Finnegans Wake Grappa discussion
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Terrific resource that I will be making use of. Thanks, Nathan.
On The Simpsons Marge's sister Patty had this book on her bookshelf:
If you click on it, you can hear Mr. Joyce HISownSELF reading Anna Livia Plurabellelettres.
The Finnegans Wake film by Mary Ellen Bute (1906-1983).http://www.ubu.com/film/joyce_wake.html
Based on Mary Manning's theater piece, Passages from Finnegans Wake.
From the Production Note by the playwright, Mary Manning:
"It is important that any director of Finnegan should avoid phoney brogues. Joyce has given the actor everything he needs; by clever phonetical spelling and rhythmical arrangements of sentences he has produced the lilting drawl of the Dubliner. Stage Irishisms would inevitably vulgarize the production. Finnegan has little to do with leprechauns, wee folk, or indeed, any shamroguery. There were no roses round the door of 'the Haunted Inkbottle, no number, Brimstone Walk, Asia in Ireland.'" [my emphasis because, well....]
Nathan "N.R." wrote: "The Finnegans Wake film by Mary Ellen Bute (1906-1983).http://www.ubu.com/film/joyce_wake.html
Based on Mary Manning's theater piece, Passages from Finnegans Wake.
From the Prod..."
That is actually much better than I expected...
Jonathan wrote: "That is actually much better than I expected... "I think so too. I've not seen it front to back yet ; but she seems to have translated it quite well to film.
Go to Sandulescu online for a bunch of links:http://sandulescu.perso.monaco.mc
http://editura.mttlc.ro/Joyce%20Lexic...
Vol 1. A Lexicon of Romanian in Finnegans Wake:
http://editura.mttlc.ro/carti/sandule...%
Vol. 2. A Lexicon of the German in Finnegans Wake:
http://editura.mttlc.ro/carti/bonheim...%
Vol. 3. A Lexicon of Common Scandinavian in Finnegans Wake:
http://editura.mttlc.ro/carti/sandule...%
Vol. 4. A Lexicon of Allusions and Motifs in Finnegans Wake:
http://editura.mttlc.ro/carti/sandule...%
Vol. 5. A Lexicon of “Small” Languages in Finnegans Wake:
http://editura.mttlc.ro/carti/sandule...%
Vol. 6. A Total Lexicon of Part Four of Finnegans Wake:
http://editura.mttlc.ro/carti/sandule...%
Vol. 7. UnEnglish English in Finnegans Wake: The First Hundred Pages
http://editura.mttlc.ro/carti/sandule...
Vol. 8. UnEnglish English in Finnegans Wake: The Second Hundred Pages
http://editura.mttlc.ro/carti/sandule...
Aloha wrote: "A Wake Typeface:"I'd like to see that nose=doodle from p308 make more frequent appearances aroon these parts.
Aloha wrote: "Go to Sandulescu online for a bunch of links:"
Thanks for the attention=bringing. Therre's alotta years of scholarship represented here. But it sure do look bulky. Just a short glanze into the UnEnglish;English volume and I'm thinking, Never has the McHugh Annytations looked so incredibly convenient to us(e)....... Lott us no what you find.
I found a few more links but thought I'd gather them before I pop in. I'm reading one now that is fabulous. It's a short article and I want to make some comments about it. I made a decision to stop being distracted with other reads and focus on Finnegan's. This morning's sampling of references confirmed my want. What a wealth of knowledge sprouting out of this unique book! Bye bye, India challenge. Bye bye, Dante. Finnegan's all the way, baby!
Starting to download some of Sandulescu Online's ebooks and noticed that he has 26,000 pages worth of stuff up there. Hmmmm...That's about 8 of Vollmann's 3,298 pages of the unabridged Rising Up and Rising Down. Doable. Yeah....
Geoff wrote: "Some illustrations:http://www.wakeinprogress.com/"
Sweet and double sweet!!! I'd like these bound please with bookbinder's art.
Also on that site ::
"Why Read Finnegans Wake? Because it’s better than Ulysses" ;; http://www.wakeinprogress.com/2011/05...
