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I wish that YA novels were more about strong and independant people instead of love sick puppies!

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message 1: by Victoria (last edited Nov 11, 2013 01:44PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Victoria I can't be the only one?
We all know the layout - Outcast girl meets a boy who used to be bad but is now good (uless it's to protect said girl). I mean why can't it be about overcoming important stuff? No one meet the love of their life at 16 anyway!

So I guess my questions is - any good YA books that have substance?


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Divergent (Divergent, #1) by Veronica Roth Clockwork Prince (The Infernal Devices, #2) by Cassandra Clare Graceling (Graceling Realm, #1) by Kristin Cashore Shadow and Bone (The Grisha, #1) by Leigh Bardugo Throne of Glass (Throne of Glass, #1) by Sarah J. Maas Gone (Gone, #1) by Michael Grant Confessions of a Murder Suspect (Confessions, #1) by James Patterson The Alchemy of Forever (Incarnation, #1) by Avery Williams Legend (Legend, #1) by Marie Lu Virals (Virals, #1) by Kathy Reichs Daughter of Smoke & Bone (Daughter of Smoke & Bone, #1) by Laini Taylor

Sure, they have their love interests, but these books have strong female characters. They aren't "love sick puppies". And a lot of people do meet the love of their life at 16, maybe even younger. Most people don't know it yet--lots of people marry their old childhood friend! The books I listed are not just about meeting boys. They're about friendship, strength, etc.


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Robert Victoria,

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Aline I agree that a lot of the caracthers are strong and tbere is a lot about friendship too not just love. Usually the girls are reLly courageous and persistent. And some people don't meet tbe love of their life at 16 , but I met mine at 17 and we are together for 17 more lol


message 5: by L (new) - rated it 5 stars

L Aline wrote: "I agree that a lot of the caracthers are strong and tbere is a lot about friendship too not just love. Usually the girls are reLly courageous and persistent. And some people don't meet tbe love of..."

Awwwww! ;D Cute!


chinami there are good YA focusing on strong characters.but in comparison with most books they are in the minority.finding them is the hard part.


Ninja_Narwhal~{Same O'l Popsgrub}~ This generation loves yolo, swag, and violence and a love triangle


chinami Popsgrub wrote: "This generation loves yolo, swag, and violence and a love triangle"

agree


Gerriane Totally agree with you! I've always wondered why many YA books are always so focused on the romance that the rest of the plot is left in the shadows. Anyways, here are a few that I liked a lot, since they focused on the characters strengths and weaknesses rather than the romance (although that's there too).

Melina Marchetta:
Saving Francesca by Melina Marchetta
On the Jellicoe Road by Melina Marchetta
The Piper's Son by Melina Marchetta
Looking for Alibrandi by Melina Marchetta

Other YA books to give a shot:
Good Oil by Laura Buzo
The Disreputable History of Frankie Landau-Banks by E. Lockhart
Unwind (Unwind, #1) by Neal Shusterman
The Thief (The Queen's Thief, #1) by Megan Whalen Turner (this one has little to no romance and focuses a lot on the cunning MC)


Hmmm, I don't think these are YA, but they've got substance, I assure you.
Hoot by Carl Hiaasen Holes (Holes, #1) by Louis Sachar The Westing Game by Ellen Raskin The Book Thief by Markus Zusak


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Honey I know what you mean.


Victoria Thanks for all the ideas you guys! I will have reading material to last me for months here! :)


Victoria Veronica wrote: "Popsgrub wrote: "This generation loves yolo, swag, and violence and a love triangle"

agree"


Veronica wrote: "Popsgrub wrote: "This generation loves yolo, swag, and violence and a love triangle"

agree"


It's not that I mind the romance I just don't like it to be the main thing. There are so many things in life that are great and having a significant other isn't the most important thing.
I have a sister who is 13 and just got her first boyfriend and now that the most important thing in life. Not her friends, not school but a boy. It's been drilled into our heads from childhood through movies, books and even toys. Let's focus on ambition and intellgence please :)


message 13: by Alva (new) - rated it 5 stars

Alva Victoria wrote: It's been drilled into our heads from childhood through movies, books and even toys. Let's focus on ambition and intellgence please :)

Amen, sister!


message 14: by Abby (new) - rated it 5 stars

Abby Snow Thank you people
The ya fiction ladies are not Mary sues


message 15: by Abby (new) - rated it 5 stars

Abby Snow Thank you people
The ya fiction ladies are not Mary sues


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I mean it's nice an all to have that special someone, but girls--anyone--should also care about their dreams. What they want to do in life. There are many times people give up stuff they want to achieve because they don't want to leave said person.

