Martin, George R.R: A Storm of Swords ("Buddy Read" Revisit) Start Date: February 2, 2014 [A Song of Ice & Fire #3]

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Synopsis of A Storm of Swords:

Of the five contenders for power, one is dead, another in disfavor, and still the wars rage as violently as ever, as alliances are made and broken. Joffrey, of House Lannister, sits on the Iron Throne, the uneasy ruler of the land of the Seven Kingdoms. His most bitter rival, Lord Stannis, stands defeated and disgraced, the victim of the jealous sorceress who holds him in her evil thrall. But young Robb, of House Stark, still rules the North from the fortress of Riverrun. Robb plots against his despised Lannister enemies, even as they hold his sister hostage at King’s Landing, the seat of the Iron Throne. Meanwhile, making her way across a blood-drenched continent is the exiled queen, Daenerys, mistress of the only three dragons still left in the world....

But as opposing forces maneuver for the final titanic showdown, an army of barbaric wildlings arrives from the outermost line of civilization. In their vanguard is a horde of mythical Others--a supernatural army of the living dead whose animated corpses are unstoppable. As the future of the land hangs in the balance, no one will rest until the Seven Kingdoms have exploded in a veritable storm of swords. . .

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This topic will start February 2nd.

EXPECT SPOILERS!

As in the prior two, you may post answers to the Discussion Questions every third day, or as per original Chapter Breakdown. Every Three-Day Schedule is as follows (please note BREAK* and HOILDAY* days):

Reading Schedule:

Date Chapters
February 02-04		Prologue - 11 (Jamie)
February 05-07		12 (Arya) - 23 (Daenerys)
February 08-11*		24 (Bran) - 35 (Catelyn)
February 12-14		36 (Davos) - 47 (Arya)
February 15-18*		48 (Jon) - 59 (Sansa)
February 19-21		60 (Tyrion) - 71 (Daenerys)
February 22-24 		72 (Jamie) - Epilogue

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Previous Chapter Breakdown

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Date Chapters Comments Person
February 02 - Prologue - Chapter 3 - Lisarenee
February 03 - Chapter 4 - Chapter 7 - Lisa Kay
February 04 - Chapter 8 - Chapter 11 - Sandy 

February 05 - Chapter 12 - Chapter 15 - Lisarenee
February 06 - Chapter 16 - Chapter 19 - Lisarenee
February 07 - Chapter 20 - Chapter 23 - Lisa Kay

February 08 - Chapter 24 - Chapter 27 - Lisarenee
February 09 - Chapter 28 - Chapter 31 - Lisarenee
February 10 - BREAK / CATCH-UP DAY
February 11 - Chapter 32 - Chapter 35 - Lisarenee

February 12 - Chapter 36 - Chapter 39 - Sandy
February 13 - Chapter 40 - Chapter 43 - Lisarenee
February 14 - Chapter 44 - Chapter 47 - Sandy

February 15 - Chapter 48 - Chapter 51 - Lisarenee
February 16 - Chapter 52 - Chapter 55 - Lisarenee
February 17 - HOLIDAY BREAK
February 18 - Chapter 56 - Chapter 59 - Sandy 

February 19 - Chapter 60 - Chapter 63 - Lisa Kay
February 20 - Chapter 64 - Chapter 67 - Sandy
February 21 - Chapter 68 - Chapter 71 - Lisa Kay

February 22 - Chapter 72 - Chapter 75 - Lisarenee
February 23 - Chapter 76 - Chapter 79 - Lisarenee
February 24 - Chapter 80 - Epilogue - Lisarenee

Here are the chapter divisions so we can all stay in sync:

Prologue - pages 1 - 17
Chapter 1 - Jaime - pages 18 - 32
Chapter 2 - Catelyn - pages 33 - 42
Chapter 3 - Arya - pages 43 - 52
Chapter 4 - Tyrion - pages 53 - 66
Chapter 5 - Davos - pages 67 - 74
Chapter 6 - Sansa - pages 75 - 90
Chapter 7 - Jon - Pages 91 - 104
Chapter 8 - Daenerys - pages 105 - 121
Chapter 9 - Bran - pages 122 - 132 
Chapter 10 - Davos - pages 133 - 145
Chapter 11 - Jaime - pages 146 - 160
Chapter 12 - Tyrion - pages 161 - 172
Chapter 13 - Arya - pages 173 - 187
Chapter 14 - Catelyn - pages 188 - 201
Chapter 15 - Jon - pages 202 - 219
Chapter 16 - Sansa - pages 220 - 226
Chapter 17 - Arya - Pages 227 - 235
Chapter 18 - Samwell - pages 236 - 253
Chapter 19 - Tyrion - pages 254 - 272
Chapter 20 - Catelyn - pages 273 - 284
Chapter 21 - Jaime - pages 285 - 297
Chapter 22 - Arya - pages 298 - 310
Chapter 23 - Daenerys - pages 311 - 330
Chapter 24 - Bran - pages 331 - 343
Chapter 25 - Davos - pages 344 - 354
Chapter 26 - Jon - pages 355 - 366
Chapter 27 - Daenerys - Pages 367 - 381
Chapter 28 - Sansa - pages 382 - 394
Chapter 29 - Arya - pages 395 - 404
Chapter 30 - Jon - pages 405 - 412
Chapter 31 - Jaime - pages 413 - 424
Chapter 32 - Tyrion - pages 425 - 440
Chapter 33 - Samwell - pages 441 - 459
Chapter 34 - Arya - pages 460 - 473
Chapter 35 - Catelyn - pages 474 - 487
Chapter 36 - Davos - pages 489 - 502
Chapter 37 - Jaime - Pages 503 - 516
Chapter 38 - Tyrion - pages 517 - 529
Chapter 39 - Arya - pages 530 - 544
Chapter 40 - Bran - pages 545 - 555
Chapter 41 - Jon - pages 556 - 570
Chapter 42 - Daenerys - pages 571 - 589
Chapter 43 - Arya - pages 590 - 602
Chapter 44 - Jaime - pages 603 - 619
Chapter 45 - Catelyn - pages 620 - 636
Chapter 46 - Samwell - pages 637 - 647
Chapter 47 - Arya - Pages 648 - 658 
Chapter 48 - Jon - pages 659 - 669
Chapter 49 - Catelyn - pages 670 - 685
Chapter 50 - Arya - pages 686 - 692
Chapter 51 - Catelyn - pages 693 - 705
Chapter 52 - Arya - pages 706 - 710
Chapter 53 - Tyrion - pages 711 - 721 
Chapter 54 - Davos - pages 722 - 737
Chapter 55 - Jon - pages 738 - 754
Chapter 56 - Bran - pages 755 - 773
Chapter 57 - Daenerys - Pages 774 - 792
Chapter 58 - Tyrion - pages 793 - 798
Chapter 59 - Sansa - pages 799 - 808
Chapter 60 - Tyrion - pages 809 - 831
Chapter 61 - Sansa - pages 832 - 841
Chapter 62 - Jaime - pages 842 - 856
Chapter 63 - Davos - pages 857 - 867
Chapter 64 - Jon - pages 868 - 882
Chapter 65 - Arya - pages 883 - 893
Chapter 66 - Tyrion - pages 894 - 911
Chapter 67 - Jaime - Pages 912 - 926 
Chapter 68 - Sansa - pages 927 - 945
Chapter 69 - Jon - pages 946 - 959
Chapter 70 - Tyrion - pages 960 - 976 
Chapter 71 - Daenerys - pages 977 - 995 
Chapter 72 - Jaime - pages 996 - 1010 
Chapter 73 - Jon - pages 1011- 1026 
Chapter 74 - Arya - pages 1027- 1041 
Chapter 75 - Samwell - pages 1042- 1052 
Chapter 76 - Jon - pages 1053- 1061 
Chapter 77 - Tyrion - pages 1062- 1073 
Chapter 78 - Samwell - pages 1074- 1086 
Chapter 79 - Jon - pages 1087- 1097 
Chapter 80 - Sansa - pages 1098- 1115 
Epilogue - pages 1116- 1128

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Questions for Prologue - Chapter 3 (Arya)
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This section didn't have a huge bunch of questions, but I thought it was a good beginning to the third book.

1) I always wondered in the back of my mind about how loyal people who were forced to take the black would be to the cause. Were you surprised that a group was ready to rebel?

2) When the horn blew for the third time were you surprised? We hadn't heard from the Others in a while and how ironic they show up with the first flakes of snow. I expected it to be the Wildings come a bit early.

3) Brienne seems quite resourceful. Were you surprised by how she took charge and put a hole through the ship with a boulder?

4) Were you surprised by Jamie being faithful to Cersei? She is definitely not faithful.

5) Who the heck sent someone to kill Bran in his bed? The plot thickens. Could it have been Littlefinger?

6) Surprised Jaime didn't bash Brienne over the head with an oar? I was.

7) I'm still confused about what potentially happened to Lysa. Did she have a child before she got married, and, if so whose?

8) Feeling any sympathy for Lysa?

9) Is Sansa doomed? Who did the worse thing Edmure or Catelyn. Both were definitely wrong.

10) We finally know what happened to Ayra. Seems like we pick up on her story were we last heard (which seems a bit out of sync with everything else) of her in the last book. Do you think her wolf is coming back? Do you think the dream was her having a mind meld with her wolf?
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Questions for Chapter 4 (Tyrion) – Chapter 7 (Jon)
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11) Poor Tyrion! His face and body so battered. Do you think Ser Bronn will remain faithful? Will he find a connection between Ser Mandon Moore and Queen Cersei? What good will it do, except give him certainty? Think he’ll act on any knowledge gained?

12) What was your initial impression of Ser Addam Marband, commander of the gold cloaks?

13) What happened to those 'almost warm feelings' the last time Lord Tywin saw Tyrion? Were you surprised Tyrion was so unappreciated by his father? Did it piss you off as much as it did me? Is this Cersei’s doing?

14) Think Lord Tywin is going to pay for his treatment of Alayaya? Is it possible you are now even more worried about Shae being discovered?

15) Were you surprised Tyrion asked for Casterly Rock? What about Lord Tywin's response? Think Tyrion will possess it one day?

16) Davos is still alive! Wow. Little bit of a vision quest taking place out there on Onion Island, huh? Comments. Now just what is he planning?

17) On first learning of Sansa’s invite from Margaery Tyrell, what did you think her motivation was?

18) Did Ser Loras really not remember Sansa? I guess I’m a little dense, but I didn’t understand how Sansa had offended Ser Loras by mentioning his unhorsing Robar Royce. Because treachery and conspiracy was involved later that day, therefore he was reminded of her father’s supposed duplicity?

