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message 801: by Guy (new)

Guy Portman (guyportman) | 355 comments I'm from the UK and I still can't decide whether staying or leaving is better, so I didn't vote. Off on holiday soon and concerned that a Leave vote will result in the pound losing value against the dollar and most other foreign currencies. Some economists are predicting a 20% fall against the dollar, which is concerning.


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Melki | 3540 comments Mod
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message 803: by Joel (new)

Joel Bresler | 1587 comments Mod
I've never understood how requiring someone to prove they're who they say they are to cast a ballot is racist. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.


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Melki | 3540 comments Mod
Joel wrote: "I've never understood how requiring someone to prove they're who they say they are to cast a ballot is racist. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me."

That's because you're an upper middle class white man who has a driver's license. Not everyone is so lucky.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/a...

https://www.rt.com/usa/338706-republi...


message 805: by Will (new)

Will Once (willonce) | 445 comments In Great Britain, you don't need any identification to vote. You don't even need your polling card. You simply walk up to the poll clerk and say "I am Fred Smith of Acacia Avenue" or whatever.

The poll clerk looks at the electoral register to see if Fred Smith has already voted. If they haven't, the clerk asks "Are you Fred Smith of Acacia Avenue?"

If the voter says "yes" - and for some odd reason they nearly always feel the need to make a joke at this point - you hand them a ballot paper and smile sweetly.

No ID needed. No driving license. Just trust.

And somehow it works.


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Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Will wrote: "In Great Britain, you don't need any identification to vote. You don't even need your polling card. You simply walk up to the poll clerk and say "I am Fred Smith of Acacia Avenue" or whatever."

It's different in the US because we have a massive voter fraud problem...er...uh... On second thought, there is absolutely no evidence of voter fraud being anything but a very few isolated instances.

Actually, what we have is extremists that one of our major political parties has allowed to overrule common sense.


message 807: by Will (new)

Will Once (willonce) | 445 comments Jay wrote: "Actually, what we have is extremists that one of our major political parties has allowed to overrule common sense. "

Ah yes, we have that too.


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Joel Bresler | 1587 comments Mod
Melki wrote: "Joel wrote: "I've never understood how requiring someone to prove they're who they say they are to cast a ballot is racist. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me."

That's because you're an upper middl..."


Are only licensed drivers allowed to vote in PA?


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Rodney Carlson (rodneycarlson) | 617 comments We got Brexit. What's next? Grexit. Departugal. Italeave. Fruckoff. Czechout. Oustria. Finish. Slovakout. Latervia. Byegium.


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Melki | 3540 comments Mod
Joel wrote: "Are only licensed drivers allowed to vote in PA? "

Photo ID, which is difficult to obtain for some people, is required in some states.

In PA, you prove your identity when you register to vote. At the polling place your signature is checked against the record.

You really can't pretend that requiring ID is anything other than an attempt by Republicans to keep people of color from voting for Democrats.


message 811: by Melki (new)

Melki | 3540 comments Mod
Rodney wrote: "We got Brexit. What's next? Grexit. Departugal. Italeave. Fruckoff. Czechout. Oustria. Finish. Slovakout. Latervia. Byegium."

Well done, Rodney!


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Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Rodney wrote: "We got Brexit. What's next? Grexit. Departugal. Italeave. Fruckoff. Czechout. Oustria. Finish. Slovakout. Latervia. Byegium."

Excellent!


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Joel Bresler | 1587 comments Mod
Melki wrote: "Joel wrote: "Are only licensed drivers allowed to vote in PA? "

Photo ID, which is difficult to obtain for some people, is required in some states.

In PA, you prove your identity when you regist..."


The only people photo IDs discriminate against are vampires. If you want to believe they are a Republican conspiracy against creatures of the night, you might be on to something.


message 814: by Melki (new)

Melki | 3540 comments Mod
It seems buyer's remorse is setting in already in the UK:

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/24/12024634...

You never think your vote is going to matter . . . until it does.


message 815: by Melki (new)

Melki | 3540 comments Mod
Joel wrote: "The only people photo IDs discriminate against are vampires. If you want to believe they are a Republican conspiracy against creatures of the night, you might be on to something. "

Well that would just be cutting biting their own throats. Everyone knows vampires vote Republican.


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Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Melki wrote: "It seems buyer's remorse is setting in already in the UK:

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/24/12024634...

You never think your vote is going to matter . . . until it does."


It seems the vote to leave also split between younger (stay) and older (leave) voters. It will be interesting to see how the Brits deal with this generational split, especially since it will be the younger voters who have to live with the results.


message 817: by Will (new)

Will Once (willonce) | 445 comments Brexit is not a done deal yet. Someone - probably Boris Johnson - is going to have to form a Government when his party is deeply divided. That won't be easy.

