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message 1951: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments Nicki wrote: "Also speaking of blogs, pet peeve of the day: I wish people would organise their blogs better. It's really frustrating when someone writes well, and has interesting content, but you have to rummage..."


Good point.


Ummm, could you check out my blog and let me know if I have that problem?


message 1952: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments Did yall know that Jim Butcher's sister does book critiques for unpublished authors?

http://jrbutcher.blogspot.com/
Query Critique and First Chapter (up to 20 pages) $50.00

First Three Chapters (up to 40 pages) $100.00

Entire Manuscript Critique $1.00 a page

Emergency Fee to Jump the Queue $50



message 1953: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments SO I was reading this article on the new Spider Woman and ran into this:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014...

Marvel has come under heavy fire over a cover for its forthcoming Spider-Woman series by an artist known primarily for his erotic art. The cover shows the superhero in what is being described as a "blatantly sexualised" pose, and "a prime example of why people continue to think superhero comics are for horny men only".

A variant cover for the first comic in the series by the artist Milo Manara, reputed for his erotic illustrations, was revealed by the news site Comic Book Resources earlier this week. The cover shows Jessica – according to publicity for the series, "a woman with a mission" who "just won't abide … being a target" – on all fours, in a skin-tight red outfit.



message 1954: by colleen the convivial curmudgeon, Not a book hipster! (new)

colleen the convivial curmudgeon (blackrose13) | 2976 comments Yeah, I saw that yesterday. Just when Marvel is getting lauded for being better than DC - whose said they can't do a WonderWoman movie because, ya know, female lead and shit - they turn around and do this.


message 1955: by Becky (new)

Becky (beckyofthe19and9) MrsJoseph wrote: "Did yall know that Jim Butcher's sister does book critiques for unpublished authors?

http://jrbutcher.blogspot.com/
Query Critique and First Chapter (up to 20 pages) $50.00

First Three Chapters ..."


That's cool... But her blog makes my eyes hurt. All that red. =\


message 1956: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments colleen the contrarian ± (... never stop fighting) ± wrote: "Yeah, I saw that yesterday. Just when Marvel is getting lauded for being better than DC - whose said they can't do a WonderWoman movie because, ya know, female lead and shit - they turn around and..."


Agreed


message 1957: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments Becky wrote: "MrsJoseph wrote: "Did yall know that Jim Butcher's sister does book critiques for unpublished authors?

http://jrbutcher.blogspot.com/
Query Critique and First Chapter (up to 20 pages) $50.00

Fir..."


yeah, I'm not a fan of all the red on white. Ouch!


message 1958: by Becky (new)

Becky (beckyofthe19and9) MrsJoseph wrote: "SO I was reading this article on the new Spider Woman and ran into this:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014...

Marvel has come under he..."


I mean, that's not really what I would call skin-tight... that's more what I would call painted on. Seriously, even skin tight clothes aren't going to show back dimples and ass cleavage in THAT much detail.

But that aside, how else are you supposed to climb up the side and over the top of a building other than how she is doing it? LOL


message 1959: by HomeInMyShoes (new)

HomeInMyShoes ^Haha. Designer she may be, but not a master of visual perception basics. Copy and paste as text only into Word and mark it as black on white.

@Marvel: and the buff guys in skin-tight suits are?

What we are seeing is the result of objectifying women for decades and centuries. It's just the one-up-manship down the path from the original pulp fiction covers. We've been selling sex since the beginning of advertising. If we want to change that we need to all vote with our choices and it's going to take longer than we are on the planet and probably longer than our kids and their kids. We can't undo generations of this stuff this year.


message 1960: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments Becky wrote: "But that aside, how else are you supposed to climb up the side and over the top of a building other than how she is doing it? LOL
"


Probably not "face down, ass up" with my crotch spread at such an...inviting angle. I've seen porn with legs more closed than that, lol.


message 1961: by Becky (new)

Becky (beckyofthe19and9) Pfft. That's how I climb over buildings! :P


message 1962: by colleen the convivial curmudgeon, Not a book hipster! (new)

colleen the convivial curmudgeon (blackrose13) | 2976 comments Not to mention it's just a bad picture in general. Her face is flat, and her hair apparently continues under her chin.


message 1963: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments Becky wrote: "Pfft. That's how I climb over buildings! :P"


lololol


message 1964: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments colleen the contrarian ± (... never stop fighting) ± wrote: "Not to mention it's just a bad picture in general. Her face is flat, and her hair apparently continues under her chin."

That's her spider's mane.

O_O


message 1965: by Becky (new)

Becky (beckyofthe19and9) MrsJoseph wrote: "colleen the contrarian ± (... never stop fighting) ± wrote: "Not to mention it's just a bad picture in general. Her face is flat, and her hair apparently continues under her chin."