19) What did you think of Lady Olenna, Queen of Thorns? Should Sansa have confided in her and her court? Can Sansa trust them? Did you think the song went along with what they were discussing in a macabre sort of way?

20) Did you feel a little sorry for Sansa, spinning her romantic notions of a knight in shining armor again? Or were you just disgusted with her naïve?

21) Did you know the turncloak, Mance Rayder, King-beyond-the-Wall, was the one sitting in the middle of the tent playing the lute and singing? Any significance in the song he sang? What did you think of his captains, chiefs? How about that he sent them away and left his wife, Dalla, to listen to their talk?

22) What do you think of Jon Snow’s “undercover” work? Will he be successful? Will he stay true? Make and alliance between the wildings and the Night’s Watch? Maybe get them to join forces to fight the Others?
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Questions for Chapter 8 (Daenerys) - Chapter 11 (Jaime)
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23. Do you think Ser Jorah is right not to trust Whitebeard? (Just an observation, since there was so little of Dany in the previous book, I liked how there was a paragraph recapping what she’s been through.)

24. We now know that Dany enjoys feeding her dragons in the nude (ha ha!). What a visual: the dragons roasting their own meat! That would come in handy at barbecues. Did you expect Ser Jorah to make a move on Dany? Do you think she will accept his proposal? I think she will be like Queen Elizabeth I and be only wed to her country.

25. Sounds like Bran is really getting the hang of using his third eye. I am unclear on why they are traveling beyond the wall. Who are they looking for (a person who can teach Bran)? Do we know specifically? I wish we could see how Rickon and Osha are faring!

26. More confusion: Davos believes that Melisandre sent the fire on the battleships, but it was the “wildfire”, right? Or did Melisandre just add to it?

27. Do you think Salladhor Saan betrayed Davos? Will Davos live to get his revenge on Melisandre?

28. Did anyone else think, “I‘ve got a bad feeling about this” when the Kingslayer was allowed to get on a horse? Even with wrist chains, the man is crafty!

29. Bit of a digression…in this chapter Elia of Dorne is mentioned (wife of Rhaegar). Does Mance Rayder’s song about the Dornishman’s wife have something to do with her or someone related to her?

30. So, we learn that Jaime had almost been betrothed to Lysa Tully (interesting!) and that he joined the Kingsguard because Cersei wanted him too (manipulative b-tch!) Do you think Tywin knew about the twins’ relationship? Is that why he resigned as Hand and took Cersei back to Casterly Rock?

31. Thoughts on Jaime killing the King? Sounds like Aerys wanted Jaime to kill his own father. I am wondering about the plan leading up to the assassination. Jaime is called Kingslayer, but many were in on the plot, no? (hide spoiler)]

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Questions for Chapter 12 (Tyrion) - Chapter 15 (Sansa)
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32) Laughed at Vary's dressing up as a woman.

33) Do you think Tyrion will use the steps in Vary's bedroom to his advantage in the future?

34) I'm thinking Shae will be Tyrion's downfall. Anyone else?

35) Cersei is such a tease. She is doing what she told Sansa she does - bear a different kind of weapon. There is a word for women like her.

36) Here's a thought, after pondering Lisa's thoughts about Tyrion's dad, could he have tried to get rid of his son by framing him? Could he have sent the assassin after Bran?

37) What do you think of Arya's new "friends"? Should she have revealed herself to Harwin? Who the heck is he with?

38) I think Robb just signed his own death warrant. He did a stupid thing. Anyone else agree?

39) Gah! Who the heck is Tansy and do we really care?

40) Seems like we have a bit of a problem communicating our ideas in Kingdom Robb. Wonder how Robb's uncle likes being bossed around by his nephew?

41) Jon is having problems of a feminine nature. Talk about blackmail. Any thoughts on this? Think wedding bells are in Jon's future?

42) Mammoths and Giants! How fun. Wonder if the Mammoth is a Sigil of any houses?

I feel I'm forgetting something. If anyone wants to add a question let me know.
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Questions for Chapter 16 (Sansa) - Chapter 19 (Tyrion)
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43) Should Sansa have left with Ser Dontos?

44) Well this answers my previous question - Arya should not have trusted the band of theives. Do you think Gendry will come to her aid?

45) Like how Sam managed to rise to the occasion and kill the Other. Interesting thing about the obsidian. Weren't the arrowheads and things that Jon found in the buried box also made of obsidian?

46) Looks like the black brothers are no more. Those left are fleeing for their lives. I don't think we know exactly who all survived. Sounded like Sam sent messages when they were first attacked and then let the rest of the birds free. Wonder what those who were warned will think? Do you think they'll believe the Others have returned?

47)Thoughts about Sansa marrying Tyrion? She will freak. Anyone see this one coming?

48) Cersei being forced to marry? That is precious. I think her father is looking to punish her. Do you think she'll marry or refuse?

49) Tywin knows what Robb did. Anyone else thinking we'll be seeing an end to Robb's reign?
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Questions for Chapter 20 (Catelyn) – Chapter 23 (Daenerys)
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50) Well Martin didn’t sugarcoat it, did he? That was quite a descriptive passage of a brutal assassination, IMHO. Did you know who the two young boys were before it was revealed?

51) Book quote: “How can it be treason to kill Lannisters, when it is not treason to free them?” Whoa! No cut-and-paste caricatures here. Did you think this arguing point, made by Karstark, had any validity?

52) Did you believe that King Robb would hold Karstark as a hostage or kill him? Were you surprised he wielded the poleaxe himself? He has a lot of his father in him, does he not? Will this bring about his downfall?

53) Book quote: “Bowmen are fearless so long as they can hide behind walls and shoot at you from afar, but if you come at them, they run.” Seems Jaime is not above teaching Brienne. Comments on this and their forest fight scene?

54) Jaime thinks of returning Sansa, for his own amusement, doesn’t believe Brienne deserves gang-raping, and wants her to stretch the truth about her Sapphire Isle to save her hide. Does he have any redeeming qualities? Sounds like the “methage” Vargo Hoat would send Lord Tywin is a body part of Jaime’s. Any idea what part world make him scream like that?

55) I have long been trying to figure out whose side Lord Beric Dondarrion, of Blackhaven, is on. He was sent out by Lord Stark, when he was Hand to the King, to capture Ser Gregor Clegane. Now Arya finds out Lord Beric was hanged, but Thoros revived him. It appears he is out for himself now – well, and the people in his vicinity – correct?

56) Poor Arya, she (and me) doesn’t know who has switched sides – or when – in all these battles, assassinations, and political power plays. Are you keeping them all straight?

57) I think Gendry thought Arya, after a fierce scrubbing and trimming, looked pretty appealing and didn’t know how to handle it. You? I think this has been asked before, but do you think there's potential for a romantic relationship between Arya and Gendry? Talk about a one-two punch. Now they would have some clout, correct?

58) Was I the only one smiling over Arya’s comment about her Needle work?

59) The slaver, Kraznys mo Nakloz, said “whore” one too many times (IMHO); think he will pay for that bit of jackassery?

60) Book Quote: Tap, tap, tap. Who the hell is Whitebeard?

61) Were you impressed that Dany didn’t consign her “handling” by Irri as a dream, nor her as a bedslave, and told her so?

62) Book Quote: Dany did not turn. She could not bear to look at him just now. If she did, she might well slap him again. Or cry. Or kiss him. And never know which was right and which was wrong and which was maddess. So far a kiss and a slap; Ser Jorah did stir up some emotions in Dany. Comments.

63) Man-oh-man! Dany is smack-dab in the middle of a dilemma. We know how she detests slavery. Whatever will her decision be? (hide spoiler)]

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Questions for Chapter 24 (Bran) - Chapter 27 (Daenerys)
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64) We finally have a Bran chapter where something useful is found. Yay! Do you think the group will continue to the wall? What do you think they'll find?

65) The story the of the Knight and the Laughing Tree - Could it have been about Lyanna and how the Starks became friends with the Reeds (did I get everyone straight?)?

66) Think Davos will allow himself to become a shadow baby? Did she make a good argument for herself? Is Melisandre's offer of pleasure enough to sway him? I cringed at that one. Can't imagine anyone wanting to close and personal with her after seeing her birth a shadow baby. Talk about a mood spoiler. Gah!

67) Do you think Stannis is still alive? No one has seen him for awhile.

68) Now we find Stannis' Hand has been imprisoned for treason. Do you think it's treason?

69) Lord Alester has rings. Could he be the mysterious man Arya saw in the first book? I'm not sure the rest of the description fits.

70) Putting on my fortune telling hat (or would that be scarves) and predicting that Ygritte will die and Jon will step into the role his destiny was supposed to take. Any thoughts? I agree with whoever said they don't like Ygritte. I don't either, and I don't know why.

71) Did anyone else wonder at one time if Ygritte, at the beginning, was being used as a tool to secure Jon's loyalty? After this chapter, however, I really believe she loves him.

72) Did you get upset when Dany offered up Dragos?

73) Did you see the Dragon attack coming? I wondered, but wasn't sure how it'd play out.

74) Thoughts on Dany's statement,"Justice...that's what Kings are for."

75) What did you think of the warning and who do you think the woman was who uttered it? I'm thinking Melisandre.

76) Who is your favorite character at this point?
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Questions for Chapter 28 (Sansa) - Chapter 31 (Jaime)
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77) I feel so bad for both Sansa and Tyrion. What an awful position for the two of them to be put in. Sansa doesn't trust any of the Lannisters and can't see past the outer shell of Tyrion to his inner beauty. Tyrion has wedded a 12 year old girl. He sees it like it is and doesn't force her. Gotta love him and feel awful for him at the same time. Curse you Cersei and Tywin! Okay got my melodramatic moment out of the way. :)

78) The Tyrells acted like Sansa had the plague. Do you think they thought she knew she'd be wed to Tyrion?

79) Joffrey disgusts me. I hope he gets his in the end. He's one character I wouldn't miss. Anyone else agree?

80) Loved Tyrion's standing his ground and not allowing them to have a traditional bedding. Do you think not having sealed the deal will prove to be a mistake for both of them?

81) Tansy's secret identity is finally revealed. Now what the heck does she have to do with anything? Okay here's something I've been pondering for a while. Could she be Tyrion's Tysha? His first wife? I know crazy, right?

