The Fault in Our Stars
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Am I the only one who hates this book with burning passion?
Aly wrote: "@Mochaespresso: I've had enough of you. Fuck off."LOL!!!!!
The netbully book critics clearly cannot stand being stood up to. It is actually kind of funny to me.
Stepping away from the fight, let me hold the hoops.
I completely agree with you. I do not understand how this book got such high ratings. The whole book was very predictable and I found that Hazel and Augustus was extremely annoying.
mochaespresso did n8thing of the sort an she is defending her opinion, but some things were a tish too far.
Aly wrote: "@Mochaespresso: Netbully? Don't like being stood up to? Are you fucking kidding me? You're being an obnoxious prick, picking on everything and everyone, making us feel bad for having an opinion, in..."Telling someone to go fangirl somewhere else or to be quiet or to fuck off is not "having an opinion". You seem to only want to have "decent discussions" with the people who parrot your povs like bobbleheads. Anyone else is met with rudeness and then you claim victim when called on it. I'm done pandering to the netbully foolishness that is going on in many of the YA and popular book threads. People are acting like they own a thread and can dictate what opinions people can have.
No, you are not the only one who hated the book. However, considering the book's success, you might be in the minority and perhaps this is the reason why you want to treat this thread like you own it and can lord over it and act like Golum when the hobbits took his precious when someone dares to voice an opinion that differs from yours.
Mochaspresso wrote: "Aly wrote: "@Mochaespresso: Telling someone to go fangirl somewhere else or to be quiet or to fuck off is not "having an opinion". You seem to only want to have "decent discussions" with the people who parrot your povs like bobbleheads. ..."Pretty sure you just described the John Green fandom. DFTBA!
Guys it's a BOOK conversation. About BOOKS!!!!!! No need to fight y'all
Carlin wrote: "Guys it's a BOOK conversation. About BOOKS!!!!!! No need to fight y'all"Apparently Mochawhatshername thinks we're Gollums and handing out psychoanalysis like nobody's business. Hating somebody's favourite book can really push someone to the edge.
Trying to be constructive here. Maybe we should set up a list of YA/NA books on this subject that outshine TFIOS - that way people can get their fill without having to deal with John Green's insufferable characters. Or without people thinking we don't understand the genre. Just throwing it out there. :)
Pilcrow wrote: "Trying to be constructive here. Maybe we should set up a list of YA/NA books on this subject that outshine TFIOS - that way people can get their fill without having to deal with John Green's insuff..."Yes, please! I would really love this list. :)
Aly wrote: "@Pilcrow: Now that's an idea!@Mochaespresso: Dontt be silly. But if one more person threatens me either on this thread or by private mail, I'm going to flip my shit. And you honey, are the instig..."
karma, flies to honey, reap what you sow, do onto others, sticks and stones.....
I haven't seen anyone threaten you here in the last week or so since I first read through the thread. Whatever supposedly happened in this thread and has supposedly been deleted is in the past and has nothing to do with any new person who comes into the thread. The only questionable behavior that I have observed is you being rude to anyone that dares to disagree with you.
If you feel the need to "flip your shit", it should be directed at the author of the offending private email and better yet, you should consider having them blocked so that they can't send you emails. You should not be taking your ire out on others.
Sarah wrote: "Aly wrote: "HEYHEYHEY IM READING THR BOOK THIEF! THEY DIE AT THE END?!:'("
Aly - ignore those spoilers. One of the themes - we all die. The Book is still going to be great."
Good answer
Aly wrote: "@Mochaespresso: Look, I haven't been rude to anyone who has disagreed with me In fact, I don't say anything at all so I don't know what you're going on about. Since you first commented on this t..."