"Far from being a self-indulgent imitation, Finnegans Wake feels in a lot of ways like the perfection of an idea for which Ulysses was merely the trial run." Yup!
and from the comments section :: "It's a bit difficult to celebrate Bloomsday or Joyce without shouting about the Wake all night long instead." Indeed. And for that reason, today is being instituted as Iseult Day!! When Iseult's day is recognized in Ireland and by official Joyceans, that's the day I'll tourist in Irrland.
Totally agree that Finnegans is the pinnacle of Joyce's work. The knowledge of what Joyce is about is not complete without Finnegans. That's like reading only Vol. 1 of À la recherche du temps perdu and declaring you've read Proust.
So, if you don't know Ce Ce you're missing out on some great treats over in that Miss MacIntosh group....She sent me the following, for which, thanks.
"Seeing Joyce ---
"This year’s [2012's] ‘Bloomsday’ – 108 years after Leopold Bloom took his legendary walk around Dublin on the 16th June 1904 – is the first since the works of James Joyce entered the public domain. Frank Delaney asks whether we should perhaps now stop trying to read Joyce and instead make visits to him as to a gallery."
http://publicdomainreview.org/2012/06...
Gallery? eh, iDunno. Sure, one oughter hear and see The Wake ; (I've not read the article yet, only seen it, like in a gallery) but... (w)Read!
[or maybe we should stop listening to Kunst der Fuge and just look at the score(crack-a-wink!)
Nathan "N.R." wrote: "Seeing Joyce ---""It is like an impressionist painting."
Well yes sortta ; but the impressionism is pre-Wake aesthetic -- belongs to the SoC of Woolf and sections of Ulysses. But, yes. With the differrence that the impressions are not being made upon a singluatity/unified consciousness.
"...a writer whom we see rather than merely read." Got that one backwards ; the 'merely' should modify 'see' not 'read'.
"But again, and at the risking of banging the drum too loud and too often, read it not as language; read it as, say, a gift of tongues or as music or as that benighted creature, the “prose poem.” And then as painting – and this time add Abstract to the Impressionists. It’s not just the sounds of the words; it’s the shapes."
No need to disavow reading. Naturally the visual and aural arts expand possibilities ; nor of course is it necessary to value prose by calling it 'poetic' ;; prose does just fine on its own (even without the 'musical'). Leave prose please its independence.
so but anyways the claims of the article deteriorate when it gets to Finnegans Wake. Not because it's not visual or sonorous too ; but because it's not impressionism and it's not SoC.
[also, when an essayist allows himself to be described as 'deconstructing Ulysses' watch you're P's & Qu's ('deconstruction' is not a synonym for analysis).
Some reviews of Olwen Fouéré's Riverrun now at The Shed at the National Theatre in London. If I was binging awast to Romeville or just alighting in a-londontowne I'd certainly attend!:http://www.theguardian.com/stage/2014...
http://www.whatsonstage.com/london-th...
http://www.irishpost.co.uk/entertainm...
Geoff wrote: "Some reviews of Olwen Fouéré's Riverrun now at The Shed at the National Theatre in London.."One more short notice ::
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ent...
Is there any Goodreader in Londontowne willing or wanting to go see this and report back? C'mon, it's culture, you'd be bettering yourself!
Have you guys read the thing Chabon did on The Wake back in 2012? MJ sent it to me when I started waking and I only recall having my stomach turn at the inanity of what little Chabon had to say. I mean, I've never read Chabon and probably never will, but, well.... silly boy ::"What to Make of Finnegans Wake?"
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archi...
Nathan "N.R." wrote: "Have you guys read the thing Chabon did on The Wake back in 2012? MJ sent it to me when I started waking and I only recall having my stomach turn at the inanity of what little Chabon had to say. ..."Yes I read this when it was first published. Now that I am neck-head-and-brains deep in my committed reading of the Wake, I find Chabon's reading a narrow one, especially his theory of "failure" at the end of the essay. And his last paragraph is just wrong; all novels do not do what Joyce did in the Wake, all novels do not create new tongues for their purposes, language is not reinvented in each creative work. That's just not true. I really hope people unacquainted with the Wake but acquainted with Chabon (a writer of popular literature, in this essay apparently "championing" a forever avant-garde, never-popularizable book, all the while really denigrating it and aggrandizing his own realistic style) will not take this as the final word on Joyce's masterpiece. Readers of the New York Review of Books, what are we to make of Chabon?