82) I think Gendry has a crush on Arya. He acted awful strange when she said he wasn't her brother. Could she like him too? I think the Lady doth protest too much.:)

83) Arya seems to once again be in the frying pan. I'm worried for her. Is anyone else?

84) I now know why I dislike Ygritte. She keeps telling Jon he knows nothing. Getting a bit annoyed by that.

85) The Horn of Winter - I think I know what happened to it, but does Jon have it?

86) Jaime is proving himself to be a nice guy. Darn him. I can't believe he lost his hand. I feel awful for him. Liked his statement that Brienne was his protector. I'm extremely sad the two won't be able to sword fight again. *sniff* Any thoughts on what happened and about the new knowledge we gained?
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Questions for Chapter 32(Tyrion) - Chapter 35 (Catelyn)
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87) I felt so bad for Tyrion when his feelings were displayed about the kind of marriage he wanted with Sansa.

88) Guess Jaime isn't going to need that second sword. Notice how Lord Tywin didn't offer it to Tyrion.

89) I don't know about anyone else but I'm pretty suspicious of the singer. Does he have an ulterior motive? He and Tyrion's girl seem to know way more than they should. Could they be spies or something worse? Remember how she wanted access to the wedding as well?

90) Now know the messages said nothing about the others. Wonder where the Others are now?

91) Does anyone remember Janos Slynt? Is he the one who had a problem with Jon?

92) Anyone else shocked by the death of Ser Mormont and Craster?

93) Samwell and Gilly? What do you make of the escape? As a mom of three children my first thought was, "Ouch!" I can't imagine going on a journey after just giving birth. Will she be able to help him get to the wall? Traveling with a new born? Will all of them make it?

94) Who are Cater's sons? That sounded questionable.

95) What did you think of the confrontation between the Hound and Arya?

96) The men they're with still baffle me. Are they good or bad? They say they're Robert's men. What does that mean and what will they do with Arya?

97) Would you trust the Freys? Weren't one of the boys killed part Frey? I don't think I'd trust them.
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Questions for Chapter 36 (Davos) – Chapter 39 (Arya)
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98. It’s refreshing to see Stannis awake and lucid. How surprised were you that he asked Davos to be Hand of the King? Why do you suppose Stannis trusts Davos so much?

99. Melisandre asks Stannis for “the boy” so she can wake the “stone dragon.” Is “the boy” Edric? What is the “stone dragon?” Do you think she’s asking for a sacrifice or just drops of blood? (My guess is sacrifice.) Were you surprised that Stannis told her no?

100. I continue to be surprised by and impressed with Jaime. He tells Brienne he killed Aerys to prevent him from burning King’s Landing. Why didn’t he tell anyone? He says he didn’t because he swore to keep the king’s secrets, but the guy was dead for goodness’ sake! I think Jaime could have saved his reputation if everyone had known about this.

101. I couldn’t help but feel sorry for Jaime has he tries to eat one-handed. I’m getting worried for Brienne since Bolton plans to send her to Vargo, and send Jaime to King’s Landing. I hope she comes up with a brilliant escape plan!

102. Just an observation: Brienne is learning that oaths don’t mean much. She’s disappointed that Jaime, Robb and Tyrion have all broken their promises. Do you think now she will be more wary and less naïve?

103. Roose Bolton says that Arya has been found and will be returned safely to the North. Does he know that Arya was the girl who had been serving him? I think not.

104. Well, now we have even more reason to hate Cersei if the story of Tyrion as a baby that Prince Oberyn told is true. Do you believe the story, or do you think Oberyn is trying to turn Tyrion against Cersei (not that he hasn’t already turned against her!). It’s really hard to fathom a 9-year-old girl being so cruel to her own baby brother! I like how Jaime came to Tyrion’s defense (in the tale).

105. How will Cersei react to the new wedding guests?

106. Why do they keep letting the Hound go? He’s nothing but trouble!

107. Were you surprised Gendry wanted to stay with the outlaws rather than serve at Riverrun?
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Questions for Chapter 40 (Bran) - Chapter 43 (Arya)
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108) I can't believe how close Bran and Jon were to each other. Seems to be another think Martin likes to do. Always so close yet so far.

109) "Aye," said Jojen, "but one man willing to forswear himself would be enough to sell your secret to the ironmen or the Bastard of Bolton."
Anyone else think this might be some foreshadowing? I thought of Janos Slynt when I read it.

110) Surprised Jon wouldn't kill the old man or are you more surprised he bolted and left the Wildings?

111) Do you think Ygritte and Jon are too different for it ever to have worked out?

112) Do you think he learned enough to leave?

113) What did you think of Dany's battle plans?

114) Thought of how she told Ser Jorah to stop his possessive/jealous behavior? Was it the right thing to do?

115) Thoughts on Daario Nahris? Lovely present he brought Dany.

116) We learned more about Rheagar. Still we don't have the full story.

117) Darn it my theory about Jon was wrong. Drats! I liked my theory about his birth more.

118) Darn it just when I thought Arya might be headed for safety Sandor kidnaps her. Noooooooooo!
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Questions for Chapter 44 (Jaime) to Chapter 47 (Arya)
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119. In a flashback we see that Jaime realized he was chosen for the Kingsguard merely to spite Tywin. How do you think this affected him? Perhaps he wanted to kill Aerys long before Robert’s troops closed in.

120. Jaime continues his road to sainthood by rescuing Brienne from a bear. Next he will rescue drowning puppies and save Timmy from a burning building. :-) Why do you think he went back to Harrenhall? Could it be he cares (not romantically, just in a “brotherhood” kind of way)? Has Jaime truly changed since he pushed Bran out the window? How much does losing his hand have to do with his 180?

121. Uh-oh. The old crone predicted that Riverrun would be taken, and here we have Robb keeping his wife and her family “safe” at Riverrun while he goes to Edmure’s wedding. Over and over we are told how safe it is. I have a bad feeling about this.

122. I wanted to high-five Robb when he told Catelyn he was going to name Jon Snow his heir! I fear this means the end of Robb is near, though. I was bothered at Catelyn taking this so personally. She felt trapped by this. I am not sure why she felt this way.

123. Samwell prays to the Gods for help and lo and behold the ravens save him and Gilly from the wights. Coincidence? Who was the mysterious elk-rider?

124. I enjoyed watching Arya trying to kill and/or escape the Hound. Did you know he was taking her to her mother? Since he had been relatively kind to Sansa, it makes sense he wouldn’t be too cruel to Arya. I’m glad his goal is to get her to the Twins instead of Riverrun. GRRM is probably just teasing us again, though. (hide spoiler)]

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Questions for Chapter 48 (Jon) - Chapter 51 (Catelyn)
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Wow! on of the smallest sections of 4 chapters we've read thus far, but it packed a punch.

125) Poor Jon. Finds out about the false reports about Bran and Rickon and finds out what happened to Mormont. Plus, the wall is almost deserted. I'm a little worried that the wall will be overtaken while Jon is out of it. Were you surprised to find some of the brothers had returned and told the story of what happened?

126) Jon's confession about Ygritte shows how he feels guilty about what happened. Think a Jon junior will result from their relationship?

127) I can't believe, well yes I can, what happened to Robb and Catelyn. Got an uneasy feeling when Frey made the speech about not forgetting things.

128) What do you think happened to Edmure? If he's not dead how will he react to finding his sister and nephew murdered?

129) I guess we now know why they wanted Robb's wife with him.

130) Poor Arya. Once again she can't get a break. What do you think will happen to her?

131) Thoughts about the hound? Will he try to sell her off again, and, if so, to who?
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132) I felt so bad for Arya. Do you think she's okay? I wonder why they didn't just lump this chapter in with the previous Arya chapter?

133) Sounded like Edmure is alive, but Riverun will be taken away or did I get that wrong? Poor Tyrion. If Sansa didn't hate him before she might now.

134) Interesting to find Tywin is drugging Joffrey. Anyone else surprised?

135) More information about the fall of the Targaryens. What do you make of it?

136) Arya and Roose Bolton? Thoughts? Gah!

137) Two of the kings Melisandre promised would die have. Is Joffrey next?

138) Thoughts about Davos and if Joffrey does die will the Edric then be sacrificed?

139) So it looks like Davos will not tell Stannis about the Wall? I wonder why?

140) Love the scarecrows.

141) The battle at the wall was like the last showdown. Were you surprised the brothers won? Were you surprised Ygritte died? At least I think she died. I can't be certain until she's truly buried.
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Questions for Chapter 56 (Bran) through Chapter 59 (Sansa)
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142. Did anyone think that Sam and Gilly were hiding in the well? I was completely surprised by that.

143. I can’t remember...did Jon, Sam and the other Night’s Watchmen know about Bran and Rickon being “murdered?” Sam doesn’t seem too surprised that Bran is alive.

144. More info on the Elk Rider: He has cold hands; he was sent to find someone; he can’t pass beyond the wall due to a spell; he wears black and is as pale as a wight; he speaks (as opposed to wights who do not); he knows about the black gate; he was sent to find someone, and that someone is not Sam. Meera was startled when she heard about him. Who/what is he? Jojen says that Bran is the one Sam was told to bring. What makes Jojen think this? Did he dream it?

145. Oh, Dany. Why does she think it’s so important to take the city of Meereen? It sounds like there are no practical ways to take the city. On the other hand, if they march, much of her group could die of disease or starvation. Sounds like she’s got quite the problem on her hands.

146. Thoughts on Dany’s “admiration” of Daario? It kind of gives me the creeps.

147. Who was the Titan’s Bastard? I can’t remember!

148. Did anyone think that Whitebeard was Berristan Selmy? You smart ladies knew he had to be someone important, and I recall someone asked about Selmy recently.

149. Dany feels betrayed by both Selmy and Jorah, even though both have proven to be loyal allies and protectors. Is she right to still suspect them? Did we know that Jorah was in cahoots with Varys early on? (This was made clear in the TV series, but I can’t recall if it was made clear in the books until this chapter.) What will Dany do now?? The next Dany chapter is too far away!

150. Is anyone else surprised that Tyrion keeps taking the risk of seeing Shae? Does Sansa have a clue at all about her?

151. Joffrey is such a little sh-t. He behaves like a 2-year old. I was amazed that Tyrion held is tongue while Joffrey offended Sansa and sliced the rare book. Interesting that Tyrion said Viserys should have been included in Kaeth’s book. Viserys had poisoned his nephew Baelor to save the realm. Seems like Tyrion wants to do the same.
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Questions for Chapter 60 (Tyrion) to Chapter 63 (Davos)
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152. Tyrion concluded King Joffrey was behind the assassination attempt on Bran. Do you think this is true?