Lol. You've been reading the Twilight threads? Or perhaps Fifty Shades? Another place where some people act like they own the threads and woe is you if you disagree with them. That always seems to happen with the trendy popular books. I can disagree with Catcher in the Rye and The Great Gatsby detractors and fans alike with no problems at all, though. I wonder why that is? Lol!!!! :)
Well, since you've brought it up. I've never been banned from anything on goodreads because it's an open forum where people are free to voice their opinions. I've been banned from private message boards because I dared to disagree with the moderator. I was in a hip-hop forum and made the mistake of saying that I didn't like an artist that the moderator idolized. I was banned from a feminist activist board because I said that I didn't agree with some of the ideas being spewed by some of the members like referring to a woman as an insecure slut because she is wearing high heels and lipstick.
I'm not too sorry about being banned from those places. I understand the benefit of keeping out trolls, but I've never liked boards where posts are censored and vetted. It becomes a dystopian endeavor to me. In an effort to stop one thing (that is very easily ignorable), you've created a much eviler monster in the process. I'd rather deal with trolls than censor anyone or have anyone censor me.
I'm here because I recently read the book and I am curious as to how others feel about it....good and bad. I am interested in both povs. I'm not interested in automatically calling someone names or cursing at them because they don't agree with me. I'm not trolling. I'm just not putting up with any of your foolishness in that regard. You are free to leave if you want, but I'm not going anywhere and neither should anyone else unless they actually want to. Everyone has just as much right to post here as anyone else. You can tell me to leave until you are blue in the face, but I will only do so when I am good and ready to.
Aly wrote: "@Mochaespresso: Look, I haven't been rude to anyone who has disagreed with me In fact, I don't say anything at all so I don't know what you're going on about.
Since you first commented on this t..."
She's been a nuisance as long as I've been on here.
Since you first commented on this t..."
She's been a nuisance as long as I've been on here.
Aly wrote: "@Brooke: So I'm not imagining things, am I?"
Nope.
Nope.
@Aly Another poster took the time to point out several of your posts that were rude and insulting. I didn't shove anything down your throat. I disagreed with something that you said about the book. I also disagreed with a rude comment that you made to someone and you cursed at me when I did this. I'm a big girl with a thick skin and don't give a damn about your netbully tactics. This thread was created on Dec. 30, 2013. My first post was in February and the thread had already devolved into the foolishness way before that and imo, it happened because you and others like you seem to be under the impression that only people with a certain pov can post here. Every time someone disagrees with you, you tell them to fuck off or go fangirl/boy elsewhere. I'm sorry for the negative fallout that you've supposedly received behind the scenes but I'm also inclined to say that it's mostly a result of the "chickens coming home to roost".
The drama needs to be stopped all the way around. Not only when it's just directed at "the opposing side" (fans or critics). That is another netbully tactic that I see happening in this thread.
Aly wrote: "@Mochaespresso : I'm not a netbully. I get mad at those who disagree with me just to pick a fight. Get over yourself, and learn to read."Not everyone who disagrees with you is doing so just to pick a fight. I know that I certainly didn't.
Btw, "get over yourself and learn to read" is extremely rude. This is exactly what I'm talking about and why you probably got whatever hate mail you're claiming to have received. Chickens coming home to roost. Hate begets hate.
It's not reeeally an opinion. "I like it" vs. "I hate it," is an opinion. "This is a bad book" vs. "this is a good book" is a fact that can be proved. It was a bad book. It wasn't well written. Whether I or Mochaspresso or Aly like or dislike the book, doesn't mean the book is good or bad. The fact that it's a poorly written lame book makes it bad.
John Green. Author of six novels so far, placing and winning several awards, including the Michael Printz award from the American Library Association for best book based on literary merit, the Edgar Award, and the Los Angeles Times Book Prize, and others. The Fault In Our Stars reached number 1 for two weeks on the New York Times best seller list in February 2012. Married with two children. Close to his brother, the two of whom are partnered in several fundraising projects including the Foundation to Decrease World Suck, Crash Course, Project Awesome, as examples, producing AP educational videos for emerging nations, millions in entrepreneurial loans, and over a million in charitable funds. Worked five months as a student chaplain at a children's hospital which he found emotionally upsetting and served as a basis's for The Fault In Our Stars. He's worked for Booklists and the New York Times, and has written for NPR and WBEZ, and he's only thirty-seven. Both biblical and secular sources advise to walk a mile in another's shoes before passing judgment on a fellow human being and his works, not just a blog or tweet post. The preceding list still scratches the surface of John Green's life. Regardless of how I feel about a book, Godspeed, John Green, to you, your family, and to the joy you have brought to many people in this world.