The majority of MPs don't want Brexit, so there is an outside chance that Parliament may refuse to adopt the referendum (it is only a recommendation). And there's a petition with more than 2 million signatures calling for a second referendum.

There is an outside chance that sanity will prevail.


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Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Will wrote: "Brexit is not a done deal yet. Someone - probably Boris Johnson - is going to have to form a Government when his party is deeply divided. That won't be easy.

The majority of MPs don't want Brexit..."


If nothing else, Will, it's great political theater!


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Will Once (willonce) | 445 comments Unless you live here!


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Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Will wrote: "Unless you live here!"

Well, at least our upcoming election need not be a disaster as long as all the ballots have a write-in option?


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Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
It seems the markets, the media, and everyone who can draw a cartoon are responding badly to the Brexit vote. Since the referendum isn't binding, do any of our British members think that Parliament will override the vote and decide to stay in the EU?

What's the 'feel' on the ground over there across the pond?


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message 822: by Rodney (new)

Rodney Carlson (rodneycarlson) | 617 comments description

Things are getting out of control...


message 823: by Will (new)

Will Once (willonce) | 445 comments Jay - it's very difficult for any politician to ignore the will of the people. So far most of the senior people are saying that the referendum has to be honoured.

I do detect the beginning of a backlash, but that might just be wishful thinking.


message 824: by Guy (new)

Guy Portman (guyportman) | 355 comments Will wrote: "Jay - it's very difficult for any politician to ignore the will of the people. So far most of the senior people are saying that the referendum has to be honoured.

I do detect the beginning of a ba..."


I suspect it is wishful thinking Will. Hopefully things will work out okay in the end.


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Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Interesting international survey from Pew Research:

As Obama Years Draw to Close, President and U.S. Seen Favorably in Europe and Asia

Few overseas confident that Trump can handle foreign policy

It appears our allies are just as disturbed about the presidential election as many Americans.


message 826: by Will (new)

Will Once (willonce) | 445 comments Hell, yes.


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Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
The foreign press is a little more candid than our own media in covering the presidential campaign.

The lies Trump told this week: from US trade policies to his own campaign

Note, the article only covers "lies...told this week."

I don't think we've ever had a presidential nominee that was so little respected around the world.


message 828: by Melki (new)

Melki | 3540 comments Mod
Jay wrote: "The foreign press is a little more candid than our own media in covering the presidential campaign.


The lies Trump told this week: from US trade policies to his own campaign


Note, the article..."


I'm starting to think the American public has trouble telling the difference between the truth and a lie. Jimmy Kimmel has a nifty little piece on lying liars:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gthEk...


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Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Normally, I don't believe in Karma, but...


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message 830: by Melki (new)

Melki | 3540 comments Mod
Jay wrote: "Normally, I don't believe in Karma, but..."

Priceless!


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Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Apparently, a secretary of state has to be a Democrat to warrant a FBI investigation.

THE SHOCKING TRUTH: COLIN POWELL’S EMAILS DON’T MATTER

"The shocking truth about the last two Republican secretaries of state has finally come out: Colin Powell and aides to Condoleezza Rice trafficked in classified information on their personal email accounts. This is an enormous scandal!

Oh, wait. No, it’s not."


So, what's the bottom line on Hillary's Frankenstein (never dying) emails?

Who FREAKIN' cares?

Yes, it's FAIR to say than our senators and congressmen don't want you looking into their email accounts. It's FAIR to say that Republican secretaries of state are just as sloppy about classified material as the Democrats, and --SHOCKER-- they could even have transmitted more than 0.7 percent of their emails with a mention of classified material.

Yes, our public officials are HUMAN, and they're sometimes sloppy about national security, but who the hell in Washington isn't???? It's only useful when partisan politicos need something to whine about, or need to manufacture a "scandal."

Is anyone else as tired of this BS "news story" as I am?


message 832: by Melki (new)

Melki | 3540 comments Mod
Jay wrote: "Is anyone else as tired of this BS "news story" as I am? "

It's obvious there was no criminal intent. Let's move on to the next Clinton scandal, please.


message 833: by Melki (new)

Melki | 3540 comments Mod
Oops - sorry - can't move on just yet. First we have to waste MORE of my tax money on MORE investigations.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/06/politic...

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message 834: by Melki (new)

Melki | 3540 comments Mod
I think the Brits have the right idea.

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Let's investigate some former political figures for war profiteering.


message 835: by Jilly (new)

Jilly Gagnon (jillygagnon) | 147 comments Just popping into one of my favorite threads to say hello! I've been MIA from basically the entire internet lately--sudden move precipitated by other unexpected awfulness--but I'm trying to emerge again.