153. Tyrion’s has been unappreciated for his role in the victory of the Battle of the Blackwater, despises by the inhabitants of Kings’ Landing, given a wife who doesn’t want him, been made the butt of jests of at court, and now accused of a crime he didn’t commit. He’s not having much luck lately. How do you think his trial will go?

154. King Joffrey is dead! **Lisa Kay does happy dance.** Did you think at first he was really dying? Or just chocking? We know Tyrion didn’t do it; so, who did? Cersei must really hate Tyrion to accuse him of regicide and kinslaying. Or do you think she really believes Tyrion did kill her son?

155. Sansa finally ran off with “Ser” Dontos, only to be betrayed. Was Littlefinger’s interaction with Sansa a little creepy, or what? All I can say is out of the frying pan and into the fire. True?

156. We are given several answers, but more questions too. It was cruel of Littlefinger to set up the jousting dwarfs. Did he plan it all? Even the misdirect of Tyrion as scapegoat for Joffrey’s murder?

157. Cersei wouldn’t let Jaime hold his son when he was born? She continues to be the omnipotent b!tch, IMO. What did you think of Jaime’s reaction to hearing of his son’s death?

158. Again Jaime intervenes for Brienne, saving her from Ser Loras Tyrell’s wrath. How will her trial go? Will there even be one? I mean, she supposedly killed a traitor, right?

159. Ick. Sex on the altar with your sibling - with your dead son nearby? Talk about breaking a few commandments, or any sense of propriety. Comments.

160. Do you think Jaime will listen to Tyrion’s side of things? Will Jaime be forced to choose between his two siblings?

161. Whoa! Who knew Davos, now Lord Rainwood, Admiral of the Narrow Sea, had it in him to rescue Edric? Why didn’t Melisandre foresee this turn of events; because it was NOT directed at her? Has Davos’ luck finally run out?
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Questions for Chapter 64 (Jon) through Chapter 67 (Jaime)
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162. Another battle at the wall! Again, I thought all was lost but the brothers triumph. Does the Wall really protect itself or was it just good strategic planning?

163. Jon now commands the Wall (at least temporarily). I keep forgetting he is so young! He’s what, 16 or 17? Yep, Ygritte is dead and burned. No bastard heir (yet). Do you we know how far away Sam and Bran are from Jon?

164. I’m relieved that Arya is safe. How sad she saw her mother dead when she was dreaming! I had forgotten about Lysa…good idea to take her there. The Hound says Arya’s not worth spit to him now, so why does he continue to take care of her?

165. OK, now the Hound wants to take Arya to Riverrun but she wants to go to the Wall. To me, neither sounds like a safe option! Do you think she would be better off with Blackfish or with Jon Snow?

166. Wow, even Bronn won’t fight for Tyrion now. Does he have a chance at all? Seems nobody minds lying at the trial. If Tyrion does confess, do you believe Tywin would send him to the Wall?

167. Hmmm, Oberyn as champion. I like it…a chance to kill his sister’s murderer. Should be a good fight! However, do you think the Mountain would come as commanded? I get the feeling he may go rogue.

168. Do you think Jaime can be a successful Commander of the Kingsguard with only one hand? He’s not getting respect from everyone. Will Ser Boros pay for his insolence?

169. I think Jaime has almost convinced Loras that Brienne didn’t kill Renly. It appears Jaime believes a shadow was the culprit. Does his belief have more to do with his belief in supernatural occurrence or his faith in Brienne? So, if/when Brienne is released, what will she do? Stay in King’s Landing?

170. Regarding Ser Loras, Knight of the Flowers, in the TV series, it’s made explicitly clear that he and Renly are lovers. So, as I’ve been reading, I’ve been looking for clues to this wondering if GRRM wrote it that way or if the producers were taking artistic license. There are hints such as the “Rainbow Guard” and the fact that Margaery is still a virgin, but I never saw anything definitive until one scene in which Jaime tells Loras, “I’ll take it [the sword] from you and shove it up some place even Renly never found.” (Chapter 62 Jaime) So to me this was saying, yes they had been lovers and people knew about it. Anyway, my main point here is that if they were, why wasn’t it made more explicit? Would a relationship such as this alienate readers? It’s ok to have incestuous twins but not two men in love? Thoughts?
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Questions for Chapter 68 (Sansa) to Chapter 71 (Daenerys)
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171. It began in Sansa’s last chapter (61), that first niggling doubt that she might not have been better off with Tyrion. Hindsight being such a wondrous thing, it rises again. Will Sansa continue to compare her marriage to Tyrion with her currently precarious situation and finally realize some truth about Tyrion as the story goes on? Ugh! Being married to Robert, she just might!

172. “A harp can be a dangerous as a sword, in the right hands.” Lord Petyr Baelish, Littlefinger, has a way of twisting words to suit his purpose. Right off the bat, we hear more half-truths regarding Tyrion character when Littlefinger tells Sansa her husband turned his first wife over to the guards when he grew tired of her. Later Littlefinger tells her, “Clean hands, Sansa. Whatever you do, make certain your hands are clean.” And more good advice with, “When you know what a man wants you know who he is, and how to move him.” Will Sansa ever figure out what Littlefinger’s “songs” to her are manipulations, find out his wants, maneuver him to do her bidding, all the while keeping her hands clean? Is even that possible by the end of this series?

173. What did I say about time in my last set of answers regarding the Wall? It has been there for 8,000 years and it looks like Mance Rayder means to fight that long. I was wondering how long Jon Snow could keep battling when Ser Allister Thorne and Lord Janos Slynt show up! How will Lord Janos deal with Jon Snow’s “treason”?

174. Were you as sad as I was that even Podrick Payne, Tyrion’s squire, believes Tyrion guilty?

175. And Shae! How could she lie in court about Tyrion? What was her motive? Gold, prestige, hatred, or coercion?

176. Did you think Tyrion was going to confess to King Joffrey’s murder and hope he’d be sent to the Wall? Were you surprised by the confession he gave?

177. Before it began, who did you believe was going to win Tyrion’s trial by battle? There at the end, did you think Prince Oberyn was going to have a victory over Ser Gregor? What does a draw mean for Tyrion?

178. Joso’s Cock? Well now we know how Dany conquered Meereen. As well as the “three treasons”. Do you feel she should have forgiven Ser Jorah? Will not doing so come back to haunt her? Or only her dreams?

179. Were you surprised that Dany decided to stay?
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Questions for Chapter 72 (Jaime) - Chapter 75 (Samwell)
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180) What did you think about the fake Arya? For a second I thought maybe we'd missed something and Arya had been captured.

181) Do you think Jaime is done with Cersei? Do you think he's seeing her in a different light? Perhaps experiencing feelings of regret?

182) Why does Jaime sound so...depressed, like he's going to die... perhaps a tad bit suicidal when he talks to Brienne? Anyone else get that vibe?

183) Do you think Slynt sent Jon on what he figured would be a suicidal mission?

184) I was wrong about the horn of winter. Still not sure what it does. Did they say something about it calling giants or something?

185) Surprised Stannis sent men?

186) Surprised Arya left the Hound? Did you think she might forgive him?

187) What do you think of the Hound? Do you think he's haunted by what he's done? Do you think he had a choice?

188)Anyone else get a bit confused by how much information seems to be skipped then later explained? I keep wondering if I missed something. These last chapters seem to be choppy and hard to follow almost like Martin didn't know how to fit it all in and hurriedly tried to bring it all to an end.

189) Sam's back, but what happened to Bran? I'm confused. He's in hiding, but where? What happened?

190) Who do you think will rule that wall? Will Samwell throw in his cap? What will happen to Jon? Was everything decided?
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Questions for Chapter 76 (Jon) - Chapter 79 (Jon)
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191) Should Jon have said no to being Lord of Winterfell? Oh, and for the record I still think we're going to find out something about Jon's mother that we still haven;t heard. I'm just not sure what. I think there's still a mystery there.

192) When Ghost came back it was the deciding factor for Jon what his choice would be. Do you think everything will come down to a war between Gods? Do we know who Dany believes in?

193) We now know Tansy is Tysha. Virtual high five to Lisa Kay for being my partner in thinking that might be the case. So now it would appear she had a child that wasn't Tyrion's. Remember what Catelyn's father said about the next one being trueborn.

194) Would you have believed Tyrion would kill his father? Will he find Tysha? Are they still married? Did Tysha actually give birth to Tyrion's child? So many questions. So many unanswered questions.

195) I know Tyrion lied about killing Joffrey because he was mad at his brother. Do you think this will come back to bite him in the butt later?

196) Without Tywin around what do you think will happen?

197) Loving Samwell more and more all the time. Clever lad. Were you surprised he lied and got Jon elected as master of the wall?

198) Do you like the fact that Jon is now the in charge of the Wall?
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Questions for Chapter 80 (Sansa) - Epilogue
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199) Sansa has really gotten herself into a pickle with Littlefinger. No one knows who she is and he's got his sights set on her. Just like Arya she can't get a break.

200) Cuckoo Bird (Lysa) is gone and oh how many songs she sang before she left. Anyone as surprised as me about some of those confessions? Did you think Lysa would have killed her husband and lied to her sister? Does any of this confuse you as to the reason why Littlefinger did it?

201) What was with the shaking with young Robert?

202) She's back!!!! Oh dear lord is she ever! Catelyn survived????? Truly???? How the heck did that happen and how did she recruit anyone without being able to talk?

203) Who's continuing and, those of you who are continuing, when should we read the next book? Should we take a break in between this one and the next? (hide spoiler)]

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[Steven]

Tagged! :D

[Zonnah]

I can not wait to start book three :)

[Teresa]

Finishing Book 2 a few days behind, but looking forward to Book 3!

[Mirliz]

Can't wait to start with this one! This series has really captured me!

[Corey]

Gah, I would love to discuss this with everyone but I am only about 40% into the first novel, I can't imagine being finished with it and the second to start this one on time, but I am definitely going to try.

[Steven]

Corey wrote: "Gah, I would love to discuss this with everyone but I am only about 40% into the first novel, I can't imagine being finished with it and the second to start this one on time, but I am definitely go..."

People will still be discussing well into March, I'd assume. They're still talking about books one and two! :)

[Renee]

Questions for Prologue - Chapter 3 (Arya)
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1) I always wondered in the back of my mind about how loyal people who were forced to take the black would be to the cause. Were you surprised that a group was ready to rebel?
I hadn't really thought about it before, but not really surprised.

