets his information from friends he respects.
--While the media has its flaws - as does all human activity - it tends to be self-correcting over time, especially with competition between media outlets (which should be encouraged). However, many people are more willing to believe a neighbor over a back fence than The New York Times somewhat-based on a simplistic 'fool me once...' philosophy. Conspiracy theorists never consider asking if their neighbor has an editor and a fact-checker.
Science is beginning to address the need for presenting facts with an emotional context in order for the truth to reach more people. While this should increase positive results (Sway the jury, so to speak.), it's a remarkable commentary on our society when easily-verifiable truth must be sugarcoated to be believed.

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Trump's visit to Israel went as expected.
Gary wrote: "As a friend said, this is the problem in a nutshell
“How does someone like me know what’s true and what’s not?” she says. “I’m 54 years old. I don’t watch the news. I don’t listen to the news on the radio. Then when I’m on the internet, and I see something where I’m like, ‘Holy shit, really?,’ I’m led down this path of believing it"."
Great article, Gary. Thanks for posting.
So many claims of "nothing will change my mind" and "my gut tells me" - perhaps not so coincidentally the same phrases uttered by Trump voters.
“How does someone like me know what’s true and what’s not?” she says. “I’m 54 years old. I don’t watch the news. I don’t listen to the news on the radio. Then when I’m on the internet, and I see something where I’m like, ‘Holy shit, really?,’ I’m led down this path of believing it"."
Great article, Gary. Thanks for posting.
So many claims of "nothing will change my mind" and "my gut tells me" - perhaps not so coincidentally the same phrases uttered by Trump voters.
Silent but deadly: Texas will allow hunters to kill pigs from hot air balloons
...Mark Keough, a state Republican, said last month that the hot air balloon approach would help hunters outwit the “smart” feral hogs.
I can certainly sympathize with hardworking farmers who have their crops destroyed by wild animals, however aerial attacks seem a little unfair unless the pigs are also allowed to raise an air force.
Secondly, I'm glad Republican Mark Keough has assisted Texas hunters, who, apparently up to now, have been unable to outwit a pig. Giving these huntersan IQ test guns, aircraft and permission to strafe from the air seems deranged very Republican.
...Mark Keough, a state Republican, said last month that the hot air balloon approach would help hunters outwit the “smart” feral hogs.
I can certainly sympathize with hardworking farmers who have their crops destroyed by wild animals, however aerial attacks seem a little unfair unless the pigs are also allowed to raise an air force.
Secondly, I'm glad Republican Mark Keough has assisted Texas hunters, who, apparently up to now, have been unable to outwit a pig. Giving these hunters

Gary wrote: "The balloons will be moving--and probably the pigs, too. The ability of these geniuses to compensate for both has yet to be tested with guns that may have a range of nearly a mile. A push from a ge..."
This seems like a viable objection. The destruction caused by the feral pigs (and these guys aren't cute little Porky Pig, trust me) leads me to move away from my usual stance and cheer damn near anything that will help reduce their numbers.
This seems like a viable objection. The destruction caused by the feral pigs (and these guys aren't cute little Porky Pig, trust me) leads me to move away from my usual stance and cheer damn near anything that will help reduce their numbers.
Rebecca wrote: "The destruction caused by the feral pigs (and these guys aren't cute little Porky Pig, trust me) leads me to move away from my usual stance and cheer damn near anything that will help reduce their numbers."
I have to agree with you, Rebecca, but aerial shooting? I think 'Feral Porky' is still safe.
I understand a farmer's need to control destructive wildlife, however since deer and wolf can be kept in check with periodic hunts on the ground, it begs the question, how are feral pigs different? Surely, there are enough active hunters in Texas to control wildlife populations without resorting to aerial attacks. And a temporary bounty to bring down the pig population has to be more cost effective than hot air balloons.
Also... What does it take to shoot effectively at long distances from a moving platform? Consider this quote from the Navy SEAL Sniper School website:
Sniper school is one of the very few courses a SEAL will not be looked down upon for failing to complete. It’s an unwritten rule that you don’t give guys a hard time for washing out of sniper school. Because the course is known for its insane difficulty, just being selected or volunteering to go automatically elicits respect in the teams.
Somehow, I think yahoos and Budweiser in a hot air balloon are going to be more of a threat to people and property than the pigs.
I have to agree with you, Rebecca, but aerial shooting? I think 'Feral Porky' is still safe.
I understand a farmer's need to control destructive wildlife, however since deer and wolf can be kept in check with periodic hunts on the ground, it begs the question, how are feral pigs different? Surely, there are enough active hunters in Texas to control wildlife populations without resorting to aerial attacks. And a temporary bounty to bring down the pig population has to be more cost effective than hot air balloons.
Also... What does it take to shoot effectively at long distances from a moving platform? Consider this quote from the Navy SEAL Sniper School website:
Sniper school is one of the very few courses a SEAL will not be looked down upon for failing to complete. It’s an unwritten rule that you don’t give guys a hard time for washing out of sniper school. Because the course is known for its insane difficulty, just being selected or volunteering to go automatically elicits respect in the teams.
Somehow, I think yahoos and Budweiser in a hot air balloon are going to be more of a threat to people and property than the pigs.

As I think we've all learned in this past year, sometimes pigs fly.
Gary wrote: "Jay wrote: "...it begs the question, how are feral pigs different?"
As I think we've all learned in this past year, sometimes pigs fly."
And sometimes they even get to fly in Air Force One.
As I think we've all learned in this past year, sometimes pigs fly."
And sometimes they even get to fly in Air Force One.