Katie wrote: "Heather wrote: "It's not reeeally an opinion. "I like it" vs. "I hate it," is an opinion. "This is a bad book" vs. "this is a good book" is a fact that can be proved. It was a bad book. It wasn't w..."His characters were unconvincing and not to mention obnoxious. He was preachy and condescending. His voice was clearly the voice of a 35 year old man and not that of a teenaged girl. The story itself was pointless and hopeless. He used pretentious "fake deep" thoughts like Augustus's cigarette being a metaphor...uhh, of what? Also, large chunks of his prose made absolutely no sense, see Ayesha's review. She posted it on page one of this conversation. I expected to be very moved by children dealing with cancer and the thought of death, aaaand I didn't care because they ended up being boring and pretentious and unbelievable.
And Trace, the bible does not say anything about passing judgment on someone's writing. I didn't say he was a bad person, I honestly don't care what sort of person he is. I said he was a bad author.
Yes! I completely agree. If I could burn the book, I would.
Katie wrote: "@Heather okay. I respect your judgement and opinions. But technically, all books are good to get into publishing.Plenty of bad art is hung in museums every year. Plenty of bad music is produced by companies who know it will sell. And plenty of poorly written books are published every year.
@Heather - wasn't directed at you. Don't know why you assumed. Personal attacks are throughout this thread. Check posts 240 and 245 for example, from a prominent poster here who denies personal attacks, and chastises others for supposed personal attacks, but just look at 240 and 245 as examples. I don't care for tfios either, but much of this thread is sad. I haven't been on this thread in a while, and I can see it's obvious it's only gotten mostly worse. So much time wasted, and vitriol. Rights to express your opinions, sure. Have at it. Meanwhile, John Green, his family, his successes, march on.
I'm not going to get in a pissing match with anyone about this, so just let me voice my opinion peacefully.I honestly have nothing good to say about this book. I tried to venture out into a new genre and this definitely wasn't my taste. I think it was pretty ridiculous. That is all.
Goodness! I left for 2 days to study for engineering graphics and this thread took a somersaut. Mochaspresso, you are the only one who has done nothing except for create more and more silly arguments. If you have nothing pleasant to say or you don't know how to be polite, kindly stay away from this thread.
Pilcrow wrote: "No amount of pushing this book on us is going to get us to like it. You guys are like annoying religious people: "Hey, have you heard the good news about TFIOS?" We have, and we still think it suck..."Agreed.
Aly wrote: "@Mochaespresso: Netbully? Don't like being stood up to? Are you fucking kidding me? You're being an obnoxious prick, picking on everything and everyone, making us feel bad for having an opinion, in..."I would suggest you to ignore Mochasspesso. She'll leave once she realises that not one is interested in arguing with her.
It's no Will Grayson Will Grayson...or Looking For Alaska, but I think there were parts that hit me and sparked some emotions that I don't get in a lot of YA books. I get why some people didn't like it though. I don't agree that some people are saying the dialogue between the teenagers was too witty for teenagers/sick teenagers. I think it's like people say about many comedians: they are hilarious and quick witted because they had to learn to be to hide a tragic past. And, seriously, in my friend group...the dialogue is insanely quick and rapid fire. References all over the place. Digs at each other. Digs sent back. That aspect didn't seem off the mark for me.
I do honestly wonder if a second read through would change my opinion, but I did enjoy it the first time through.
Mkay, so I'm going to get crackin on that list. As a disclaimer though, some of these books may not be the best, but they will all be better than TFIOS. In fact, I haven't read a cancer book, YA or otherwise, that is worse than TFIOS. Oh wait, I once read A Walk to Remember. That was definitely worse. But that's the only one I can think of.