Hope y'all enjoyed the forced patriotism of the fourth. I, for one, find fireworks magical enough to ignore even the most Bud-light-fueled idiocy dressed in flag trunks.


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Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Personally, I'd rather have the spanking.


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message 837: by Jilly (new)

Jilly Gagnon (jillygagnon) | 147 comments Aww, but they also gave us kid-sized wayfarers. Worth it?


message 838: by Jay (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
For those who want to keep up to date:

The lies Trump told this week

It's just so easy when even the foreign press is fact-checking Donaldspeak.


message 839: by Jay (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Interesting take on Brexit:

Brexit: LSE expert says EU referendum was a 'draw' and UK exit will not happen

“Can the UK survive outside the EU? I don’t see how, because there’s no political will in Scotland and Northern Ireland to remain in the UK if it leaves the EU.”

Any thoughts from Brit members?


message 840: by Will (new)

Will Once (willonce) | 445 comments It's an opinion. Some parts of the argument don't quite work. The EU referendum can't be considered a 2-2 draw because it wasn't established as a national vote. It was a simple "winner take all" binary choice with no threshold for a clear decision.

But there is a serious debate going on about what happens next. Some are arguing that the Prime Minister (whoever she is) can trigger article 50 on her own decision. Others are arguing that Parliament would have to decide. Yet others are saying that there would need to be a second referendum and/or a general election.

It's all a bit of a mess.


message 841: by Joel (new)

Joel Bresler | 1587 comments Mod
What do you folks across the pond think of your new PM? And admit it - won't you miss SamCam, at least a little?


message 842: by Will (new)

Will Once (willonce) | 445 comments Our new PM? Opinion seems to be massively divided, as with most things in UK politics these days.

The conservative party are doing what they do best. They are being very professional and coordinated. Their plan is to close ranks and unite behind Theresa May, whatever their views about her.

The general public seem to be a little cooler. I'm not detecting any thoughts of people getting the PM we've always wanted. She has slipped under the radar a bit. "best of a bad lot" is one sentiment I am hearing.

The people who voted to leave are mostly supportive, although there is some nervousness about whether she really means it when she says that brexit means brexit. She was not a hardline leaver in the referendum.

Those who voted to remain are mostly feeling a bit ignored at the moment. There isn't an effective opposition to the tories unless you are in scotland. Appointing Boris to be the foreign secretary is not a popular move by many who voted remain. He is seen by many as the chief liar of the leave campaign.

It's all a bit of a mess. Theresa May's strategy seems to be refuse any further referendum, independent investigation or snap general election. Instead we are going to rush into brexit within the next 12 months and the public don't get a say in it until the general election of 2020.


message 843: by Jay (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Somehow, I get the feeling that the fellow who wrote this isn't alone.


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message 844: by Brenda (new)

Brenda Kearns (brendakearns) | 719 comments Jay wrote: "Somehow, I get the feeling that the fellow who wrote this isn't alone.
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I LIKE coleslaw - didn't realize I was in the running for this! (is it okay for Canadians to submit their resume??)


message 845: by Jay (new)

Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
A 'Just Out of Curiosity' post.

For those of you interested in what it looks like when a moderate Muslim speaks out against the acceptance of extremism and violence, I thought you might find this Op-Ed interesting:

Hatred, violence and the sad demise of Yusuf Al Qaradawi

This is from The National, Abu Dhabi Media's first English-language publication.


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Jay Cole (jay_cole) | 5436 comments Mod
Finally, a practical solution!


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message 847: by Melki (new)

Melki | 3540 comments Mod
Jay wrote: "Finally, a practical solution!"

Like Key and Peele's hoodie - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztRSm... - an idea whose time has come.


message 848: by Joel (last edited Jul 16, 2016 09:08AM) (new)

Joel Bresler | 1587 comments Mod
I just finished a book on the Spanish Civil War, about which I'd known very little. The parallels to some of what's going on today are acute. Other nations were faced with a real Hobson's choice: support the Republic, consisting of communists and anarchists; or the rebel fascists. Other than the USSR on one side and Germany and Italy on the other, pretty much everyone else pretended to observe an international non-intervention agreement. As they learned, the saying "Not to decide is to decide" can yield consequences nobody likes.
Also, after reading this, and to paraphrase Basil Fawlty, it's amazing they were ever able to put together an armada.


message 849: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Douglass (rdouglass) | 2433 comments Mod
Well, yes, but don't forget--it sank!


message 850: by Joel (new)

Joel Bresler | 1587 comments Mod
Okay, so the Republican Party nominating convention is being televised on every network in America. Just for Ss & Gs I had it on for a little while. I think what surprises me the most is that the delegates and other attendees actually paid to be there. There has to be a way to make money off people like this...


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