That's her spider's mane."


LOL


message 1966: by colleen the convivial curmudgeon, Not a book hipster! (new)

colleen the convivial curmudgeon (blackrose13) | 2976 comments That's gonna give me nightmares now. Thanks. :P


message 1967: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments My job here is done. :)


message 1968: by Laurel (new)

Laurel The nerd in me wants to link this article.

http://www.themarysue.com/controversi...

A blogger and artist redraws unbelievable covers to make them anatomically functional, suitable to gravity, etc. It was quite interesting.


message 1969: by HomeInMyShoes (new)

HomeInMyShoes Spider's mane. That made me laugh.


message 1970: by Becky (new)

Becky (beckyofthe19and9) LOL Those comments are great:

Deborah Picher • 19 hours ago
I like the corrected version. It considers that women have organs and ribcages, I like that. I consider them important in my everyday life.

Shadowpsykie -> Deborah Picher • 19 hours ago
WHAT! I thought women were cobbled together via sorcery and science... i thought that they had no need of norma human consumption, thus the lack of organs and normal bone structure! have i been lied to?!?

JustPlainSomething -> Shadowpsykie • 13 hours ago
Look, I'm no scientist but I'm pretty sure women are made of exactly one rib and flesh. That's in the BIBLE.

Shadowpsykie -> JustPlainSomething • 13 hours ago
OMG! You are right! I can't belive I forgot that! *kneels down and begins self flagillation while reciting the lord's prayer in Latin*


message 1971: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments Soooo funny!

And the redraws...


message 1972: by colleen the convivial curmudgeon, Not a book hipster! (new)

colleen the convivial curmudgeon (blackrose13) | 2976 comments Becky wrote: "JustPlainSomething -> Shadowpsykie • 13 hours ago
Look, I'm no scientist but I'm pretty sure women are made of exactly one rib and flesh. That's in the BIBLE. "


That reminds me of when I was a kid in Catholic school, and I genuinely believed men had one less rib than women.


message 1973: by Mike (the Paladin) (last edited Aug 22, 2014 09:54AM) (new)

Mike (the Paladin) (thepaladin) | 1381 comments ...so, there's a problem with the cover art???????



?
O_O


message 1974: by HomeInMyShoes (new)

HomeInMyShoes I am totally reading those tonight.


message 1975: by Laurel (new)

Laurel I don't think the series has been released yet. Not a great way to start a launch aimed at pulling in more female comic book readers...


message 1976: by Laurel (last edited Aug 22, 2014 10:10AM) (new)

Laurel On a different note, I'm oddly intrigued by this story, but unsure if I should read the book when it's released.

http://www.themarysue.com/laura-ingal...

Too horrifying to find a publisher during Laura Ingalls Wilder's lifetime. Even with the success of her children's series, the memoir was shopped around for decades before anyone was willing to take a chance on the content?!?! What is in that memoir?!


message 1977: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments Laurel wrote: "On a different note, I'm oddly intrigued by this story, but unsure if I should read the book when it's released.

http://www.themarysue.com/laura-ingal...

Too horrifying..."




O_O

My cousin is going to be heart broken.


message 1978: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments Bacon Bike!!

Bacon-fueled motorcycle makes cross-country trip
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/...


message 1979: by HomeInMyShoes (new)

HomeInMyShoes ^The cynic in me is screaming marketing schtick.


message 1980: by Leland (new)

Leland (lelandhw) | 63 comments colleen the contrarian ± (... never stop fighting) ± wrote: "Not to mention it's just a bad picture in general. Her face is flat, and her hair apparently continues under her chin."

lol, Well clearly the focal point is supposed to be the ass cleavage. The artist doesn't intend you to actually look at her face. In fact, she may as well not have one. After all, isn't that all a woman is? Breats-Ass-Vagina?

P.S. for anyone who doesn't know me, I am merely attempting to point out how ludicrous this level of objectification of women is.


message 1981: by Leland (new)

Leland (lelandhw) | 63 comments MrsJoseph wrote: "That's her spider's mane...."

A.....what....?


message 1982: by HomeInMyShoes (new)

HomeInMyShoes Today must be comic fail day.

Daphne's Curse


message 1983: by Mike (the Paladin) (new)

Mike (the Paladin) (thepaladin) | 1381 comments There are some things that bug me about that...no joke coming here. The last lines express the opinion that "the worst" message sent has to do with Fred not noticing the change so much as she always looks good to him.

Daphune's self esteem would not depend on that. But it would speak to Fred's attitude and reality.

My wife had thyroid problems and later diabetes, she got very heavy and I didn't leave her...or stop loving her. Her self esteem took a beating from "other people" and all I did was try to help her see she was more than a size.