2) When the horn blew for the third time were you surprised? We hadn't heard from the Others in a while and how ironic they show up with the first flakes of snow. I expected it to be the Wildings come a bit early.
I wasn't expecting the others yet. Nobody seems to believe in them so I didn't expect them to understand.

3) Brienne seems quite resourceful. Were you surprised by how she took charge and put a hole through the ship with a boulder?
Go Brienne!

4) Were you surprised by Jamie being faithful to Cersei? She is definitely not faithful.
As a knights guard, he is not allowed to marry, so noone would be chasing him, and he has been captive for a while. I think he really loves her. Cersei loves power more and uses sex as a weapon.

5) Who the heck sent someone to kill Bran in his bed? The plot thickens. Could it have been Littlefinger?
It was Littlefingers knife. Motive?

6) Surprised Jaime didn't bash Brienne over the head with an oar? I was.
Maybe he is still a gentleman. Knightly behaviour. Nobody is purely good or evil, very human in this book.

7) I'm still confused about what potentially happened to Lysa. Did she have a child before she got married, and, if so whose?
I got a bit lost there too.

8) Feeling any sympathy for Lysa?
Yes

9) Is Sansa doomed? Who did the worse thing Edmure or Catelyn. Both were definitely wrong.
As a Mother, I'll side with Mother;'s love and protection.

10) We finally know what happened to Ayra. Seems like we pick up on her story were we last heard (which seems a bit out of sync with everything else) of her in the last book. Do you think her wolf is coming back? Do you think the dream was her having a mind meld with her wolf?
I think she is having the same connection with her wolf as Bran and Rickon.
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Questions for Chapter 4 (Tyrion) – Chapter 7 (Jon)
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11) Poor Tyrion! His face and body so battered. Do you think Ser Bronn will remain faithful? Will he find a connection between Ser Mandon Moore and Queen Cersei? What good will it do, except give him certainty? Think he’ll act on any knowledge gained?
Ser Bron has changed sides when it suited him before, I don't trust him.

12) What was your initial impression of Ser Addam Marband, commander of the gold cloaks?
Not sure

13) What happened to those 'almost warm feelings' the last time Lord Tywin saw Tyrion? Were you surprised Tyrion was so unappreciated by his father? Did it piss you off as much as it did me? Is this Cersei’s doing?
Cersie dobbed on him about the "whore". So she stirred up problems that were already there. I was surprised that Lord Tywin made Tyrion the hand on the king in the first place. Not surprised that he took it back when it suited him or that he has no respect for his son.

14) Think Lord Tywin is going to pay for his treatment of Alayaya? Is it possible you are now even more worried about Shae being discovered?
I hope Shaye stays safe, but the author kills off whoever he feels like, so nobody is safe.

15) Were you surprised Tyrion asked for Casterly Rock? What about Lord Tywin's response? Think Tyrion will possess it one day?
He is next in line by blood for Casterly Rock. I hope he gets it.

16) Davos is still alive! Wow. Little bit of a vision quest taking place out there on Onion Island, huh? Comments. Now just what is he planning?
I think he just wants to live.

17) On first learning of Sansa’s invite from Margaery Tyrell, what did you think her motivation was?
Know your enemy.

18) Did Ser Loras really not remember Sansa? I guess I’m a little dense, but I didn’t understand how Sansa had offended Ser Loras by mentioning his unhorsing Robar Royce. Because treachery and conspiracy was involved later that day, therefore he was reminded of her father’s supposed duplicity?
He gave out that many roses, I'm not surprised he didn't remember Sansa, he never spoke to her before or since.

19) What did you think of Lady Olenna, Queen of Thorns? Should Sansa have confided in her and her court? Can Sansa trust them? Did you think the song went along with what they were discussing in a macabre sort of way?
I think she can trust them more than the Lannisters. They have their own agenda and power plays, and if she helps them they may help her.

20) Did you feel a little sorry for Sansa, spinning her romantic notions of a knight in shining armor again? Or were you just disgusted with her naïve?
I though straight away that it wouldn't be him they were talking about. I like that she always hopes for the best though. I think they might think Sansa would be a good match because she has a cripple brother too and might understand him better, and that as daughter of a traitor and reject of Joffrey, she might not have many other options and wont be so picky.

21) Did you know the turncloak, Mance Rayder, King-beyond-the-Wall, was the one sitting in the middle of the tent playing the lute and singing? Any significance in the song he sang? What did you think of his captains, chiefs? How about that he sent them away and left his wife, Dalla, to listen to their talk?
He must love and trust Dalla deeply to involve her in his counsel. I didn't expect him to the the musician.

22) What do you think of Jon Snow’s “undercover” work? Will he be successful? Will he stay true? Make and alliance between the wildings and the Night’s Watch? Maybe get them to join forces to fight the Others?
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[Zonnah]

Renee wrote: "Nobody is purely good or evil"

Good point. I am enjoying reading Jamie's viewpoint.

[Zonnah]

Questions for Prologue - Chapter 3 (Arya)

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1) I always wondered in the back of my mind about how loyal people who were forced to take the black would be to the cause. Were you surprised that a group was ready to rebel?

No, it has to be miserable out there with an intense feeling of hopelessness.

2) When the horn blew for the third time were you surprised? We hadn't heard from the Others in a while and how ironic they show up with the first flakes of snow. I expected it to be the Wildings come a bit early.

Not surprised. The wildings were searching for something in the last book and my guess was the others so maybe they found them.

3) Brienne seems quite resourceful. Were you surprised by how she took charge and put a hole through the ship with a boulder?

No, it fit her character.

4) Were you surprised by Jamie being faithful to Cersei? She is definitely not faithful.

No, he seemed to be like a puppy dog to her. She was never that way to him.

5) Who the heck sent someone to kill Bran in his bed? The plot thickens. Could it have been Littlefinger?

I wish I knew.

6) Surprised Jaime didn't bash Brienne over the head with an oar? I was.

This did surprise me. But, maybe after seeing how she kept him safe he realized she could be useful.

7) I'm still confused about what potentially happened to Lysa. Did she have a child before she got married, and, if so whose?

It seems she got pregnant before marrying and then got married and then miscarried. I would like to know whose as well.

8) Feeling any sympathy for Lysa?

Still do not like her.

9) Is Sansa doomed? Who did the worse thing Edmure or Catelyn. Both were definitely wrong.

One of those situations where neither are right or wrong. Desperation is what they are both feeling.

10) We finally know what happened to Ayra. Seems like we pick up on her story were we last heard (which seems a bit out of sync with everything else) of her in the last book. Do you think her wolf is coming back? Do you think the dream was her having a mind meld with her wolf?

Mind meld for sure. (love the star trek reference :) ) I think her wolf has been following her this whole time.

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[sonya]

I'll do this

[Zonnah]

Questions for Chapter 4 (Tyrion) – Chapter 7 (Jon)
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11) Poor Tyrion! His face and body so battered. Do you think Ser Bronn will remain faithful? Will he find a connection between Ser Mandon Moore and Queen Cersei? What good will it do, except give him certainty? Think he’ll act on any knowledge gained?

He will not remain faithful. I think he will find a connection. I think he might abandon his family.

12) What was your initial impression of Ser Addam Marband, commander of the gold cloaks?

Did not have one.

13) What happened to those 'almost warm feelings' the last time Lord Tywin saw Tyrion? Were you surprised Tyrion was so unappreciated by his father? Did it piss you off as much as it did me? Is this Cersei’s doing?

Yes I was upset and felt bad for Tyrion!

14) Think Lord Tywin is going to pay for his treatment of Alayaya? Is it possible you are now even more worried about Shae being discovered?

I don't know if he will pay but I hope so and not just for Alayaya but for Tyrion as well.

15) Were you surprised Tyrion asked for Casterly Rock? What about Lord Tywin's response? Think Tyrion will possess it one day?

He just might but not by the proper way. I still feel as if he is going to switch sides. Not sure to what side though.

16) Davos is still alive! Wow. Little bit of a vision quest taking place out there on Onion Island, huh? Comments. Now just what is he planning?

I am glad he choose to live. He seems to be a little smarter now.

17) On first learning of Sansa’s invite from Margaery Tyrell, what did you think her motivation was?

I had no idea but I did not want her to go, it felt weird.

18) Did Ser Loras really not remember Sansa? I guess I’m a little dense, but I didn’t understand how Sansa had offended Ser Loras by mentioning his unhorsing Robar Royce. Because treachery and conspiracy was involved later that day, therefore he was reminded of her father’s supposed duplicity?

lol, I was lost as well because I could not remember what he was talking about. I have a hard time with books with lots of characters and multiple story lines.

19) What did you think of Lady Olenna, Queen of Thorns? Should Sansa have confided in her and her court? Can Sansa trust them? Did you think the song went along with what they were discussing in a macabre sort of way?

I liked her. She says what on her mind and does not hide it. I hope she can trust them; she needs someone she can trust. LOL, I know I should read songs in books but I can't stand it. I skimmed the song.

20) Did you feel a little sorry for Sansa, spinning her romantic notions of a knight in shining armor again? Or were you just disgusted with her naïve?

She is just a dreamer and I don't think that will ever change.

21) Did you know the turncloak, Mance Rayder, King-beyond-the-Wall, was the one sitting in the middle of the tent playing the lute and singing? Any significance in the song he sang? What did you think of his captains, chiefs? How about that he sent them away and left his wife, Dalla, to listen to their talk?

I had no idea but was a cool twist to the plot. He is interesting and I want to learn more about him.

22) What do you think of Jon Snow’s “undercover” work? Will he be successful? Will he stay true? Make and alliance between the wildings and the Night’s Watch? Maybe get them to join forces to fight the Others?

Good points and I have no idea. :)
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[sonya]

i can only find book 2

[Lisa Kay]

Sonya wrote: "i can only find book 2"

You mean as far as availability where your are, Sonia?

[sonya]

i own all 6 books,but cAN ONLY FIND THE SECOND BOOK RIGHT NOW

[Lisa Kay]

Ah! Got it. I hate it when I do that.

[Lisa Kay]

Did you check the refrigerator? **giggles**

[sonya]

i loaned it from the library as ebook

[SandyC]

I'm still (re)reading book 2. :-)

[Mirliz]

Prologue - Chapter 3

(view spoiler)[1) I always wondered in the back of my mind about how loyal people who were forced to take the black would be to the cause. Were you surprised that a group was ready to rebel?

Not really, when you think about what kind of people have been forced to take the black, it's not very surprising that they aren't very loyal.