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This is only going to increase immigration.

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This study only cost 7 millions dollars.
Trumpville excepted, most of the world is focused on climate change, all well and good. However, it must be said that there are other crises arising, often without notice, that may not be foremost in our minds, but nonetheless DEMAND our attention. Consider...
Sacré beurre: fears over croissant price hike as France faces butter shortage
Price of butter has rocketed 92% in a year and bakers are warning of a strong risk that the key ingredient is ‘running out’
This may be the worst crisis in European history. As you may know, a Frenchman cannot eat without butter...it's just not done. A butter shortage could cause both untold misery and, dare I say it, weight loss. While the world has become inured to African famines, we must prepare ourselves for the extreme, nay the abysmal shock of haute cuisine cooked with....Forgive me, Pierre!....margarine.
Americans owe a debt to the French for their invaluable military assistance during the American Revolution. It is now time to repay that debt. Waste no time! Buy a cow and a butter churn today, and ship the fruits of your labors to Paris immediately.
REMEMBER: The life you save may be the inventor of French Fries.
Sacré beurre: fears over croissant price hike as France faces butter shortage
Price of butter has rocketed 92% in a year and bakers are warning of a strong risk that the key ingredient is ‘running out’
This may be the worst crisis in European history. As you may know, a Frenchman cannot eat without butter...it's just not done. A butter shortage could cause both untold misery and, dare I say it, weight loss. While the world has become inured to African famines, we must prepare ourselves for the extreme, nay the abysmal shock of haute cuisine cooked with....Forgive me, Pierre!....margarine.
Americans owe a debt to the French for their invaluable military assistance during the American Revolution. It is now time to repay that debt. Waste no time! Buy a cow and a butter churn today, and ship the fruits of your labors to Paris immediately.
REMEMBER: The life you save may be the inventor of French Fries.

When the last bagel is buttered, only then will we realize we can't eat petroleum.
May we have a moment of silence for the passing of one of comedy's greatest punchlines.
Fox News drops 'fair and balanced' slogan
Fox News drops 'fair and balanced' slogan

Like Joan Rivers at an Improv in the 1980s, I'm going to steal that line at the first available opportunity.
Scott wrote: "When the last bagel is buttered, only then will we realize we can't eat petroleum."
Good point, however that brings up a common misconception. Modern agriculture is based on petroleum. A diesel tractor and a combine can feed hundreds more people than a mule and a scythe.
Good point, however that brings up a common misconception. Modern agriculture is based on petroleum. A diesel tractor and a combine can feed hundreds more people than a mule and a scythe.
Gary wrote: "Like Joan Rivers at an Improv in the 1980s, I'm going to steal that line at the first available opportunity."
It's a comedy tradition. I believe it was Milton Berle who said, "I know a good joke when I steal one."
It's a comedy tradition. I believe it was Milton Berle who said, "I know a good joke when I steal one."

Scott wrote: "When Milton Berle was on TV, there was only one channel, and everyone watched. Now everyone has their own channel, and Milton Berle must spend eternity watching each one."
Good line, Scott, but... A little sophomoric history:
In Milton Berle's day, there were three major channels (Networks: NBC - founded 1947, ABC and CBS - 1948) until the expansion of UHF, which was pioneered by the DuMont network that had a limited broadcast area and ceased operation in 1956. UHF required an extra antenna and converter box for most televisions. but added another three channels.
Milton Berle, who began his career as the model for the Buster Brown Shoe Boy, is credited with selling more televisions than any other market influence. Everyone in America wanted to see Uncle Miltie (AKA Mr. Television), and people who didn't own a television often gathered in stores that sold TVs to see him each week as host of the Texaco Star Theater (1948 - 1955).
I don't know about eternity, but he'll certainly live on in reruns and documentaries about television's "Golden Age."
Good line, Scott, but... A little sophomoric history:
In Milton Berle's day, there were three major channels (Networks: NBC - founded 1947, ABC and CBS - 1948) until the expansion of UHF, which was pioneered by the DuMont network that had a limited broadcast area and ceased operation in 1956. UHF required an extra antenna and converter box for most televisions. but added another three channels.
Milton Berle, who began his career as the model for the Buster Brown Shoe Boy, is credited with selling more televisions than any other market influence. Everyone in America wanted to see Uncle Miltie (AKA Mr. Television), and people who didn't own a television often gathered in stores that sold TVs to see him each week as host of the Texaco Star Theater (1948 - 1955).
I don't know about eternity, but he'll certainly live on in reruns and documentaries about television's "Golden Age."
Tomorrow, theoretically, we'll get a look at the Tip-Tip-Tippy-Top-Secret GOP Healthcare Bill, which even most Republican senators have yet to see. With luck, they'll force a vote on the bill next week before anyone has a chance to analyze and discuss it.
The most fun, of course, will be seeing how they spin this as aterrorist attack democratic process.
When even Trump calls the bill, "mean" -- Whoa! Stay tuned with baited breath, which may or may not be covered as a pre-existing condition.
The most fun, of course, will be seeing how they spin this as a
When even Trump calls the bill, "mean" -- Whoa! Stay tuned with baited breath, which may or may not be covered as a pre-existing condition.

Jay wrote: "Tomorrow, theoretically, we'll get a look at the Tip-Tip-Tippy-Top-Secret GOP Healthcare Bill, which even most Republican senators have yet to see. With luck, they'll force a vote on the bill next ..."
Great toon, and great quip about the pre-existing condition.
Great toon, and great quip about the pre-existing condition.

Good line,..."
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