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I totally agree with you on both points. One other thing I don't like is in some of the books how they "die" in the day time and someone will sleep next to them that kind of creeps me out. I'm fine with the whole you go in your coffin I'll wait here in bed thing. LoL
yes to lusty dirty vampire sucking::yes to sleeping next to the vampire so long as they've been doing the lusty stuff and there's black linen sheets:: candle light:: lots of it and velvet curtains to block out that daylight ::coffins big no no with me::whats the thing/attraction about sleeping in your coffin::some vamps like garlic thats good with me::god even the sparklie bit in twilight was good for me::hard cold bodies like marble are a no no for me::a real no no eek::all that blood they drink why would they have rigga bodies?::
LOL. I agree, no coffins or cold bodies. Yes to the biting, LOL.
I like Lynsay Sands explanation of how her vampires became vampires. They are actually Atlanteans whose nano technology worked too well to heal them. The theory is that just the process of living/aging causes damage to their bodies so they nanos are always working and using up blood cells, therefore they need to drink blood to replace what's being used to keep them in prime condition. I thought that was a clever twist.I like the hard, cold, marble bodies! I like sensual bite as well. I usually like the telepathy too.
I hate when they turn into Bats. love the sexual bites and I like vamps that don't "die" come sunlight but can be up and about just can't go out in the sun.Melissa- I enjoy Lynsays twist to her vamps as well.
To be honest, I can't actually think of a series where this is the case (if you can think of one, let me know) but I don't like when the vampires can go out in the sun. Seems like I may have read someone else's opinion on this in a different thread, but it makes the playing field too un-level. (Hey, I made up a word!) Melissa, I have to disagree about the telepathy. Mind reading has always bothered me because I for one have a mind that tends to go all over the place, no holds barred, and the idea that someone else could read my mind freaks me out. It would be very embarrassing.
And they always talk about how they can train themselves to be careful or keep their minds blank - I cannot do that. I have never been able to empty my thoughts or clear my mind or control what I think about. I would hate to be around someone that could read minds (nor have I ever had any desire to read anyone else's mind) so reading about it in books always makes me just a smidge uncomfortable.
Actually Lynsay vamps can go out in the sun they just have to drink more blood to replenish the nanos that are damaged during the exposure.
Yes, I've read vampires that can go out in the sun with limitations, either only for a short period of time, drugs, indirect light, etc.
Nichole - I guess I was thinking more of the speaking with each other without actually talking. I like when they can communicate with their minds over distances. I like when as lovers, they can feel in their mind what their mate is feeling.
I actually haven't seen that many vampires with mental powers and whatnot. Do you mean the Lynsay Sands books, Melissa?
Lynsay do have the power to control people and other vamps just not their mate which is way they are mated but they tend to feel what their mate is feeling. I can't remember if they communicate without speaking.
Melissa wrote: "Nichole - I guess I was thinking more of the speaking with each other without actually talking. I like when they can communicate with their minds over distances. I like when as lovers, they can feel in their mind what their mate is feeling."Ahhh - I do like that. "Double your pleasure, double your fun..." :)
I read two of Lynsay Sands' books over a year ago, but I do remember that. All the vampires can mind read, and they know their mate because it's the one person they can't hear. Which was one of the things I didn't like about that series - I didn't like the idea that you would just immediately know who your mate was. Where's the romance in that?
It seems like mental powers are all over the place in PNR, but now that you mention it, n_u, I can't think of any specific examples! The vamps in the Adrian Phoenix books can talk to each other, and as I recall after sharing blood Dante was able to talk to Heather as well...
And V from the BDB can read minds.
And of course, Edward from Twilight.
But yeah, I know what Melissa's talking about - where they can either read each other's minds or feel each other's emotions so sex becomes like this endless feedback loop where they're feeling what they're feeling but also what the other's feeling and it never ends. Why can't I think of a specific book where that happened?
I just finished up a demon book (My Wicked Enemy) where there was that mental feedback loop. To be honest, I don't really care for it. I really like the mental powers stuff, except where it becomes tangled. Then it gets silly. "I felt him get excited and then I got excited because he was excited and then he got excited because I got excited..." I'm just like, gimme a break. LOL.I haven't seen many instances of the mental thing with vampires though, outside of the examples you mentioned, Nichole.