Trace wrote: "Both biblical and secular sources advise to walk a mile in another's shoes before passing judgment on a fellow human being and his works, not just a blog or tweet post."I didn't like his book and since it's A BOOK I have rights to express my opinions over it and his tweets made me sick so yeah, I believe that I can speak against anything or anyone if they have offended me.
I despise the rude attitude of authors against the readers whenever we put up our criticism against a book.Authors should respect their readers.
At Aly in particular and others in general who agree with me that tfios is not a good book. That you think John Green has a rude attitude toward readers is the second point. The first point is that throughout these postings, you claim to never attack people and their opinions on a personal level, even to the point of calling someone a liar for saying you've done so. Yet, throughout these lists, you do attack personally. You've even low-roaded yourself to f-bombing in your posts. None of us here knows John Green well enough to pass personal judgment over him. And even though you've posted dozens of times here, a few sad and hypocritical as already pointed out, I certainly don't know enough to pass personal judgment about you. You do have the right to express your opinion, even "passionate hatred" of a book, and that you repeatedly do so is your decision on how you spend the time. But at least let your words take the high road even if you think others take the low road. And don't deny rendering personal attacks when your posts in this public forum show otherwise. Doing so only causes your other opinions to appear suspect. I agree, my opinion is that tfios is not a good book. As to John Green personally, he's a person on many levels (as we all are; a father, husband and a man who has not only reached extreme success in his work and passion, but also a man who has devoted his time, fame, and fortune to good, charitable deeds. Whatever single encounter you had with him, that's one encounter out of a man's lifetime, and you have no idea about his circumstances at the time. His tweet / post you point to - harmless, his opinions defending a friend, and none of us knows his circumstances at the time. Please, Aly, and others, keep to the high road and avoid making personal attacks. Don't judge others for their opinions as you wish not to be judged for your own.
Heather wrote: "It's not reeeally an opinion. "I like it" vs. "I hate it," is an opinion. "This is a bad book" vs. "this is a good book" is a fact that can be proved. It was a bad book. It wasn't well written. Whe..."I am sorry, but that is just incorrect. You can not "prove" wether a book is good or not.
If I learned anything in comparative literature, it's that you can't "meassure" literature. Statements about the quality and the merit of a book are ALWAYS subjective and never universally true.
The closest you can get to the truth is widespread consensus and if you would compare the number of people, who thought it was good, to the number of those who think it's a poorly written lame book, the former would be the majority (at least according to ratings)
I really liked the book, but some of your points did make sense. The thing is, it still appealed to me, despite the flaws. It stayed with me and I really, really felt for the characters. But hey! Everyone has a right to their own opinion, so I'm not too bothered by yours. I think you should maybe check out Looking for Alaska. That's a better John Green book, in my opinion. :)
Trace wrote: "At Aly in particular and others in general who agree with me that tfios is not a good book. That you think John Green has a rude attitude toward readers is the second point. The first point is that..."His tweets aren't harmless. Defending a friend by insulting thousands of other readers is not harmless. If he would've tweeted once, I would've ignored it but no, he tweeted FOUR TIMES. It gets better, HE AGREES that readers who criticise a book is "a howling pack". He would've been under some difficulty when he tweeted and attacked the readers but if that was so and if he were a good person, he would've apologised, but no he doesn't do that either. A lot of people give charity, giving charity automatically doesn't make you all angelic and awesome. I hate the way he called nerd-girls "resources" in one of his quotes.
"Nerd girls are the most underrated romantic resources"
What a jerk!
Ayesha wrote: "Goodness! I left for 2 days to study for engineering graphics and this thread took a somersaut. Mochaspresso, you are the only one who has done nothing except for create more and more silly argu..."That's actually not true at all. Silly arguments were already going on for an entire month before I got here.
I'm "causing arguments" only because I'm not parroting "I agree" to each and every one your's and Aly's posts.