2) When the horn blew for the third time were you surprised? We hadn't heard from the Others in a while and how ironic they show up with the first flakes of snow. I expected it to be the Wildings come a bit early.

I actually expected it to be the Others, because it's been such a long time since we heard of them.

3) Brienne seems quite resourceful. Were you surprised by how she took charge and put a hole through the ship with a boulder?

No. She is clever and has a quick mind, and she seems very loyal. She definitely means to succeed on her mission.

4) Were you surprised by Jamie being faithful to Cersei? She is definitely not faithful.

Just a little. I suspected him to be more faithful than her at least, but not to this level. That doesn't make me like him more though.

5) Who the heck sent someone to kill Bran in his bed? The plot thickens. Could it have been Littlefinger?

I wish I knew! When I read this part, the only name that came to my mind was indeed Littlefinger. But why?

6) Surprised Jaime didn't bash Brienne over the head with an oar? I was.

Not really. He's still in irons, bashing her would do nothing to help him escape and be free, right?

7) I'm still confused about what potentially happened to Lysa. Did she have a child before she got married, and, if so whose?

This confused me as well. And made me very curious to know her story!

8) Feeling any sympathy for Lysa?

Still not much.

9) Is Sansa doomed? Who did the worse thing Edmure or Catelyn. Both were definitely wrong.

Catelyn definitely did wrong, but what Edmure did just made it worse, so in my opinion Edmure did the worse thing. I hope Sansa will be okay anyway.

10) We finally know what happened to Ayra. Seems like we pick up on her story were we last heard (which seems a bit out of sync with everything else) of her in the last book. Do you think her wolf is coming back? Do you think the dream was her having a mind meld with her wolf?

Yes, I think it was that kind of dream. Which should mean that her wolf is coming back - at least back into the story! (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 4-7

(view spoiler)[11) Poor Tyrion! His face and body so battered. Do you think Ser Bronn will remain faithful? Will he find a connection between Ser Mandon Moore and Queen Cersei? What good will it do, except give him certainty? Think he’ll act on any knowledge gained?

I hope that Ser Bronn will remain faithful. I feel so sorry for Tyrion! I'm still not sure whose side he's on but he's still one of my favorite characters.

13) What happened to those 'almost warm feelings' the last time Lord Tywin saw Tyrion? Were you surprised Tyrion was so unappreciated by his father? Did it piss you off as much as it did me? Is this Cersei’s doing?

I wasn't surprised - that was sort of what I had expected.

14) Think Lord Tywin is going to pay for his treatment of Alayaya? Is it possible you are now even more worried about Shae being discovered?

I guess he'll pay one way or another. Regarding Shae, I've always been worried. But mostly for Tyrion's sake.

15) Were you surprised Tyrion asked for Casterly Rock? What about Lord Tywin's response? Think Tyrion will possess it one day?

I was a little surprised but I hope he'll possess it eventually.

16) Davos is still alive! Wow. Little bit of a vision quest taking place out there on Onion Island, huh? Comments. Now just what is he planning?

I have no idea, but I guess he'll try to fight the witch somehow.

17) On first learning of Sansa’s invite from Margaery Tyrell, what did you think her motivation was?

I was certain that Margaery would want to know more about Joff.

18) Did Ser Loras really not remember Sansa? I guess I’m a little dense, but I didn’t understand how Sansa had offended Ser Loras by mentioning his unhorsing Robar Royce. Because treachery and conspiracy was involved later that day, therefore he was reminded of her father’s supposed duplicity?

I have no idea.

19) What did you think of Lady Olenna, Queen of Thorns? Should Sansa have confided in her and her court? Can Sansa trust them? Did you think the song went along with what they were discussing in a macabre sort of way?

That is one tough, cool and interesting woman, but I wouldn't want to be in Sansa's situation! I hope Sansa can trust them, but I think she can.

20) Did you feel a little sorry for Sansa, spinning her romantic notions of a knight in shining armor again? Or were you just disgusted with her naïve?

She's still too naive for my liking, but I feel a little sorry for her anyway. She's been through a lot.

21) Did you know the turncloak, Mance Rayder, King-beyond-the-Wall, was the one sitting in the middle of the tent playing the lute and singing? Any significance in the song he sang? What did you think of his captains, chiefs? How about that he sent them away and left his wife, Dalla, to listen to their talk?

I didn't guess that was him.

22) What do you think of Jon Snow’s “undercover” work? Will he be successful? Will he stay true? Make and alliance between the wildings and the Night’s Watch? Maybe get them to join forces to fight the Others?

Oh I hadn't thought about an alliance before. But that could be wise. As for Jon, he's doing well so far. (hide spoiler)]

[Zonnah]

Questions for Chapter 8 (Daenerys) - Chapter 11 (Jaime)
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23. Do you think Ser Jorah is right not to trust Whitebeard? (Just an observation, since there was so little of Dany in the previous book, I liked how there was a paragraph recapping what she’s been through.)

I think so. They were sent by that fat guy (can't remember name) and he seems to have an ulterior motive.

24. We now know that Dany enjoys feeding her dragons in the nude (ha ha!). What a visual: the dragons roasting their own meat! That would come in handy at barbecues. Did you expect Ser Jorah to make a move on Dany? Do you think she will accept his proposal? I think she will be like Queen Elizabeth I and be only wed to her country.

Not surprising he is a guy. Maybe she would have multiple husbands. I have no idea, she is hard for me to predict.

25. Sounds like Bran is really getting the hang of using his third eye. I am unclear on why they are traveling beyond the wall. Who are they looking for (a person who can teach Bran)? Do we know specifically? I wish we could see how Rickon and Osha are faring!

I don't think we know specifically. It seems to be where the three eyed crow was seen.

26. More confusion: Davos believes that Melisandre sent the fire on the battleships, but it was the “wildfire”, right? Or did Melisandre just add to it?

I thought it was the wildfire as well.

27. Do you think Salladhor Saan betrayed Davos? Will Davos live to get his revenge on Melisandre?

I did not even make that connection but it is either that or Melisandre can see the future.

28. Did anyone else think, “I‘ve got a bad feeling about this” when the Kingslayer was allowed to get on a horse? Even with wrist chains, the man is crafty!

No I did not but I would not put it past him.

29. Bit of a digression…in this chapter Elia of Dorne is mentioned (wife of Rhaegar). Does Mance Rayder’s song about the Dornishman’s wife have something to do with her or someone related to her?

Now you lost me, lol.

30. So, we learn that Jaime had almost been betrothed to Lysa Tully (interesting!) and that he joined the Kingsguard because Cersei wanted him too (manipulative b-tch!) Do you think Tywin knew about the twins’ relationship? Is that why he resigned as Hand and took Cersei back to Casterly Rock?

I take him as a smart guy and would think he has his suspicions.

31. Thoughts on Jaime killing the King? Sounds like Aerys wanted Jaime to kill his own father. I am wondering about the plan leading up to the assassination. Jaime is called Kingslayer, but many were in on the plot, no?

Not sure, but I did enjoy hearing Jaime's side of the story.

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[Zonnah]

Sonya wrote: "i own all 6 books,but cAN ONLY FIND THE SECOND BOOK RIGHT NOW"

That would be so frustrating, good thing we have libraries and glad you can join us :)

Lisa Ray wrote: "Did you check the refrigerator? **giggles** "

lol

[Teresa]

Questions for Prologue - Chapter 3 (Arya)

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1) I always wondered in the back of my mind about how loyal people who were forced to take the black would be to the cause. Were you surprised that a group was ready to rebel?
No. We have seen throughout the books that there are deserters. And, I am not entirely surprised these guys want to flee.

2) When the horn blew for the third time were you surprised? We hadn't heard from the Others in a while and how ironic they show up with the first flakes of snow. I expected it to be the Wildings come a bit early.
I was surprised. They make it sound like the others move like an army or pack coming in. Organized zombies?

3) Brienne seems quite resourceful. Were you surprised by how she took charge and put a hole through the ship with a boulder?
I thought it was in line with her character so far. She is very determined.

4) Were you surprised by Jamie being faithful to Cersei? She is definitely not faithful.
I think this adds an interesting layer to an otherwise heinous character.

5) Who the heck sent someone to kill Bran in his bed? The plot thickens. Could it have been Littlefinger?
My guess all along has been Littlefinger – I think it plays into his political goals.

6) Surprised Jaime didn't bash Brienne over the head with an oar? I was.
In some ways, they make good allies during the journey at least.

7) I'm still confused about what potentially happened to Lysa. Did she have a child before she got married, and, if so whose?
I think she had a miscarriage, but perhaps I read too much into the story.

8) Feeling any sympathy for Lysa?
Nah.

9) Is Sansa doomed? Who did the worse thing Edmure or Catelyn. Both were definitely wrong.
I don’t think so. Although, I don’t see in the big picture how she gets freed by giving back Jaime. It’s like she skipped the step in the negotiations where the other side agreed to her plan.

10) We finally know what happened to Ayra. Seems like we pick up on her story were we last heard (which seems a bit out of sync with everything else) of her in the last book. Do you think her wolf is coming back? Do you think the dream was her having a mind meld with her wolf?
I think she is communicating with the wolf, but does not realize it. I believe the wolf will come back, but when? (hide spoiler)]

[Teresa]

Nothing like spending a lunch hour catching up on GOT questions!

Questions for Chapter 4 (Tyrion) – Chapter 7 (Jon)

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11) Poor Tyrion! His face and body so battered. Do you think Ser Bronn will remain faithful? Will he find a connection between Ser Mandon Moore and Queen Cersei? What good will it do, except give him certainty? Think he’ll act on any knowledge gained?
I think if he can find proof, he will have something to hold over her head, now that he has lost so much control.

12) What was your initial impression of Ser Addam Marband, commander of the gold cloaks?
Meh.

13) What happened to those 'almost warm feelings' the last time Lord Tywin saw Tyrion? Were you surprised Tyrion was so unappreciated by his father? Did it piss you off as much as it did me? Is this Cersei’s doing?
It was an about face. But, Tywin does not like weakness and Tyrion was injured. That paired with Cersei actively trying to remove Tyrion’s influence could lead to the change. I thought it interesting that Tyrion seemed so surprised – these positions seem in line with their characters.

14) Think Lord Tywin is going to pay for his treatment of Alayaya? Is it possible you are now even more worried about Shae being discovered?
I suspect Tyrion will be paying him back for many things. I am concerned for Shae. Obviously, Tywin has created a situation where he will have to take action. And, Shae has consistently pressed to be more openly couple with Tyrion. If she was satisfied with being tucked away, I would have a better feeling for her. But, I think she will push her luck. For some reason, this insistence of hers makes me suspicious of her.