Again Lynsay has that where the mated pair share each other excitment and needs during. In the begining the mated pair actually pass out from sex because it's so intense. Lol it's actually why I like this series.
LOL. As long as it's done right, Jael. ;)
Lol it's done very well. I've experienced it once so I know.;)
Feehan's Carpathians. Some of Jeaniene Frosts vamps can read minds. There is a watcher series by Lilith Saintcrow who have these mind reading powers and it was cool. Most of what I've read have the vamps having some kind of mental communication power. Kind of like werewolves in a pack can communicate with each other in their minds. I'm thinking maybe Mary Janice Davidson's Betsy series and Katie MacAlister's Dark Ones series. Sometimes, it's just a few that have this "special" power like Edward in Twilight. I just think it's cool when words aren't necessary in some of the passionate situations or when the truth can't be hidden in the suspenseful situations.
I'm not a big fan of vampires in romance novels. I miss the old days when vampires were cold monestrous corpses (wait, this goes back to my zombie romance fetish, doesn't it?)I would love to see a real Otherkin vampire story though, that would be interesting...
Christy, wrong genre? LOL. That's horror. ;P I like the telepathy between wolves, that's pretty cool.
Why can't one fall in love with a corpse?I say, it CAN be romantic...
I think vampires should stay out of the sun. That's one of the oldest beliefs about vampires. Although I don't like that they have to be in a coffin. I figure as long as they stay out of direct sunlight they would be okay. I like Laurell K. Hamilton's theories on them. Then again I may be partial since I'm as huge fan. The only think I don't like is why the bite always seems to be sexual. I think that should be a special talent or something.
I love the writing contortions to get past the fact that one main character is dead and will have to kill the other main character in order to reach a HEA. A well-built mythology that MAKES me believe is my greatest pleasure in PNR.One of the reasons I like Jeri Smith-Ready's vamp series is that the heroine has to deal with not wanting to be bitten even though her boyfriend is a vamp. Ah, conflict :)
LOL. Conflict is good. I actually like it when the vampires are not dead but another species though. That kind of takes the "ew, necrophilia" aspect out of it. xD
Jessa wrote: "I love the writing contortions to get past the fact that one main character is dead and will have to kill the other main character in order to reach a HEA. A well-built mythology that MAKES me believe is my greatest pleasure in PNR."Add that to the reasons I prefer urban fantasy. That almost seems like a cop out to me. Why can't they have a HEA with each of them being something different?
mlady_rebecca wrote: "Add that to the reasons I prefer urban fantasy. That almost seems like a cop out to me. Why can't they have a HEA with each of them being something different?"Well, I agree with you, but one partner's immortality is kind of a relationship hurdle, you must admit. :)
Nichole wrote: "Well, I agree with you, but one partner's immortality is kind of a relationship hurdle, you must admit. :) "See, I'm a sucker for being willing to grow old with your lover, even if they don't age. It's a more bittersweet love, but it's still love. The movie "Highlander" would be the first example to come to mind.
mlady_rebecca wrote: "See, I'm a sucker for being willing to grow old with your lover, even if they don't age. It's a more bittersweet love, but it's still love. The movie "Highlander" would be the first example to come to mind."Okay, I'll confess, I've never seen Highlander. (Gasp!)
I for one am a fan of the rare but sometimes seen story where the immortal becomes mortal for their love and not the other way around. (I can think of one or two examples, but I can't say because I don't want to spoil those books for anyone.)
But I can't see how one staying immortal and the other one continuing to grow old would work. It would suck for both parties; one has to watch their love grow old and die, and the other has to get all old and gross while their love stays young and beautiful. Lose/lose, if you ask me. This is why Buffy and Angel broke up, right?
you know thats the only scene i remember really well from highlander::it was dreadful::all the girls watching it just welled up with tears::
Buffy and Angel broke up because they couldn't truly be together without Angel turning evil and they both had a destiny that was bigger than their love. Angel was doing as much good for people in order to redeem himself and Buffy is the "chosen one" so it wasn't going to work. Not that I think they shouldn't have tried a little harder!