(If this were the boys locker room, I'd probably refer to it as me not actively participating in the "circle jerk". See colloquial definition #3.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define...)
I don't have to agree with you to get along with you or to be able to post my opinions here in this thread just as you are doing. You can challenge my opinions (just as I did nothing but challenge yours) but you can't arbitrarily demand that I "fuck off and leave" because my or anyone else's opinion differs from yours. So no, as of right now, I am not going anywhere and I will not be silent when I see rudeness and netbullying going on.
...and if I'm blocked...so be it, I will create another account and be right back and I will keep coming back until that netbully foolishness stops. You don't want me calling you out, fine. Treat others the same way that you claim that you want to be treated and there wouldn't be any DISCUSSIONS here other than those about the book itself.
Mochaspresso wrote: "Ayesha wrote: "Goodness! I left for 2 days to study for engineering graphics and this thread took a somersaut. Mochaspresso, you are the only one who has done nothing except for create more and m..."Great! Hope you enjoy your time here.
Ayesha wrote: "Trace wrote: "At Aly in particular and others in general who agree with me that tfios is not a good book. That you think John Green has a rude attitude toward readers is the second point. The first..."This is not to create anther argument. I'm just pointing out the fact that you actually misquoted John Green and in doing so, potentially misrepresented what he actually meant when he said that.
This is what he actually said, in it's entirety...
“Nerd girls are the world’s most underutilized romantic resource. And guys, do not tell me that nerd girls are not hot because that shows a Paris Hilton-esque failure to understand hotness.”
― John Green
You are well within your right to not like something that he has said or tweeted....but in all fairness, I do think that you should at least quote him accurately when you challenge it. Especially if you are going to use it as a reason and justification to attack him personally.
Guys this is a website to share BOOKS if you want to have a fight don't do it on GOODREADS Ahahahahahahaha
Mochaspresso wrote: "Ayesha wrote: "Trace wrote: "At Aly in particular and others in general who agree with me that tfios is not a good book. That you think John Green has a rude attitude toward readers is the second p..."I saw that quote on tumblr as well as on fb. I can't help it when someone wrote down just the half of it. Besides, it doesn't change the fact that he called nerd girls "resources".
I have read some really bad books but I have never thrown it against a wall and had such hatred for it. I do wish I didn't spend my time on it and all. I also think its good your expressing your opinion because not everyone is into romance and stuff like that, which I am really into. But you know to each, his own. :)
Trace wrote: "At Aly in particular and others in general who agree with me that tfios is not a good book. That you think John Green has a rude attitude toward readers is the second point. The first point is that..."Trace, not to be a jerk, but you don't get to come here and tell us how we can hate this book. Any and all reasons are legitimate. If we hate this book because John Green's personality, which comes off as
arrogant and pretentious, is all over every trite metaphor and and contrived discussion, then that is valid. He puts himself all over the internet as it is, so there's no reason why his behavior toward fans - the good and the bad - should not be up for discussion.
I feel like the story was quite weak. although i did enjoy john greens writing style, but i don't think it was worth all of the hype surrounding it.
Trace wrote: "@Heather - wasn't directed at you. Don't know why you assumed."I didn't think it was directed at me. I just responded.
@Anna: See, that is the problem with comparative literature classes today, and honestly most of arts education. There is an assumption that good and bad is a matter of taste, but there IS real Beauty and real Good in any art form. It lives outside of whether or not we like it. You CAN measure literature. Statements about the quality of a book are not subjective. Now, I could enjoy a bad book, but it wouldn't make it a good book, just an enjoyable one for me. What I'm saying is, go back to your teacher and tell him (or her), he was wrong.
Ayesha wrote: "Trace wrote: "At Aly in particular and others in general who agree with me that tfios is not a good book. That you think John Green has a rude attitude toward readers is the second point. The first..."
Nerd girls? I'm insulted.
Nerd girls? I'm insulted.
So, here it is, y'all. If you have any more to add, lemme know. "Books on Cancer That Are Better Than 'The Fault in Our Stars'"
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/7...
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