Geoff wrote: "all novels do not do what Joyce did in the Wake, all novels do not create new tongues for their purposes, language is not reinvented in each creative work."..."the creation of a personal Volapük."
Chabon's not read Wittgenstein on private language? Maybe 'personal' isn't meant as that here, but often it does.
Meanwhile, Chabon is pointing to something correct, although he says it in a very clumsy manner. The thesis is found in Bakhtin and in what he says about polyphony and dialogism. But it's not really so much about the invention of language as it is the putting into play and interaction a multiplicity of languages. So typically true it's a matter of a bunch of already existing languages being brought into the action ; which is what happens in The Wake except that in The Wake it's done so thoroughly that something very strange happens and this melds into that like nothing has ever melded before. So the creation which Chabon seems to want to emphasize is not the point at all, rather, one does not create languages, one creates a Piece of Art by using what one finds lying around, all those scraps of language.
Nathan "N.R." wrote: "Meanwhile, Chabon is pointing to something correct."True, and you explained that very well. I guess what annoyed me about the essay, and especially the concluding section, was the apparent dismissal of the amount of labor, intelligence, planning, organization, etc. that went into making the Wake, which I find especially galling when he makes the claim that the Wake is a failure, and then refers to the book it took him a year to write as an equivalency, because gee we're all just writing in our own private languages anyway Whee!
Yeah, fuck that guy. His criticisms are the bellyaching of a primpled hipster faux-thinker who delights in his poseability. I wish I hadn't read this article first thing this morning, now I'm pissed.
Ashley wrote: " I wish I hadn't read this article first thing this morning, now I'm pissed. "Happy to oblige! ; )
If I knew anything more about Chabon I'd be tempted maybe to use him as my new whipping=boy since Franzen has gotten rather boring.
Most despicable I think about his piece is that instead of using all the power of his brain to bring The Wake closer to potential readers, and perhaps help it (continue to) find its readership he took the easy way out and assuaged everyone's hurt ego about not being able to understand a work of genius. It's really okay if you think this is piece of gibberish since even The Great Chabon wasn't impressed by it, neither need you be. [is that what the article said? I didn't bother to reread it]
Has anyone posted this anywhere yet? Patrick Healy reading the Wake? If already posted, apologies:http://ubu.com/sound/joyce_fw.html
I just listened to his reading of ALP's closing of the book. Wonderful, moving. Got me misty-eyed.
From the OUP bibliography. Re: duplicate links -- No Matter!!robotwisdom.com/jaj/fwake/ -- this sounds interesting (google "robotwisdom") but the link is dead. [OUP says : an enthusiast's site with textual commentary that integrates genetic and biographical material.]
http://www.finwake.com/
http://www.lycaeum.org/mv/Finnegan/ [an updated link than that provided in the OUP for this 'concoredex']
http://www.geneticjoycestudies.org/ [HUGE EMPORIUM of CRUMBS!]
http://www.fweet.org/
http://uwdc.library.wisc.edu/collecti... [another updated link ; this for The James Joyce Scholars Collections]
http://hjs.ff.cuni.cz/main/hjs.php?pa... [Hypermedia Joyce Studies : a refereed electronic journal of James Joyce scholarship]
I list these here because they have been vetted by Those Who Have Wake'd Many-a Year ; and are not just some random schlock churned out by a googlization of the atomsphere.
Nathan "N.R." wrote: "From the OUP bibliography. Re: duplicate links -- No Matter!!robotwisdom.com/jaj/fwake/ -- this sounds interesting (google "robotwisdom") but the link is dead. [OUP says : an enthusiast's site..."
Thank you kindly good sir.
Thanks, Nathan. I've visited some of the sites.