Agree with you, Nichole. I can't see that as a satisfactory ending.
Yeah I think Angel turned into Angelus everytime he had sex with someone he loved.
Nichole wrote: "mlady_rebecca wrote: "I for one am a fan of the rare but sometimes seen story where the immortal becomes mortal for their love and not the other way around."Sherrilyn Kenyon ("Dark-Hunter" series) is very good about not doing the same thing every time when it comes to who changes in the end, or if anyone changes at all.
But I can't see how one staying immortal and the other one continuing to grow old would work. It would suck for both parties; one has to watch their love grow old and die, and the other has to get all old and gross while their love stays young and beautiful. Lose/lose, if you ask me.
I think it shows a deeper love. One that isn't always sunny days. For the mortal partner, it's knowing you'll never be without them, and they'll go on and remember you after you're gone. For the immortal partner, it's enjoying every minute of your partner's life, valuing it for how brief and precious it is. It's heartbreaking, but it's beautiful and more real.
I like the Vampires that can't be in the sun most times. For example when their human mate is in danger. Although it does make it more exciting. I love the bite being sexual. That is really hot. new_user I totally agree with you about the necrophilia issue. Yuck...just yuck. I've read a few of Lynsay Sands books and I like that they are different vampires. Especially that passing out thing.:D Also Lynn Viehl's vamps are different.
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LOL. Yeah, but it's not what I want to read when I'm reading romance, if you catch my meaning. xD
no i'm not keen on the idea either::infact if it was in a *romance* i don't care how flippin' good the book was i wouldnt read it::it maybe true love but it's desparatly sad::and::*romance* as a genre has to have a hea::if the story was in uf::then i don't think i'd mind::b/c the story is totally different::
Ann wrote: "on the "one growing old while the other stays young" thing. Patricia Briggs has that problem with her werewolves. The weres are usually not willing to turn their loves because the turning is so h..."Yes, that's it exactly. *g*
i think the problem is the constraints imposed by the genre::romance has to have a hea::publishers will not publish unless this is so::b/c it's what readers expect::so if you want the mortal/immortal relationship the story has to go into another genre::
Well, I don't necessarily think it has to go to another genre. I think it can still be considered an HEA, if they end up together at the end and spend their lives together. (Or one of their lives.) It just is kind of bittersweet, and of all the things I have to suspend disbelief for in this genre, that's just one I can't seem to wrap my head around. My mind just sort of screams "But it can't work!" I don't know, I just don't like it.On another note, I just finished reading Karen Chance's Cassie Palmer series and started the first book in her other/spinoff series about Dorina Basarab. I love these books, but I have one gripe about her vampire mythology. The vamps in her books don't have to bite to feed. They can just sort of absorb blood molecules through the air, or from skin to skin contact like shaking hands. I don't like it. It seems like cheating to me.
vamps without fangs::um::doesn't sound right to me::part of the fun is bite and suck::
They do have fangs and can feed the normal way, they just don't have to and it's not considered "PC". I agree with you - all the fun is in the biting!
LOL, Nichole. I think the purpose to that is sort of to lend the actual act, when it takes place as it inevitably will with the h/h, more power. I've read other series where the vampires are supposed to feed from stored blood, but as they enjoy fresh best, naturally they like it best when they're breaking the rules. ;) I don't mind as long as they don't do away with the fangs and biting altogether. LOL.
The whole bad image, vampy thing is really hot to me.However, I was recently reading a series by Sara Reinke; her vamps did some kinda freaky thing when they were in blood lust. Their jaws unhinged and you could hear their bones popping out of joint... that kinda kills the mood for me. I mean seriously!!!
Loved the books but that little thing was a little freaky.
Kimberly wrote: "The whole bad image, vampy thing is really hot to me.However, I was recently reading a series by Sara Reinke; her vamps did some kinda freaky thing when they were in blood lust. Their jaws unhin..."
I can see how that would be a mood killer. YUCK!
My favourite is when vampire bites are sexually charged, where it becomes an erotic occasion for biter and bitee :) (I have a sick mind..)
Most hated is the sparkly vampire bit from the Twilight series. Don't get me wrong, I still love the series..but the diamonds thing was a little bit much for me.
How about you??