This country is too caught up in appearances.


message 1984: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments Mike (the Paladin) wrote: "My wife had thyroid problems and later diabetes, she got very heavy and I didn't leave her...or stop loving her. Her self esteem took a beating from "other people" and all I did was try to help her see she was more than a size.

This country is too caught up in appearances. "


My grandma is into appearances. She has always had a problem with how I look, even when I was young. Something was always either too big or not big enough or perfect enough.

I have a roundish face and I always have. Even when I'm thin my face is a little round. Right now I'm not as thin as when I was a kid...so I have what can look like a slight double chin.

OMG. This drives my grandmother CRAZY. She wants me to exercise my jaw to thin out my chin. She tells me, "When I was your age I had the thinnest chin around."

O_O

Thinnest. Chin.

Once - when grandma was hounding me about something (I think it was my butt) my aunt comes in and apparently had heard more than enough. She stormed into the room and interrupted grandma (which almost never happens) and told her, "Does any of that make a difference?? She's still the same person and we still love her. So what if she never becomes a model?? That's never going to change how I feel."

I swear, just writing that brings tears to my eyes. And when I get down on myself I try to think about that moment.


message 1985: by Mike (the Paladin) (new)

Mike (the Paladin) (thepaladin) | 1381 comments Don't let what others say get you down. I've only seen one picture of you (here) but I know you. Even if I don't know what you look like I know you're a beautiful person...and I'm sure your husband feels the same way.


message 1986: by Laurel (new)

Laurel I agree with Mike wholeheartedly!


message 1987: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments Thank you. :-D


message 1988: by Laurel (new)

Laurel I won't link the article, as it made me so angry my boyfriend had to take the ipad away from me, but...

The artist who drew the variant cover for the upcoming Spider-Woman series responded. He was interviewed for an Italian blog, (I think). The Mary-Sue used an online translater and the basic gist was this... He does many of the typical things. He believes women would find his cover sexy, doesn't understand why people are worried about his images when there are other things to talk about like Ferguson, Ebola, etc. This isn't the most erotic thing he has ever drawn, its the same art he's been doing for forty years, blah blah blah. My head wanted to explode!

However, the reason I'm going to try the comic when it comes out is a) Jessica Drew is an awesome character and b) the actual writer responded on twitter saying that he has no control over the covers, he agrees it is not the best and hopes that people will look past it to give the comic a try. Brave and cool!

I then looked at a photo of a dancing Groot funko to cheer myself up. SIGH! Much happier!


message 1989: by Leland (new)

Leland (lelandhw) | 63 comments Dancing Groot for the WIN!


message 1990: by Laurel (new)

Laurel He is the best :D


message 1991: by Mike (the Paladin) (new)

Mike (the Paladin) (thepaladin) | 1381 comments I de-friended a guy today. He sent the request some time ago but I didn't take any action as he had like 1 book rated and was writer who was like, "I'd appreciate you reviewing my books".

But...I finally went ahead and okayed it. Within the hour he sent me a book link. So...I dropped him. I get so many of those. I'm getting hypersensitive to anyone in any group who starts to tell us about their book.


message 1992: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments Mike (the Paladin) wrote: "I de-friended a guy today. He sent the request some time ago but I didn't take any action as he had like 1 book rated and was writer who was like, "I'd appreciate you reviewing my books".

But...I..."


I do the same thing. I also keep people who look like authors in limbo for some time.


message 1993: by Mike (the Paladin) (new)

Mike (the Paladin) (thepaladin) | 1381 comments I guess I can see their desire for recognition, but when they don't participate here except for what they can get it's just....sad.


message 1994: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments Mike (the Paladin) wrote: "I guess I can see their desire for recognition, but when they don't participate here except for what they can get it's just....sad."

Yeah. And annoying. :(


message 1995: by Becky (new)

Becky (beckyofthe19and9) I have been requested to knit a voodoo doll.




message 1996: by Mike (the Paladin) (new)

Mike (the Paladin) (thepaladin) | 1381 comments I thought they were made of wax????


message 1997: by colleen the convivial curmudgeon, Not a book hipster! (new)

colleen the convivial curmudgeon (blackrose13) | 2976 comments All the Voodoo dolls I've seen have been made out of fabric.


message 1998: by Mike (the Paladin) (new)

Mike (the Paladin) (thepaladin) | 1381 comments Huh...learn something new every day.


message 1999: by MrsJoseph *grouchy*, Bad Girls Deadlift (new)

MrsJoseph *grouchy* (mrsjoseph) | 5312 comments Becky wrote: "I have been requested to knit a voodoo doll.

"


O_O


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