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stig Like every other goodreads trivia question is about HOLES. I need to read it. There are only a few trivia questions about MacBeth, tons about HOLES.


message 2: by Matthew (last edited Jan 25, 2014 12:09AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Matthew Williams Wow... that was a waste of time. A rambling, ranting complaint punctuated by a ton of swearing. And at its core, the usual complaints teenagers say about Shakespeare: boring and I didn't get it. Got news for you, that doesn't make a literary work bad. And just because you have an opinion doesn't mean that it's accurate or people need to hear it.


Linda Kelly Well said Matthew!


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Don can anyone write a detailed analysis of Lady Macbeth for me. I m struggling to understand her character


Christine Don -- Lady MacBeth is the ruthless and overly ambitious force behind her husband. I'd say she is 'worse' than he is because she is the one who really plants the seeds and encourages him to murder the King. Her obsessive/compulsive washing of her hands shows that towards the end she has some remorse, bordering on insanity. I always thought everything would have been fine if Lady MacBeth did not start tampering with her husband's psyche and self esteem,therefore making him feel the need to go through with the murder. She really is an important character in this play.


Eman Alagdar After studying macbeth i think its better to live today with out thinking what will happen tomorrow as if we know the future that may change us


Eman Alagdar The passion of power kills people
Search for power as u r killing your self like macbeth
He was a greedy man and interested in power so at the end his passion killed him


message 8: by Duane (last edited Dec 01, 2014 08:59PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Duane Don wrote: "can anyone write a detailed analysis of Lady Macbeth for me. I m struggling to understand her character"

Hmmm... You know what? Go read the descriptions of the behavior of the women of the aristocracy of ancient Rome in Tacitus' "Annals". Lady MacBeth would have been right at home there.

My take on it is that women who were more or less second-class citizens in those societies - completely subject to their husbands, unable to inherit, unable to take place in the political process, etc. - found other means (such as treachery and murder) to realize their goals. That was unarguably true in Rome...

In fact, you could just read up on Livia, wife of Augustus, and you'd have Lady MacBeth in spades.


mkfs Christine wrote: "She really is an important character in this play"

Perhaps the most important character. I re-read Macbeth last year, and was struck by how hen-pecked a husband Macbeth was.

Duane wrote: "In fact, you could just read up on Livia, wife of Augustus, and you'd have Lady MacBeth in spades."

Nice. Yep. that's the type all right. I should spend some time with Holinshed to see how much of Lady Macbeth's character was an invention of Shakespeare. He did have a thing for Rome, after all.


message 10: by Duane (last edited Dec 03, 2014 12:38AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Duane I wondered about that... But for that matter he had the more contemporary Lucrezia Borgia on which to model a Murdering Bitch character, (if a model were needed at all...)


Matthew Williams Don't forget Cersei Lannister. Martin drew a lot of inspiration from the disenfranchised-turned-evil ladies of history when he crafted her (perhaps too much and too obviously).


Renee E Duane wrote: "I wondered about that... But for that matter he had the more contemporary Lucrezia Borgia on which to model a Murdering Bitch character, (if a model were needed at all...)"

Actually, more accurate histories have exonerated Lucretia. It was her brother, Cesare, who was the dangerous one. Lucretia was largely a pawn in his and their father's games, married off for political advantage and Borgia access. After all, a brother should be able to visit his sister, no?

She often gets confused with Catherine de Medici and her nefarious exploits as well. Now Catherine was a real bitch.


Duane Yeah, I seem to recall that... and the "Experts" are always hard at work either exonerating or indicting somebody (in search of a Ph. D. thesis if nothing else)

But there were all manner of women - particularly in Italy for some reason - who were contemporary with Shakespeare and who could have served as "Inspiration" for Lady Macbeth, if he'd needed any inspiration.

Actually, knowing Shakespeare, he probably based the character on the wife of some nobleman with whom he was friendly (maybe even the Queen, although that's always dangerous territory...), so whoever the friend was could needle his wife about it


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Macbeth is a tragic hero, he has hubris written all over him.


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I actually really like Lady Macbeth. I mean she's absolutely malevolent at the best of times but you sort of have to admire the way she took control of her relationship (considering the fact that a woman was supposed to be subservient to her husband then) and to a certain extent her 'evil' was inspired by her love for Macbeth. It's easy to blame her for the play's events but in the end, she can't be entirely condemned. Macbeth was always going to kill Duncan -- we sort of get this sense in the scene prior to his killing where he lists reasons why he shouldn't do it in a soliloquy. I find it funny that he never presents these reasons to Lady Macbeth. Perhaps this is indication that he didn't want to be persuaded to not do it? And what about the Witches? They're the ones who pushed Macbeth towards the idea anyway!

Let's cut Lady Macbeth some slack, please.


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