15) Were you surprised Tyrion asked for Casterly Rock? What about Lord Tywin's response? Think Tyrion will possess it one day?
I think it speaks to his evolving during his time in power. And yes, I suspect he will make that happen for sure now.

16) Davos is still alive! Wow. Little bit of a vision quest taking place out there on Onion Island, huh? Comments. Now just what is he planning?
I was excited he was still alive and think his story will be interesting to follow.

17) On first learning of Sansa’s invite from Margaery Tyrell, what did you think her motivation was?
I thought she may be assessing whether Sansa was a threat. Instead, I think she was smartly figuring out the lay of the land.

18) Did Ser Loras really not remember Sansa? I guess I’m a little dense, but I didn’t understand how Sansa had offended Ser Loras by mentioning his unhorsing Robar Royce. Because treachery and conspiracy was involved later that day, therefore he was reminded of her father’s supposed duplicity?
I suppose he may not remember her. Girls seems to chase him regularly, so Sansa may not have stood out. I was confused at the offense as well.

19) What did you think of Lady Olenna, Queen of Thorns? Should Sansa have confided in her and her court? Can Sansa trust them? Did you think the song went along with what they were discussing in a macabre sort of way?
Love the Queen of Thorns. It is good to see a clever woman applying herself to the situation – reminds me of Tyrion. I think Sansa can trust them if she sides with them. I do think the Queen of Thorns will protect her own, and if Sansa is one of them, then she will be protected as well.

20) Did you feel a little sorry for Sansa, spinning her romantic notions of a knight in shining armor again? Or were you just disgusted with her naïve?
Seriously annoyed. The girl is just plain shallow and refuses to realistically assess her world. Arya would tell her to look with her eyes!

21) Did you know the turncloak, Mance Rayder, King-beyond-the-Wall, was the one sitting in the middle of the tent playing the lute and singing? Any significance in the song he sang? What did you think of his captains, chiefs? How about that he sent them away and left his wife, Dalla, to listen to their talk?
Didn’t know it was him. I liked that he let his wife listen – suggests that they value her opinion. I think his will also be an interesting story.

22) What do you think of Jon Snow’s “undercover” work? Will he be successful? Will he stay true? Make and alliance between the wildings and the Night’s Watch? Maybe get them to join forces to fight the Others?
I think he will stay true to his brothers, but may discovery the Wildings are not the enemy they think. Or, at least, may be a good ally against the others. I can’t decide if the Wildings are fleeing the Others or hunting them. (hide spoiler)]

[Mirliz]

Chapter 8-11

(view spoiler)[23. Do you think Ser Jorah is right not to trust Whitebeard? (Just an observation, since there was so little of Dany in the previous book, I liked how there was a paragraph recapping what she’s been through.)

I think he's right to be suspicious.

24. We now know that Dany enjoys feeding her dragons in the nude (ha ha!). What a visual: the dragons roasting their own meat! That would come in handy at barbecues. Did you expect Ser Jorah to make a move on Dany? Do you think she will accept his proposal? I think she will be like Queen Elizabeth I and be only wed to her country.

I was a little surprised at his move. I'm not sure she will accept.

25. Sounds like Bran is really getting the hang of using his third eye. I am unclear on why they are traveling beyond the wall. Who are they looking for (a person who can teach Bran)? Do we know specifically? I wish we could see how Rickon and Osha are faring!

I'm curious to know.

26. More confusion: Davos believes that Melisandre sent the fire on the battleships, but it was the “wildfire”, right? Or did Melisandre just add to it?

I thought it was only the wildfire?

27. Do you think Salladhor Saan betrayed Davos? Will Davos live to get his revenge on Melisandre?

I hope he will get his revenge. He doesn't deserve to be executed before he gets a chance.

28. Did anyone else think, “I‘ve got a bad feeling about this” when the Kingslayer was allowed to get on a horse? Even with wrist chains, the man is crafty!

I like these chapters, we get to know a lot about Jaime. I don't think he will run away yet.

29. Bit of a digression…in this chapter Elia of Dorne is mentioned (wife of Rhaegar). Does Mance Rayder’s song about the Dornishman’s wife have something to do with her or someone related to her?

No idea, I haven't thought about that.

30. So, we learn that Jaime had almost been betrothed to Lysa Tully (interesting!) and that he joined the Kingsguard because Cersei wanted him too (manipulative b-tch!) Do you think Tywin knew about the twins’ relationship? Is that why he resigned as Hand and took Cersei back to Casterly Rock?

Tywyn might have guessed but I don't know. I'm glad for all the information we finally get about Jaime.

31. Thoughts on Jaime killing the King? Sounds like Aerys wanted Jaime to kill his own father. I am wondering about the plan leading up to the assassination. Jaime is called Kingslayer, but many were in on the plot, no?

It sounds like they were many, yes. And that he had to take the blame. It could very well have been someone else getting the name Kingslayer if things had turned out differently. But it seems Jaime had good reasons to kill Aerys. (hide spoiler)]

[Teresa]

Questions for Chapter 8 (Daenerys) - Chapter 11 (Jaime)

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23. Do you think Ser Jorah is right not to trust Whitebeard? (Just an observation, since there was so little of Dany in the previous book, I liked how there was a paragraph recapping what she’s been through.)
I think so. But, am unsure on this one.

24. We now know that Dany enjoys feeding her dragons in the nude (ha ha!). What a visual: the dragons roasting their own meat! That would come in handy at barbecues. Did you expect Ser Jorah to make a move on Dany? Do you think she will accept his proposal? I think she will be like Queen Elizabeth I and be only wed to her country.
I think she will marry, but not give up control. And the fire aspect would make me put my clothes right back on, thank you. I thought Ser Jorah had accepted being in the friend zone, so I was surprised. I also don’t think will end up with him – he is too fatherly and will be too likely to start taking over control if she accepts his advances.

25. Sounds like Bran is really getting the hang of using his third eye. I am unclear on why they are traveling beyond the wall. Who are they looking for (a person who can teach Bran)? Do we know specifically? I wish we could see how Rickon and Osha are faring!
I think they are looking for a teacher for him – and that they don’t yet know who it is other than he exists. Because Bran wants to escape his handicap, it is probably wise to have someone teach him.

26. More confusion: Davos believes that Melisandre sent the fire on the battleships, but it was the “wildfire”, right? Or did Melisandre just add to it?
It was the wildfire, but I think he blames her for the situation.

27. Do you think Salladhor Saan betrayed Davos? Will Davos live to get his revenge on Melisandre?
I don’t think he betrayed Davos. But, it is clear that Melisandre is isolating King Stanis, so she will not want Davos around.

28. Did anyone else think, “I‘ve got a bad feeling about this” when the Kingslayer was allowed to get on a horse? Even with wrist chains, the man is crafty!
I still think his best bet is work with Brienne during the journey. She is obviously trying to keep him alive and safe. If he want to betray her, he can do so once he is released. Interesting to see the similarity of this journey to that of Tyrion after Catelyn took him prisoner.

29. Bit of a digression…in this chapter Elia of Dorne is mentioned (wife of Rhaegar). Does Mance Rayder’s song about the Dornishman’s wife have something to do with her or someone related to her?
Hmmm. I just don’t know.

30. So, we learn that Jaime had almost been betrothed to Lysa Tully (interesting!) and that he joined the Kingsguard because Cersei wanted him too (manipulative b-tch!) Do you think Tywin knew about the twins’ relationship? Is that why he resigned as Hand and took Cersei back to Casterly Rock?
I think he guessed at the least. I have thought it was strange that he has such an inflated reaction to Tyrion bedding whores. During the time, I would think that was not terribly unusual. I wonder if it dates back to Tyrion’s marriage, or if it was Tywin striking out where he could – because he could not publically chastise the twins?

31. Thoughts on Jaime killing the King? Sounds like Aerys wanted Jaime to kill his own father. I am wondering about the plan leading up to the assassination. Jaime is called Kingslayer, but many were in on the plot, no?
It is an interesting juxtaposition with Jaime and Brienne. On the one hand, I take Brienne’s point that he was honor bound to protect the king. But, Jaime may have had the more realistic view that Aerys deserved to die. (hide spoiler)]

[Zonnah]

Teresa wrote: "Arya would tell her to look with her eyes!"

I chuckled at this. I get so frustrated with her character. I am never excited to read her chapters.

[Teresa]

Zonnah wrote: "Teresa wrote: "Arya would tell her to look with her eyes!"

I chuckled at this. I get so frustrated with her character. I am never excited to read her chapters."

Right? So far, the only thing to recommend Ser Loras is his looks and ability at tournaments so far. He is fighting for the Lannisters, and did not remember Sansa even after appearing to take special interst in her - which says something about how often he leads girls on. I thought she was growing up a bit in Book 2, so this scene frustrated me because it was the same old Sansa.

[Zonnah]

Teresa wrote: "I have thought it was strange that he has such an inflated reaction to Tyrion bedding whores."

The only thing I can think of is that he gets so emotionally involved with the whores, instead of just doing them and moving on. I think because of that Tywin is ashamed and maybe embarrassed that his son seems like a love smitten fool.

[Zonnah]

Teresa wrote: "I thought she was growing up a bit in Book 2, so this scene frustrated me because it was the same old Sansa. "

I agree!

[Renee]

Questions for Chapter 8 (Daenerys) - Chapter 11 (Jaime)
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23. Do you think Ser Jorah is right not to trust Whitebeard? (Just an observation, since there was so little of Dany in the previous book, I liked how there was a paragraph recapping what she’s been through.)
I don't really trust whitebeard either.

24. We now know that Dany enjoys feeding her dragons in the nude (ha ha!). What a visual: the dragons roasting their own meat! That would come in handy at barbecues. Did you expect Ser Jorah to make a move on Dany? Do you think she will accept his proposal? I think she will be like Queen Elizabeth I and be only wed to her country.
I'd thought Ser Jorah was in love with her for a while. I don't think they will marry as he would like, and I wonder if he will be the third to betray her for love - unrequited love?

25. Sounds like Bran is really getting the hang of using his third eye. I am unclear on why they are traveling beyond the wall. Who are they looking for (a person who can teach Bran)? Do we know specifically? I wish we could see how Rickon and Osha are faring!
They said they were looking for the crow. Maybe it is someone who sent Bran the first dream and mind melds with a crow. Bran seems to be good at getting into his wolf's body, but not at controlling him while he is there. The wolf still has the control and Bran is observing. He needs to practice taking control (marking tree's, bringing home rabbits etc)

26. More confusion: Davos believes that Melisandre sent the fire on the battleships, but it was the “wildfire”, right? Or did Melisandre just add to it?
I don't think she had anything to do with it.