I know a chick who was number five in her high school class, ready to go to collage, but dropped everything just to stay with this guy who was going nowhere in his life. A few years she stayed with him but she wised up and left him and went back to school and is now doing better with her life.

There's nothing wrong with love, but know one thing. You only have one life. Live it for yourself because it only one you've got.


Mariana I really like The Luxe series.


chinami Victoria wrote: "Veronica wrote: "Popsgrub wrote: "This generation loves yolo, swag, and violence and a love triangle"

agree"

Veronica wrote: "Popsgrub wrote: "This generation loves yolo, swag, and violence and a..."


beautiful. intellectual aristocracy. i like it


chinami i always look for heroines who like to achieve academically, but they become too hot and bothered by guys, intense love,cheer leading and stupid gossip. its not inspiring.also they happen to be escapists who do not want to challenge and confront anything. they simply hide behind some cute guy.

Blood Promise (Vampire Academy, #4) by Richelle Mead The Indigo Spell (Bloodlines, #3) by Richelle Mead i find the main character in both books to be girls with spunk.


message 20: by Paige (last edited Nov 20, 2013 05:13AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Paige Yin there are a few good example I can think of which features strong female characters.
Divergent (Divergent, #1) by Veronica Roth Trilogy; for the fact that Tris values her family and love ones over love - aka Four. she is just so brave in her choices in Allegiance I think I will never forget a character like her.


Uglies (Uglies, #1) by Scott Westerfeld Trilogy; Tally Youngblood lost so much yet she is still fighting. Many would say she is not a strong character, but she's as strong as a character could be given the situations where she has her brain being meddled so many times...

Vampire Academy (Vampire Academy, #1) by Richelle Mead series; Rose Hathaway, the most badass heroin in YA history, and she values her friendship with Lissa over love.

Clockwork Angel (The Infernal Devices, #1) by Cassandra Clare trilogy; Tessa Grey, who was from a lost little girl, she grown into a strong lady throughout the series.

The Lightning Thief (Percy Jackson and the Olympians, #1) by Rick Riordan ; Annabeth is another kickass heroin, she's smart, she's funny too. xD


chinami Toxic (Denazen, #2) by Jus Accardo deznee
Shadowland (The Mediator, #1) by Meg Cabot suzanne
The Diviners (The Diviners, #1) by Libba Bray evie
The Faerie Ring (The Faerie Ring, #1) by Kiki Hamilton tara
Legend (Legend, #1) by Marie Lu june


Tamara Thanks for the suggestions guys! There a few books here I havent read yet but I'm definitely gonna check them out.Its so hard to find strong and independant characers these days :(


Victoria I'm a huge fan of the VA and Bloodlines books Sydney and Rose are kick ass!


message 24: by Swati (last edited Nov 21, 2013 06:31AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Swati Yes i really love such books....
Angelfall (Penryn & the End of Days, #1) by Susan Ee
and also its next book is even more amazing
World After (Penryn & the End of Days, #2) by Susan Ee
Raffe <3<3


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Angel fall Penryn is a badass.


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The Poison Study series is good too.


message 27: by Swati (last edited Nov 21, 2013 07:18AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Swati Crimson wrote: "Angel fall Penryn is a badass."
But still she is strong


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Humera I totally agree! Katniss Everdeen is an example to every women, perfect role model. Only THG trilogy I've read, need to read more soon!


Paige Yin Humera wrote: "I totally agree! Katniss Everdeen is an example to every women, perfect role model. Only THG trilogy I've read, need to read more soon!"

I don't like the ending for THG, Katniss still kickass though <3


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Humera Paige wrote: "I don't like the ending for THG, Katniss still kickass though <3"

It was a bit disappointing but yeaah she is :)


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