Thanks to Friend Hadrian :: a chunk-a-hunka Waktual textual art stuff. A book I just dare you to try and locate a finda copy anywheres ever at all! Id-Grids and Ego-Graphs: A Confabulation With Finnegans Wake. Not in the gr db. Here's a write-up :: http://www.brainpickings.org/index.ph...
That bapge too note not to miss the link umto the Joycie kiddies bock, what reminds me of ole man Theroux's little tike books. Re: Cats!
Nathan "N.R." wrote: "Thanks to Friend Hadrian :: a chunk-a-hunka Waktual textual art stuff. A book I just dare you to try and locate a finda copy anywheres ever at all! Id-Grids and Ego-Graphs: A Confabulation With F..."I really like these. It'd be great to have prints of a few of them to hang about the homestead...
More art please!http://finwakeatx.blogspot.com/2014/0...
And incase I messed something, try yr hand at google images.
Jonathan wrote: "I like this - great for newbies http://fractiousfiction.com/finnegans..."
First glance says really how rather nice! The twitter things still look dorky.
And I'll highlight, because of the kind of book it is :: "Also consider going for group therapy."
Harry's recent link re: The Sigla (McHugh) leads me to post the whole site where that Sigla book is located ::The James Joyce Scholars' Collection
Edited by David Hayman
@ U of Wisconsin
"The selected works compiled in the James Joyce Scholars' Collection (JJSC) all share two characteristics: 1) all the books are currently out-of-print and 2) they are valuable, perhaps indispensable, to those who seek a more complete understanding and appreciation of the richness of James Joyce's literary works.
Materials in the Collection
A Classical Lexicon for Finnegans Wake
The Decentered Universe of Finnegans Wake: A Structuralist Analysis
A Finnegans Wake Gazetteer
A First-Draft Version of Finnegans Wake
A Gaelic Lexicon for Finnegans Wake, and Glossary for Joyce's Other Works
James Joyce, the Citizen and the Artist
James Joyce and the Making of 'Ulysses', and Other Writings
Joyce-again's Wake: An Analysis of Finnegans Wake
A Lexicon of the German in Finnegans Wake
The Odyssey of Style in Ulysses
The Sigla of Finnegans Wake
Structure and Motif in Finnegans Wake
Third Census of Finnegans Wake
The "Wake" in Transit
Who's He When He's at Home: A James Joyce Directory
The Workshop of Daedalus"
http://uwdc.library.wisc.edu/collecti...
Wonderful blog, with lots of lovely detail here, including Joyce's own comments http://peterchrisp.blogspot.co.uk/201...
pg. 244: "ii" is two little birds making their evening prayers
Geoff wrote: "pg. 244: "ii" is two little birds making their evening prayers"I know! I read that too and suddenly got that vertiginous feeling of realising just how much there could be in this text...
I also loved seeing the photos of some of his early draft pages - all that wonderful scribbling...the whole of that guy's blog is a great recourse
Jonathan wrote: "realising just how much there could be in this text..."Yes, a book to never, ever stop reading...
I don't have time to watch this now so I have no idea if it treats The Wake faithfully or not but I thought I would share for those who do have time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-BJQ...
Interesting comments in the above YouTube about dualism in both The Brothers Karamazov and Finnegans Wake...conflicts creating dualism, how forgiveness destroys that dualism and everything implodes. The moment the dream starts in Finnegans, the characters go crazy with conflicts, which resolves and implodes upon awakening. Reminds me of the concept in Theosophy, which uses a lot of eastern religious concept of the dream illusion, dualism and suffering, and the attainment of oneness. According to Ellmann's biography, Joyce was interested in Theosophy because it was the thing at the time but Joyce was a lifelong skeptic.http://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&...
Finnegans Wake Grappa
Books mentioned in this topic
Rising Up And Rising Down (other topics)Passages from Finnegans Wake (other topics)
Passages from Finnegans Wake (other topics)
The Sigla of Finnegans Wake (other topics)
http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-...
located from this nice blogger :: http://m759.net/wordpress/?p=3881
[this should also go in that secondary=stuff folder ; but I wanna start a web=source too]
See auch below for links provided by the OUP biblio :: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...