27. Do you think Salladhor Saan betrayed Davos? Will Davos live to get his revenge on Melisandre?
I thought maybe Melisandre has other powers to eavesdrop or know someones true intent to kill her. The same way she caught the Maester trying to poison her. Noone knew that to betray him.

28. Did anyone else think, “I‘ve got a bad feeling about this” when the Kingslayer was allowed to get on a horse? Even with wrist chains, the man is crafty!
I don't think Jaime will give up and go along peacefully, but I think Briane might just be able to manage him.

29. Bit of a digression…in this chapter Elia of Dorne is mentioned (wife of Rhaegar). Does Mance Rayder’s song about the Dornishman’s wife have something to do with her or someone related to her?
Not sure

30. So, we learn that Jaime had almost been betrothed to Lysa Tully (interesting!) and that he joined the Kingsguard because Cersei wanted him too (manipulative b-tch!) Do you think Tywin knew about the twins’ relationship? Is that why he resigned as Hand and took Cersei back to Casterly Rock?
Hmmm. I don't think he would approve of incest and that might have been what he did.

31. Thoughts on Jaime killing the King? Sounds like Aerys wanted Jaime to kill his own father. I am wondering about the plan leading up to the assassination. Jaime is called Kingslayer, but many were in on the plot, no?
Lot's of plotting and planning in court. I'd always just thought it was a spontaneous slaying, but this makes more sense.
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[Zonnah]

Questions for Chapter 12 (Tyrion) - Chapter 15 (Sansa)
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32) Laughed at Vary's dressing up as a woman.

I had to read it twice to make sure I read it correctly :)

33) Do you think Tyrion will use the steps in Vary's bedroom to his advantage in the future?

I am thinking so.

34) I'm thinking Shae will be Tyrion's downfall. Anyone else?

Yep, but I have not trusted Shae from the beginning and he falls hard when he falls.

35) Cersei is such a tease. She is doing what she told Sansa she does - bear a different kind of weapon. There is a word for women like her.

36) Here's a thought, after pondering Lisa's thoughts about Tyrion's dad, could he have tried to get rid of his son by framing him? Could he have sent the assassin after Bran?

Interesting thought.

37) What do you think of Arya's new "friends"? Should she have revealed herself to Harwin? Who the heck is he with?

He at least seemed to be happy to see her but whether that is to return her to her mother or Cersei I don't know.

38) I think Robb just signed his own death warrant. He did a stupid thing. Anyone else agree?

I agree, I was so disappointed when he broke that treaty. He would have never won that battle if it was not for the freys letting them cross the river. How ungrateful.

39) Gah! Who the heck is Tansy and do we really care?

LOL

40) Seems like we have a bit of a problem communicating our ideas in Kingdom Robb. Wonder how Robb's uncle likes being bossed around by his nephew?

Probably hates it.

41) Jon is having problems of a feminine nature. Talk about blackmail. Any thoughts on this? Think wedding bells are in Jon's future?

No.

42) Mammoths and Giants! How fun. Wonder if the Mammoth is a Sigil of any houses?

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[Teresa]

Questions for Chapter 12 (Tyrion) - Chapter 15 (Sansa)

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32) Laughed at Vary's dressing up as a woman.
That did make me giggle.

33) Do you think Tyrion will use the steps in Vary's bedroom to his advantage in the future?
Absolutely. He is smart enough to gather this type of intel.

34) I'm thinking Shae will be Tyrion's downfall. Anyone else?
She will certainly be her own downfall. I don’t think she will drag Tyrion down with her, although it will seriously affect him if she steps in it.

35) Cersei is such a tease. She is doing what she told Sansa she does - bear a different kind of weapon. There is a word for women like her.
Agreed.

36) Here's a thought, after pondering Lisa's thoughts about Tyrion's dad, could he have tried to get rid of his son by framing him? Could he have sent the assassin after Bran?
Wow. Had not thought of that at all. But, if he wanted to get rid of Tyrion, it seems there would be easier ways to do so. Now, I would not put him above sending the assassin to protect the twins or his family’s name…

37) What do you think of Arya's new "friends"? Should she have revealed herself to Harwin? Who the heck is he with?
I find it troubling that they did not impart to her that her home was burned down.

38) I think Robb just signed his own death warrant. He did a stupid thing. Anyone else agree?
A very stupid thing. Although, perhaps it is understandable given his age.

39) Gah! Who the heck is Tansy and do we really care?
Not at the moment.

40) Seems like we have a bit of a problem communicating our ideas in Kingdom Robb. Wonder how Robb's uncle likes being bossed around by his nephew?
The idea of young kings was prevalent enough that the characters seem to accept it – at last to some degree. There may be some tension of the level of input the uncle has in grand plans Robb has, but he seems to understand who has the backing of the other nobles.

41) Jon is having problems of a feminine nature. Talk about blackmail. Any thoughts on this? Think wedding bells are in Jon's future?
I think this will be step one in how Jon is dragged back into the struggle over the crown. I kept thinking he will have a place in the game of thrones and that the service in the black took him too far outside the rest of society. Although, sleeping with a Wilding may not bring him back to regular society, huh?

42) Mammoths and Giants! How fun. Wonder if the Mammoth is a Sigil of any houses?
Perhaps the sigil of the Wildings… (hide spoiler)] 

[Teresa]

Zonnah wrote: Yep, but I have not trusted Shae from the beginning...

I agree. I don't know what about her character makes me suspicious. Perhaps just that she is constantly pushing Tyrion to keep her with him and involve her more in his life? Although, when I say it out loud, seems more reasonable. :)

[Zonnah]

Teresa wrote: "Although, when I say it out loud, seems more reasonable. :) "

lol, also I think part of why I feel that way is she is always so interested in her jewels and fancy clothing that he gave her.

[Teresa]

Zonnah wrote: "Teresa wrote: "Although, when I say it out loud, seems more reasonable. :) "

lol, also I think part of why I feel that way is she is always so interested in her jewels and fancy clothing that he g..."

See, that sounds so much better! She seems to be trying to climb the social ladder and not solely interested in Tyrion.

[Mirliz]

Chapter 12-15

(view spoiler)[32) Laughed at Vary's dressing up as a woman.

Yes, that was funny!

33) Do you think Tyrion will use the steps in Vary's bedroom to his advantage in the future?

Maybe.

34) I'm thinking Shae will be Tyrion's downfall. Anyone else?

It's very possible. His heart is too weak for his own good.

35) Cersei is such a tease. She is doing what she told Sansa she does - bear a different kind of weapon. There is a word for women like her.

Well, I never did like her.

36) Here's a thought, after pondering Lisa's thoughts about Tyrion's dad, could he have tried to get rid of his son by framing him? Could he have sent the assassin after Bran?

I guess that's a possibility?

37) What do you think of Arya's new "friends"? Should she have revealed herself to Harwin? Who the heck is he with?

Oh I don't know. I really hope she's safe there, although I doubt things will go smoothly for her yet.

38) I think Robb just signed his own death warrant. He did a stupid thing. Anyone else agree?

That was probably the most stupid thing he could ever have done...

39) Gah! Who the heck is Tansy and do we really care?

I have no idea who she is, and I care enough to want to know the story behind this.

40) Seems like we have a bit of a problem communicating our ideas in Kingdom Robb. Wonder how Robb's uncle likes being bossed around by his nephew?

I just hope this won't escalate and get even worse than it already is...

41) Jon is having problems of a feminine nature. Talk about blackmail. Any thoughts on this? Think wedding bells are in Jon's future?

Yes and no. It's a tricky situation. He's still a Brother, not a wildling, so how could he take a wife without breaking his vows? I think it would be stretching it too far to take a wife within his mission of spying on the wildlings... ;)

42) Mammoths and Giants! How fun. Wonder if the Mammoth is a Sigil of any houses?

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[Teresa]

Mirliz wrote: He's still a Brother, not a wildling, so how could he take a wife without breaking his vows?

That is true - and I also can't see him breaking his vows. Though he may need to in order to survive this situation. But, marriage may be truly too far.

[Zonnah]

Mirliz wrote: "That was probably the most stupid thing he could ever have done"

Agreed!

[Renee]

Questions for Chapter 12 (Tyrion) - Chapter 15 (Jon)
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32) Laughed at Vary's dressing up as a woman.
I always love to hear about the disguises Varys takes on.

33) Do you think Tyrion will use the steps in Vary's bedroom to his advantage in the future?
Yes.

34) I'm thinking Shae will be Tyrion's downfall. Anyone else?
She is trying to get a better life through Tyrion. I think she does care for him to some extent and would be faithful to him. I don't think she realizes the extent of danger she is in from Tyrions father, though if he would be to die in battle, I think Tyrion might be able to marry her without reprisal.

35) Cersei is such a tease. She is doing what she told Sansa she does - bear a different kind of weapon. There is a word for women like her.
Well at least she isn't actually sleeping with them all, that would be worse.

36) Here's a thought, after pondering Lisa's thoughts about Tyrion's dad, could he have tried to get rid of his son by framing him? Could he have sent the assassin after Bran?
The assassin had a dagger that belonged to Littlefinger, it never belonged to Tyrion anyway. Littlefinger lied about that. I suspect Littlefinger more, but who is he working for?

37) What do you think of Arya's new "friends"? Should she have revealed herself to Harwin? Who the heck is he with?
I felt so happy when she found someone she knew and trusted. We will see if he should be trusted though.

38) I think Robb just signed his own death warrant. He did a stupid thing. Anyone else agree?
Or the death warrant of his new bride.

39) Gah! Who the heck is Tansy and do we really care?
Tansy is a perennial, herbaceous flowering plant of the aster family. I hope they tell us soon, all these loose ends and clues are hard to keep track of.

40) Seems like we have a bit of a problem communicating our ideas in Kingdom Robb. Wonder how Robb's uncle likes being bossed around by his nephew?
Charging off trying to be the hero didn't work for Edmure or Theon.

41) Jon is having problems of a feminine nature. Talk about blackmail. Any thoughts on this? Think wedding bells are in Jon's future?
Don't balk at anything. Call it maintaining cover and have some fun Jon.

42) Mammoths and Giants! How fun. Wonder if the Mammoth is a Sigil of any houses?
No mammoth sigils, but there is a unicorn one.
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